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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-16114</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably a F.U.D. specialist.  To hell with them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably a F.U.D. specialist.  To hell with them all.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-16104</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad I wasn&#039;t the only one that noticed his booboos!
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I wonder what line of work he&#039;s in now....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I wasn&#8217;t the only one that noticed his booboos!<br />
 <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I wonder what line of work he&#8217;s in now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15987</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It remains up to the plaintiff to prove that the defendant was persuading its users to break the rules.  Simply having people using your service to break the rules is not enough.  If it was, the entire Internet would be doomed, because ISPs and their related providers could be held liable for their users&#039; actions.

In front of a judge, they&#039;re going to have to prove the inducement factor, they can&#039;t just say &quot;people are using this service for illegal means, therefore the service must be pushing them to do so.&quot;

If you&#039;re former legal counsel, why can&#039;t you use proper grammar and mechanics rules in your usage of the English language?

Your English errors are irritating beyond all sanity.  If you were a lawyer and I read your response, I wouldn&#039;t hire you to write a letter to a five-year-old.  &quot;...who as drafted numerous disclaimers&quot; and a few missing commas and periods show all that I need to know.

It&#039;s amazing who can get through the educational system these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It remains up to the plaintiff to prove that the defendant was persuading its users to break the rules.  Simply having people using your service to break the rules is not enough.  If it was, the entire Internet would be doomed, because ISPs and their related providers could be held liable for their users&#8217; actions.</p>
<p>In front of a judge, they&#8217;re going to have to prove the inducement factor, they can&#8217;t just say &#8220;people are using this service for illegal means, therefore the service must be pushing them to do so.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re former legal counsel, why can&#8217;t you use proper grammar and mechanics rules in your usage of the English language?</p>
<p>Your English errors are irritating beyond all sanity.  If you were a lawyer and I read your response, I wouldn&#8217;t hire you to write a letter to a five-year-old.  &#8220;&#8230;who as drafted numerous disclaimers&#8221; and a few missing commas and periods show all that I need to know.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing who can get through the educational system these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15922</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>samuel clemens (i believe) said: &quot;The law is a ass.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15906</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 17:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, pray tell, is necessarily infringing about BitTorrent&#039;s &quot;trackerless&quot; system?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, pray tell, is necessarily infringing about BitTorrent&#8217;s &#8220;trackerless&#8221; system?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15903</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, crying wolf is one way to create awareness. Second, I hope you&#039;re right about the disclaimer but as former legal counsel who as drafted numerous disclaimers and T&amp;C I can tell you this: they are smoke screens devised by lawyers into having a false sense of security. You can claim all you want but in front of a judge all bets are off.

Just look at Grokster&#039;s disclaimer

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, crying wolf is one way to create awareness. Second, I hope you&#8217;re right about the disclaimer but as former legal counsel who as drafted numerous disclaimers and T&#038;C I can tell you this: they are smoke screens devised by lawyers into having a false sense of security. You can claim all you want but in front of a judge all bets are off.</p>
<p>Just look at Grokster&#8217;s disclaimer</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15895</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 11:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, take away those paypal links. tracker owners - pay for it yourselves.

p2p is free and must remain that way - without restrictions of any kind. this includes ratio tracking and registrations.

a person who runs a tracker knows that it costs money and should be willing to pay for it themself. we p2pers do not have bottomless wells of money.

there are many popular and thriving trackers whose owners do pay the costs themselves and do not beg or require people to &quot;help&quot; them pay. it&#039;s your website. YOU PAY FOR IT. one LOKI scam was enough. if you can&#039;t pay the server bills, you have no business running a tracker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, take away those paypal links. tracker owners &#8211; pay for it yourselves.</p>
<p>p2p is free and must remain that way &#8211; without restrictions of any kind. this includes ratio tracking and registrations.</p>
<p>a person who runs a tracker knows that it costs money and should be willing to pay for it themself. we p2pers do not have bottomless wells of money.</p>
<p>there are many popular and thriving trackers whose owners do pay the costs themselves and do not beg or require people to &#8220;help&#8221; them pay. it&#8217;s your website. YOU PAY FOR IT. one LOKI scam was enough. if you can&#8217;t pay the server bills, you have no business running a tracker.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15894</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:

&quot;Copyright: Sharman Networks Ltd does not condone activities and actions that breach the rights of copyright owners. As a Kazaa user
you have agreed to abide by the End User License Agreement and it is your responsibility to obey all laws governing copyright in each country.&quot;

This disclaimer on the KaZaA website is 90% of what is needed to survive the new inducement test.  The other 10% is making sure you don&#039;t actually tell your customers that you want them to break copyright laws using your service.  You don&#039;t have to use filters.  You just have to make sure you aren&#039;t promoting the illegal uses of your product or service, and are instead throwing the legal ones out there and promoting them actively.

