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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12680</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://canfli.org has a complete list, geekboy@kazaa is prolly the most well known out of the bunch though (easy to remember)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://canfli.org" rel="nofollow">http://canfli.org</a> has a complete list, <a href="mailto:geekboy@kazaa">geekboy@kazaa</a> is prolly the most well known out of the bunch though (easy to remember)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12626</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12626</guid>
		<description>I want to make sure that everyone reading this important article knows about http://CANFLI.org (Canadian Filesharing Legal Information network) which is a site run by Canadian law students to inform others about legal issues around filesharing.  There is also the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic http://cippic.ca which is a group of law students, law professors and lawyers who have been involved in this issue to the level of representing our rights in court.

I also want those who think that "the government listens to those with money" to realize that this attitude is self-fulfilling.  When people don't believe they have power, and say nothing to government, they are correct.

Canada is about to head into an election.  There will be a large amount of election related and per-riding discussion areas on http://digital-copyright.ca .  If you believe this is an important issue to you then put your time where your heart is and get involved in our lobbying efforts.

Russell McOrmond - http://flora.ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to make sure that everyone reading this important article knows about <a href="http://CANFLI.org" rel="nofollow">http://CANFLI.org</a> (Canadian Filesharing Legal Information network) which is a site run by Canadian law students to inform others about legal issues around filesharing.  There is also the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic <a href="http://cippic.ca" rel="nofollow">http://cippic.ca</a> which is a group of law students, law professors and lawyers who have been involved in this issue to the level of representing our rights in court.</p>
<p>I also want those who think that &#8220;the government listens to those with money&#8221; to realize that this attitude is self-fulfilling.  When people don&#8217;t believe they have power, and say nothing to government, they are correct.</p>
<p>Canada is about to head into an election.  There will be a large amount of election related and per-riding discussion areas on <a href="http://digital-copyright.ca" rel="nofollow">http://digital-copyright.ca</a> .  If you believe this is an important issue to you then put your time where your heart is and get involved in our lobbying efforts.</p>
<p>Russell McOrmond - <a href="http://flora.ca" rel="nofollow">http://flora.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12624</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 18:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12624</guid>
		<description>So what are these 29 psuedonyms anyway?</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12606</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12606</guid>
		<description>Sorry, but it's true. :(
Government works for whoever has the most money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but it&#8217;s true. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Government works for whoever has the most money.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12575</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12575</guid>
		<description>Iam sorry. The article about how the national anthems are licensed by BMI was written by me, Rafael Venegas.
rafa@venegas@hotmail.com </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iam sorry. The article about how the national anthems are licensed by BMI was written by me, Rafael Venegas.<br />
<a href="mailto:rafa@venegas@hotmail.com">rafa@venegas@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12573</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12573</guid>
		<description>Maybe the cartel should be looking at itself more closely and clean up  their act instead of criminilizing youth for sharing music. What the cartel does is really big time crime. Jusr read on. 

After reading an complaint article of a Mexican web log, how their anthem wa "owned" in the U.S.A,  I investigated a litle and came up with this.

BMI (a major American licensor of copyrights on behalf of the copyright owners) licenses 24 latin american national anthems says it all. This can be verified at http://www.bmi.com. 18 of these national anthems appear as composed by a single composer, a musical genius known as Ricardo Romero. A title search for "himno nacional" at http://www.bmi.com will show the latin american licensed anthems.

The American national anthem, The Star Spangled Banner too is licensed by BMI. For other countires I did not check but I imagines that their national anthems are also owned by someone and are also licensed through BMI or someone else.

Now, if natinal anthems of countries can be owned and exploited by someone in the U.S.A., why not the ancient scriptures or the Bible? After all we do not know for sure what Greek and Roman commom laws said about copyrights and anyway, they did not apply to the U.S.A.

By the way, BMI licenses the national anthems of the latin american countries in the countries of the anthems through partnership organization in those countries. For example, the BMI repertoire of songs, wich included the Mexican anthem, is licensed in Mexico through a BMI partner (SACM) organization in Mexico. Some Mexican think their anthem was stolen by the Americans. In Mexico the anthem is in public domain because the last author died in 1908 and because of a national anthem law.

