Firefox is full of bugs
p2pnet.net News View:- The Firefox browser is full of bugs, some of them rather serious.
Back in March the Danish security firm Secunia reported that it had found eight, some of which could be used to trick users into giving away confidential information while others might let hackers get access to people’s computers.
Every few days we hear about new ones - in fact the little red button that tells you a ‘critical’ update is available appears almost weekly, sending users off to the website to get the new version and fix yet another bug or security hole.
Since one of the main reasons people give for moving to Firefox from Microsoft’s Internet Explorer is that it’s full of bugs and vulnerable to attack, this might seem to show that it doesn’t matter which browser you use, since you’re still going to be in trouble.
But the bugs in Firefox worry me a lot less than those in IE, just as the patches I have to apply to my Apache web server are less of a concern than the monthly collection of Windows Updates on my main desktop machine.
This isn’t because I don’t like or use Microsoft software. It’s because Apache, Firefox and many of the other tools I use every day are open source programs and I can, if I feel like it, look at the original program code and the fixed program code and understand for myself what was wrong and how it has been fixed.
I could even, for the free software that I use, decide that I don’t like the proposed change and make my own version of the program. That’s because free and open source software gives me the right to make changes to the code, something that matters a lot more than just being able to see what it looks like.
I can’t do any of this with Microsoft’s programs, and so I feel less comfortable when they send out patches and security fixes. I’ll never know exactly what the problem was, so I can never be completely sure that the ‘fix’ was the best way to solve it.
Of course, I’m not a gifted programmer, but the thousands of volunteers who produce and maintain free software will do the checking for me, and they don’t have to worry about the impact on share prices or company sales of a security announcement.
The importance of open source software to the Internet continues to worry many companies trying to make money out of their own closed, proprietary programs.
It’s one of the reasons that the big companies are so keen on allowing software to be patented, as it would allow them to lock down the ideas behind some pretty basic technology instead of just protecting their own code and allowing competition from open source alternatives in a free market.
The UK think-tank Demos has just published a rather interesting analysis of the phenomenon, looking at how open source methods could be applied in areas outside programming like law-making, the media and even company organisation and funding.
One of the important aspects of open source outlined in ‘Wide Open’ is that it isn’t really a new idea. Authors Geoff Mulgan and Tom Steinberg point out that ‘for centuries the pursuit of knowledge has been undertaken in ways that involve widely dispersed groups commenting on each others’ work. The evolution of the Talmud in Judaism is one example, and the tradition of interpretation in Islam is another.’
What has changed is the speed of communication and access to shared tools that the Internet can provide, so that the same working methods can produce radically different outcomes – instead of a book of religious law we can make an operating system or a Web browser.
Firefox has become the poster child of the open source movement because it’s one of the few open source products that ordinary users see and use every day.
It’s still relatively rare, with just under six per cent of Web accesses coming from Firefox in February 2005 compared with nearly 90% for Internet Explorer. And according to Web traffic analysis company WebSideStory, the rate of growth in Firefox use has slowed slightly since the release of version 1.0 in November 2004.
Yet even growth of around 1% per month is important, especially given the inertia of the browser marketplace. The vast majority of Web users are sitting at work computers over which they have little control, or know too little about their systems to feel comfortable downloading and installing new programs. Getting thousands of them to convert every month is an achievement.
Microsoft is responding to the concern over IE and its security by bringing forward the release of IE 7. This was originally to have been part of the next major version of Windows, codenamed Longhorn, but now it will be available to existing Windows users sometime over the summer.
This could make it harder for Firefox and the other open source browsers to break into more conservative markets, but in one sense that doesn’t matter. Firefox development isn’t being driven by people out to dominate the market or squeeze monopoly profits out of customers for other products they sell. It has already done a great deal by making Microsoft honest, pushing their new emphasis on the security and reliability of their products and prompting the early release of IE 7.
And of course even if Firefox stalled and its developers moved on to other projects anyone – and that could include anyone reading this – can get all of the source code and keep on making it better or adapting it to their needs.
Unlike closed source, where the program code is locked up, Firefox’s code is out there for us all to look at and use as we see fit. And that helps me sleep at night.
Bill Thompson - andfinally.com
[Thompson is a UK-based writer and broadcaster.]