The ruling does not say &quot;file sharing is illegal&quot; nor does it say &quot;if someone uses your service to an illegal end, you&#039;re liable.&quot;  It says &quot;if you induce (Dictionary.com says:  &quot;1. To lead or move, as to a course of action, by influence or persuasion&quot;) someone to infringe on a copyright with your product or service, you&#039;re liable for their actions.&quot;  This is reasonable because it is possible that your &quot;influence or persuasion&quot; is the reason someone performed the act.  Maybe they thought it was okay because you&#039;re promoting the act.

(It&#039;s not like KaZaA Gold making people think they had already paid for the things they downloaded when they bought the software, that&#039;s just plain stupidity and not the same as KaZaA telling them &quot;get Britney Spears songs off our service!&quot;)

If you don&#039;t &quot;move...by influence or persuasion&quot; to infringe upon a copyright, then you&#039;re not liable.  eMule, for example, doesn&#039;t even state a purpose other than &quot;a file sharing client.&quot;  File sharing isn&#039;t illegal by itself.  The users are liable until the provider starts telling the users to perform the act.

I&#039;m going in circles.  You get the damned point.  I think file sharing software is the greatest thing since the $80 256MB MP3 player, but I still want this to be clear.  Quit crying wolf.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Copyright: Sharman Networks Ltd does not condone activities and actions that breach the rights of copyright owners. As a Kazaa user<br />
you have agreed to abide by the End User License Agreement and it is your responsibility to obey all laws governing copyright in each country.&#8221;</p>
<p>This disclaimer on the KaZaA website is 90% of what is needed to survive the new inducement test.  The other 10% is making sure you don&#8217;t actually tell your customers that you want them to break copyright laws using your service.  You don&#8217;t have to use filters.  You just have to make sure you aren&#8217;t promoting the illegal uses of your product or service, and are instead throwing the legal ones out there and promoting them actively.</p>
<p>The ruling does not say &#8220;file sharing is illegal&#8221; nor does it say &#8220;if someone uses your service to an illegal end, you&#8217;re liable.&#8221;  It says &#8220;if you induce (Dictionary.com says:  &#8220;1. To lead or move, as to a course of action, by influence or persuasion&#8221;) someone to infringe on a copyright with your product or service, you&#8217;re liable for their actions.&#8221;  This is reasonable because it is possible that your &#8220;influence or persuasion&#8221; is the reason someone performed the act.  Maybe they thought it was okay because you&#8217;re promoting the act.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s not like KaZaA Gold making people think they had already paid for the things they downloaded when they bought the software, that&#8217;s just plain stupidity and not the same as KaZaA telling them &#8220;get Britney Spears songs off our service!&#8221;)</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t &#8220;move&#8230;by influence or persuasion&#8221; to infringe upon a copyright, then you&#8217;re not liable.  eMule, for example, doesn&#8217;t even state a purpose other than &#8220;a file sharing client.&#8221;  File sharing isn&#8217;t illegal by itself.  The users are liable until the provider starts telling the users to perform the act.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going in circles.  You get the damned point.  I think file sharing software is the greatest thing since the $80 256MB MP3 player, but I still want this to be clear.  Quit crying wolf.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15893</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 10:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the media won&#039;t tell you about the peer-to-peer debate...