This is the good neighbor policy gone berserk, through the copyright system. Copyrights were suposed to be to promote the creation of artistic works but is mostly promoting theft.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the cartel should be looking at itself more closely and clean up  their act instead of criminilizing youth for sharing music. What the cartel does is really big time crime. Jusr read on. </p>
<p>After reading an complaint article of a Mexican web log, how their anthem wa &#8220;owned&#8221; in the U.S.A,  I investigated a litle and came up with this.</p>
<p>BMI (a major American licensor of copyrights on behalf of the copyright owners) licenses 24 latin american national anthems says it all. This can be verified at <a href="http://www.bmi.com." rel="nofollow">http://www.bmi.com.</a> 18 of these national anthems appear as composed by a single composer, a musical genius known as Ricardo Romero. A title search for &#8220;himno nacional&#8221; at <a href="http://www.bmi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmi.com</a> will show the latin american licensed anthems.</p>
<p>The American national anthem, The Star Spangled Banner too is licensed by BMI. For other countires I did not check but I imagines that their national anthems are also owned by someone and are also licensed through BMI or someone else.</p>
<p>Now, if natinal anthems of countries can be owned and exploited by someone in the U.S.A., why not the ancient scriptures or the Bible? After all we do not know for sure what Greek and Roman commom laws said about copyrights and anyway, they did not apply to the U.S.A.</p>
<p>By the way, BMI licenses the national anthems of the latin american countries in the countries of the anthems through partnership organization in those countries. For example, the BMI repertoire of songs, wich included the Mexican anthem, is licensed in Mexico through a BMI partner (SACM) organization in Mexico. Some Mexican think their anthem was stolen by the Americans. In Mexico the anthem is in public domain because the last author died in 1908 and because of a national anthem law.</p>
<p>This is the good neighbor policy gone berserk, through the copyright system. Copyrights were suposed to be to promote the creation of artistic works but is mostly promoting theft.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12569</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12569</guid>
		<description>I must agree and say that Canada should not be tainted by the greedy money mongers in America.  Canada stand up for what you  believe in and don't let greedy rich people control what you listen to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must agree and say that Canada should not be tainted by the greedy money mongers in America.  Canada stand up for what you  believe in and don&#8217;t let greedy rich people control what you listen to.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12564</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12564</guid>
		<description>erm why would levies matter? The case surrounded the file sharers making their media available to everyone else. This is about geekboy@kluzaa (and 28 others) uploading their copy of twisted sister to other users. This wasn't about geekboy@kluzaa downloading twisted sister for his own use. So why would the levy matter in this case? The levy was/is for compensation for downloading NOT uploading. Dowbloading and uploading are covered by 2 seperate sections in the Act. Even the legal experts weren't able to agree on whether uploading was legal in Canada but all agreed on downloading.  

I highly doubt CRIA will win round 2 based on the evidence they presented to the court first time around. In Canada you need a "copyright certificate" as evidence of ownership and it needs to be presented to the court as part of the case, they didn't present any. In fact Media Sentry which was hired to monitor p2p traffic didn't listen to a single file. So who knows what was on those 350+ files that geekboy@kluzaa (and others shared) did they even infringe on someones copyright? We don't know. Media Sentry also got one of the IP's wrong - either Shaw or Rogers (can't remember which ISP off the top of my head) pointed out that one of their IP's wasn't even being used at the time Media Sentry said it was .... ooops!

In short crappy case, crappy evidence, crappy lawyers = failure. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erm why would levies matter? The case surrounded the file sharers making their media available to everyone else. This is about <a href="mailto:geekboy@kluzaa">geekboy@kluzaa</a> (and 28 others) uploading their copy of twisted sister to other users. This wasn&#8217;t about <a href="mailto:geekboy@kluzaa">geekboy@kluzaa</a> downloading twisted sister for his own use. So why would the levy matter in this case? The levy was/is for compensation for downloading NOT uploading. Dowbloading and uploading are covered by 2 seperate sections in the Act. Even the legal experts weren&#8217;t able to agree on whether uploading was legal in Canada but all agreed on downloading.  </p>
<p>I highly doubt CRIA will win round 2 based on the evidence they presented to the court first time around. In Canada you need a &#8220;copyright certificate&#8221; as evidence of ownership and it needs to be presented to the court as part of the case, they didn&#8217;t present any. In fact Media Sentry which was hired to monitor p2p traffic didn&#8217;t listen to a single file. So who knows what was on those 350+ files that <a href="mailto:geekboy@kluzaa">geekboy@kluzaa</a> (and others shared) did they even infringe on someones copyright? We don&#8217;t know. Media Sentry also got one of the IP&#8217;s wrong - either Shaw or Rogers (can&#8217;t remember which ISP off the top of my head) pointed out that one of their IP&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t even being used at the time Media Sentry said it was &#8230;. ooops!</p>
<p>In short crappy case, crappy evidence, crappy lawyers = failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12532</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12532</guid>
		<description>Yes, Yes, and Yes.  Also regularly forward info from this site and others to friends/family, etc.....