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April 24th, 2005 at 5:01 pm
wow, google is still indexing p2pnet.net’ news stories
April 24th, 2005 at 5:48 pm
— still indexing p2pnet.net’ —
Shouldn’t they be?
heh
Cheers!
April 24th, 2005 at 8:15 pm
In software that you can’t see inside or what changes were made to “fix” a problem you never know what was done. So many scams and bs have been pulled on computer users they have every right to be suspicious. One of the real erkers to me is the music industry which tried some of this at one time to make modifications to your computer software through music cds you purchased. Not really a music cd if it does that is it? Its software modifications, unannounced on the packaging I might add, make it not a music cd but a software cd. Does being a software make such a cd fall under different laws and regulations? I am sure it does. However, as to what laws would be pertitent and to what extent is a grey area. This commentor has no earthly idea of the effects of such changes to ones operating systems or even its compatibility effects on the rest of the system.
Microsucks has long been known for its rush to sell and fix it later practices. It has also long been known for its predatory business practices which has gone a long way towards closing the doors on competive businesses. Both have been at consumers expense as competion is usually the driver that gives the consumer the end benefit of a better product. Mircosucks usual practice is to blame the consumer for any problems experienced with its products until it can’t cover it with that excuse anymore. At that time they get on the ball and release something else to make yet another patch until the internet superhighway is nothing but a pothole road with attempts to cover temporarily the problem with yet another necessary patch.
Microsucks has long been the enabler of allowing third party spyware and cookies to access your computer. Were it not so, none of the spyware would work. It is a victim of its own success and its own drive to remove competion. The security issues around IE have long been there. Microsucks refuses to do anything that will not allow those third parties access as in much of it they have to buy a license to use certain programs and code from Microsucks in order for said spyware to be effective. That same sort of access has been used to also make sure that viruses and trojans and the like are effective. No writer of such malware knows what is on your computer. They have to guess what file might be there to attach to. Microsucks has ensured that they can guess with near certainty as to some of the file names being as better than 90% of the world uses the same OS. Thats a large security hole.
Microsucks was not impressed with the users of its product and its holes in IE till a national alert was put out of the security holes within its browers and the recommendation that people change to another browser. Within a very short time after that, low and behold SP2 was out to fix the problem. SP2 was a problem of its own causing countless problems with the install to users. Another rush to patch that lead to much heartache that of course the user was responcible for.
April 24th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Your article that is full of bugs.
Look for the real things first: http://mozillanews.org/?article_date=2005-04-18+22-33-46
April 25th, 2005 at 1:46 pm
stop talking bullshit
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4472219.stm
April 25th, 2005 at 3:02 pm
This could make it harder for Firefox and the other open source browsers to break into more conservative markets
the fact IE is the defacto browser for windows system is the problem. microcrap knows this and is why they bundle this junk with their crappy software - why search for something else when you have something that works ok already?
April 25th, 2005 at 7:29 pm
No surprise for me here. Any software that become widely used will show more and more bugs. It’s a surprise only to those who think Microsoft’s softwares are badly done, wich is not true. Every software is full of bugs. Sorry bad english.
May 5th, 2005 at 5:08 pm
So the point is that because he can look at code that he doesn’t understand or have a clue what the code is doing he sleeps better.
I’d suggest getting a life.
November 24th, 2005 at 1:02 am
Yeah, but Firefox’s bugs are really weird. For instance, right now every time I type an apostrophe or a slash the focus switches to the “find on page” box. Plus the arrow keys and the ins/home/del keys don’t (damn it there it goes again) work anymore. I’ve (aaagh) also had it crash numerous times trying to load Java (plus it takes like 2 minutes to load it). I switched from Mozilla Suite to Firefox because Mozilla Mail stopped connecting to my server for no reason, but now I pretty much regret it. I should have stayed with Mozilla Suite. The problems with IE are solvable. With Firefox they’r (@#$@#$@$) not and they come and go like it’s (I better restart before I go insane) programmed by a bunch of idiots… which it seems it is. IE has huge faults in the privacy and security departments, but at least it is stable. Plus Firefox’s pop-up blocker doesn’t (…..) work anymore and it’shandling of MIME types is garbage–literally, since I get a page full of garbage instead of a movie file sometimes. WMV is a movie, it is not text. If I wanted it to be text, I’dlkjnslgfkj download it.