Filesharing - The New Economy of Community
http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/06/filesharing-new-economy-of-community.html

Morpheus/Grokster Senate Ruling Explained
http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/06/morpheusgrokster-senate-ruling.html

P2P Vs The 0.01 Percenters
http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/03/p2p-vs-001-percent-ers.html

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the media won&#8217;t tell you about the peer-to-peer debate&#8230;</p>
<p>Filesharing &#8211; The New Economy of Community<br />
<a href="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/06/filesharing-new-economy-of-community.html" rel="nofollow">http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/06/filesharing-new-economy-of-community.html</a></p>
<p>Morpheus/Grokster Senate Ruling Explained<br />
<a href="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/06/morpheusgrokster-senate-ruling.html" rel="nofollow">http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/06/morpheusgrokster-senate-ruling.html</a></p>
<p>P2P Vs The 0.01 Percenters<br />
<a href="http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/03/p2p-vs-001-percent-ers.html" rel="nofollow">http://antagonise.blogspot.com/2005/03/p2p-vs-001-percent-ers.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15889</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 05:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong site for stupid posts pal.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15888</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what that&#039;s worth.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15887</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, just like that nice ole patent system ya&#039;ll got over there in the US of A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, just like that nice ole patent system ya&#8217;ll got over there in the US of A</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15886</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 03:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yer right, that was an undeserved slam on Michael. Just refering to OJ would have been better. My bad (no pun intended). The real point being, the USA has the best justice system money can buy... which in the long run does not bode well for P2P or anybody else who has displeased or is trying to compete with the big media... um... thugs. So disregard everything I said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yer right, that was an undeserved slam on Michael. Just refering to OJ would have been better. My bad (no pun intended). The real point being, the USA has the best justice system money can buy&#8230; which in the long run does not bode well for P2P or anybody else who has displeased or is trying to compete with the big media&#8230; um&#8230; thugs. So disregard everything I said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15884</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed : )</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15883</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  do not know if you understand just what the impact of a ruling in favour of Grokster would have been.  Ruling in favour of persons who willfully make it possible (and actively help) to damage others would have an enormous and devestating impact on our legal system.  It is something that simply cannot be accepted and the Supreme Court correctly saw no reason why the need for &quot;innovation&quot; should change that.  The court did not criminalize p2p as such but held that you have to take into account other people&#039;s justified interests.  The decision is a good decision.  Even more, it is the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  do not know if you understand just what the impact of a ruling in favour of Grokster would have been.  Ruling in favour of persons who willfully make it possible (and actively help) to damage others would have an enormous and devestating impact on our legal system.  It is something that simply cannot be accepted and the Supreme Court correctly saw no reason why the need for &#8220;innovation&#8221; should change that.  The court did not criminalize p2p as such but held that you have to take into account other people&#8217;s justified interests.  The decision is a good decision.  Even more, it is the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops my vault Jon
here&#039;s  the right  link: http://www.fk2w.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&amp;name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=51</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops my vault Jon<br />
here&#8217;s  the right  link: <a href="http://www.fk2w.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&#038;name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=51" rel="nofollow">http://www.fk2w.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&#038;name=News&#038;file=article&#038;sid=51</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15880</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again, on the subject of Michael Jackson he deserved to get off.  It&#039;s really hard to convict a guy when there&#039;s no credibility for the accuser.  If the mother hadn&#039;t been such a scumbag maybe MJ would have actually gotten punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, on the subject of Michael Jackson he deserved to get off.  It&#8217;s really hard to convict a guy when there&#8217;s no credibility for the accuser.  If the mother hadn&#8217;t been such a scumbag maybe MJ would have actually gotten punished.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5376/comment-page-1#comment-15876</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The US Supreme Court has given copyrights holders cart blanche to test the legal waters and sue everything in sight.&quot;

OH COME OFF IT! Like the entertainment industry&#039;s wolf pack of lawyers couldn&#039;t already come up with clever (and expensive) ways to sue WHOEVER for WHATEVER reason before this ruling.  Sure they got some shiny new bullets, but they already had the big guns and plenty of ammo. Come on! Michael Jackson is INNOCENT just like OJ was! It does not matter that much what the law says, statistically those who spend the most money on the case win (at least in the good ol&#039; USA...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The US Supreme Court has given copyrights holders cart blanche to test the legal waters and sue everything in sight.&#8221;</p>
<p>OH COME OFF IT! Like the entertainment industry&#8217;s wolf pack of lawyers couldn&#8217;t already come up with clever (and expensive) ways to sue WHOEVER for WHATEVER reason before this ruling.  Sure they got some shiny new bullets, but they already had the big guns and plenty of ammo. Come on! Michael Jackson is INNOCENT just like OJ was! It does not matter that much what the law says, statistically those who spend the most money on the case win (at least in the good ol&#8217; USA&#8230;).</p>
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