The reason we ask for help, is due to the $$$ and clout that corporations weild in the modern political arena.  IMHO, politicians here regularly ignore the citizenry, in favour of those with deep pockets.

(Hence we have AdScam, where they lined their pockets with our own money, using money-laundering techniques)

Also, mainstream media needs to be rallied, and Globe and Mail surely doesn't care much about a few petitions.  They are submitted for a multitude of reasons every day.

Look at the farmer protests, look at the G7/G8 protests.  Nobody cares.m  They aren't lining their party coffers with donations, so nothing will happen unless some big corp/media get on board.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Yes, and Yes.  Also regularly forward info from this site and others to friends/family, etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>The reason we ask for help, is due to the $$$ and clout that corporations weild in the modern political arena.  IMHO, politicians here regularly ignore the citizenry, in favour of those with deep pockets.</p>
<p>(Hence we have AdScam, where they lined their pockets with our own money, using money-laundering techniques)</p>
<p>Also, mainstream media needs to be rallied, and Globe and Mail surely doesn&#8217;t care much about a few petitions.  They are submitted for a multitude of reasons every day.</p>
<p>Look at the farmer protests, look at the G7/G8 protests.  Nobody cares.m  They aren&#8217;t lining their party coffers with donations, so nothing will happen unless some big corp/media get on board.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12531</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12531</guid>
		<description>so sorry about the typos..  feeding youngster &#038; typing w/one hand!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so sorry about the typos..  feeding youngster &#038; typing w/one hand!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12530</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12530</guid>
		<description>All we need to do is tell ebveryone they are trying to implement AMERICAN laws to suit US corpoerate music business,

I like the US and its people, but Canadians (mostly) define ourselves by being "not American."

It's sad, but the tactic/method WILL work.

NO politician wants to be seen supporting US interests (real or imagined).  It would be political suicide...   We have no "Leaders" here.... only poll-driven, lobby-supported, reaction oriented hucksters.

Take note of recent decisions on missle defence, Iraq. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All we need to do is tell ebveryone they are trying to implement AMERICAN laws to suit US corpoerate music business,</p>
<p>I like the US and its people, but Canadians (mostly) define ourselves by being &#8220;not American.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad, but the tactic/method WILL work.</p>
<p>NO politician wants to be seen supporting US interests (real or imagined).  It would be political suicide&#8230;   We have no &#8220;Leaders&#8221; here&#8230;. only poll-driven, lobby-supported, reaction oriented hucksters.</p>
<p>Take note of recent decisions on missle defence, Iraq. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12528</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12528</guid>
		<description>I like the opposition. but I fear they would also sell out Canadians....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the opposition. but I fear they would also sell out Canadians&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12509</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12509</guid>
		<description>So, other than posting this message here, what have you done? Have you written to your MP? Have you written a letter to the editor of the National Post or the Globe and Mail? Have you signed that petition that was presented to Parliament?

You're asking for someone, anyone, to help but we're a small voice alone. If you feel this strongly then you need to work for the cause and not stand on the sidelines hoping someone else will come to your rescue.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, other than posting this message here, what have you done? Have you written to your MP? Have you written a letter to the editor of the National Post or the Globe and Mail? Have you signed that petition that was presented to Parliament?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re asking for someone, anyone, to help but we&#8217;re a small voice alone. If you feel this strongly then you need to work for the cause and not stand on the sidelines hoping someone else will come to your rescue.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12481</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12481</guid>
		<description>We too, pay a tax because we "could" use blanks for recording copyrighted files. Somehow that was neglected to be removed when all this crap was going on. This tax has been paid since the days of cassette tapes, supposedly to pay royalites to the artists. To my knowledge not one artist has recieved any funds from it, inspite of several lawsuits by some of those artists to recoup some of the funds. Only one of those corporations is American, the rest are as foreign to us as they are to our northern neighbors. Sadly it looks as though Canada also has its bought lawmaker willing to do the bidding for the majors for a price. 

While I never made fun of Canadians for not having to deal with these sort of idiots, I am sad to see you guys face the same sort of stuff we are dealing with. Talk to your friends, talk to your neighbors, tell them that the majors are attempting to do what they have done here and purchase their laws. Surely the Canadians are proud people and would resent such influance upon their lives as what this will bring. I would also add that now is the time to join the boycott, not for a week but for life or until they mend their ways. 

Part of what is driving all this is WIPO. Folks in Canada need to get active in it and what it is doing. What it is doing is setting up international standards for Intellectual Property and that is what is driving the push to have Canada reform to the same setup. Not doing so will push Canada onto less favored trading status with the world. Notice I didn't say with the Americans. 

Grab a willing hand and join against fight of monopolies that these megacorporations are trying to foist off on the world. It is nothing good for the average citizen, no matter what country they are from. 

"Corporations have all the benefits of a man without benefit of a conscience."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We too, pay a tax because we &#8220;could&#8221; use blanks for recording copyrighted files. Somehow that was neglected to be removed when all this crap was going on. This tax has been paid since the days of cassette tapes, supposedly to pay royalites to the artists. To my knowledge not one artist has recieved any funds from it, inspite of several lawsuits by some of those artists to recoup some of the funds. Only one of those corporations is American, the rest are as foreign to us as they are to our northern neighbors. Sadly it looks as though Canada also has its bought lawmaker willing to do the bidding for the majors for a price. </p>
<p>While I never made fun of Canadians for not having to deal with these sort of idiots, I am sad to see you guys face the same sort of stuff we are dealing with. Talk to your friends, talk to your neighbors, tell them that the majors are attempting to do what they have done here and purchase their laws. Surely the Canadians are proud people and would resent such influance upon their lives as what this will bring. I would also add that now is the time to join the boycott, not for a week but for life or until they mend their ways. </p>
<p>Part of what is driving all this is WIPO. Folks in Canada need to get active in it and what it is doing. What it is doing is setting up international standards for Intellectual Property and that is what is driving the push to have Canada reform to the same setup. Not doing so will push Canada onto less favored trading status with the world. Notice I didn&#8217;t say with the Americans. </p>
<p>Grab a willing hand and join against fight of monopolies that these megacorporations are trying to foist off on the world. It is nothing good for the average citizen, no matter what country they are from. </p>
<p>&#8220;Corporations have all the benefits of a man without benefit of a conscience.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12473</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12473</guid>
		<description>well hopefully Frulla will be booted soon with the rest of the corrupt liberals...but of course they're aware of this as well, time to ramrod legislation thru right CRIA?!  stupid muth$^%^$&#038;$&#038;

TT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well hopefully Frulla will be booted soon with the rest of the corrupt liberals&#8230;but of course they&#8217;re aware of this as well, time to ramrod legislation thru right CRIA?!  stupid muth$^%^$&#038;$&#038;</p>
<p>TT</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12472</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12472</guid>
		<description>are you just reposting my points....;)

TT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you just reposting my points&#8230;.;)</p>
<p>TT</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12470</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/4570#comment-12470</guid>
		<description>Nowhere in this article is one of the most important facts mentioned:

Canadians PAY for copyright fair use/infringement.   Each and every 'music CD' sold in Canada is levied, as are cassettes and other media.

It's a farce for the CRIA to collect the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars each year from this unwanted TAX, and then to use this money to go after their VERY CUSTOMERS.

Someone PLEASE... EFF.ORG... someone, ANYONE! Start a campaign against this, start lobbying the government, and the opposition parties as well... to try and get this extremely wasteful, corrupt and vile system (the one proposed) knocked out before it starts.

If we all sit back and do nothing (very Canadian, to just shrug at being screwed) then we'll just be another USA.

Don't let AMERICAN corporate interests corrupt our Law, Order, and Good Government!  (well, the founders had a good idea, but I think that last part was a pipe dream).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowhere in this article is one of the most important facts mentioned:</p>
<p>Canadians PAY for copyright fair use/infringement.   Each and every &#8216;music CD&#8217; sold in Canada is levied, as are cassettes and other media.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a farce for the CRIA to collect the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars each year from this unwanted TAX, and then to use this money to go after their VERY CUSTOMERS.</p>
<p>Someone PLEASE&#8230; EFF.ORG&#8230; someone, ANYONE! Start a campaign against this, start lobbying the government, and the opposition parties as well&#8230; to try and get this extremely wasteful, corrupt and vile system (the one proposed) knocked out before it starts.</p>
<p>If we all sit back and do nothing (very Canadian, to just shrug at being screwed) then we&#8217;ll just be another USA.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let AMERICAN corporate interests corrupt our Law, Order, and Good Government!  (well, the founders had a good idea, but I think that last part was a pipe dream).</p>
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