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]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-36388 Reader's Write Wed, 22 Mar 2006 08:17:00 +0000 #comment-36388 The one that would understand if I screamed AEP!? What's the word crack honky? This is the man whos' car you continually fouled in HS The one that would understand if I screamed AEP!? What’s the word crack honky?

This is the man whos’ car you continually fouled in HS

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16193 Reader's Write Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:51:20 +0000 #comment-16193 Hey moron, how do they spend their hard-earned cash *WRITING AND RECORDING* music?! Those are very low-cost activities! Hey moron, how do they spend their hard-earned cash *WRITING AND RECORDING* music?! Those are very low-cost activities!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16127 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:23:59 +0000 #comment-16127 "We no longer have compact discs that keep us listening to the entire disc for hours on end;" That's the cartels current model. If you want a hour of good music you need to buy 10-20 cd's. They make more sales that way. They are killing themselves and honestly I hope it's already too late for them. They might think that the end is near themselves why else would they sue their customers (er consumers I guess customer insinuates some rights where a consumer just consumes) “We no longer have compact discs that keep us listening to the entire disc for hours on end;”

That’s the cartels current model. If you want a hour of good music you need to buy 10-20 cd’s. They make more sales that way. They are killing themselves and honestly I hope it’s already too late for them. They might think that the end is near themselves why else would they sue their customers (er consumers I guess customer insinuates some rights where a consumer just consumes)

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16112 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:29:35 +0000 #comment-16112 Bill Gates is one hell of a businessman. He happened to be handed a lot of lucky streaks and a few underhanded opportunities, and he took them and used them to further his business. That's not necessarily the most appealing thing, but you've got to give him credit and leave him out of the RIAA/MPAA thing. He's not suing people who download media files, they are. Bill Gates is one hell of a businessman. He happened to be handed a lot of lucky streaks and a few underhanded opportunities, and he took them and used them to further his business. That’s not necessarily the most appealing thing, but you’ve got to give him credit and leave him out of the RIAA/MPAA thing. He’s not suing people who download media files, they are.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16108 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 19:36:53 +0000 #comment-16108 "This is a great victory for artists, songwriters and all of those who make their living through the creative process." This ironic. The big looser of the copyright laws are precisely this group of persons. The next big loosers are the customers. As to the spin, after reading several articles in the Internet press there is only on conclusion possible. Most of the press is dumb or in the take. Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “This is a great victory for artists, songwriters and all of those who make their living through the creative process.”

This ironic. The big looser of the copyright laws are precisely this group of persons. The next big loosers are the customers.

As to the spin, after reading several articles in the Internet press there is only on conclusion possible. Most of the press is dumb or in the take.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16095 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:42:25 +0000 #comment-16095 My oh my, aren't you dumb as dumb gets. I pitty you. Do you work for the MPAA or RIAA. Do you really think that people reading these comments actually believe you? The entertainment industry makes billions of dollars yearly. I haven't seen any recording studios going under or producers in the food line at shelters. Dude, it's about greed. Just like Bill G., they CAN'T GET ENOUGH money. It's a disease. People know this. Wake up dude. We do want to 'pay for the music' as you put but we don't want to pay for their mansions and sports cars and speed boats and stretch Hum-v's. You go out and but all the DVD's and CD's you can afford, go ahead...fool. ======= This is a cookin site. keep it up! My oh my, aren’t you dumb as dumb gets.
I pitty you. Do you work for the MPAA or RIAA.
Do you really think that people reading these comments actually believe you? The entertainment industry makes billions of dollars yearly. I haven’t seen any recording studios going under or producers in the food line at shelters.
Dude, it’s about greed. Just like Bill G., they CAN’T GET ENOUGH money. It’s a disease. People know this.
Wake up dude.
We do want to ‘pay for the music’ as you put but we don’t want to pay for their mansions and sports cars and speed boats and stretch Hum-v’s. You go out and but all the DVD’s and CD’s you can afford, go ahead…fool.
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This is a cookin site. keep it up!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16087 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:57:10 +0000 #comment-16087 i completely agree with you. although i do think that if a band wants some money from its fans in order to keep themselvs going (buying equipment, putting out flyers, booking rooms to play in ect.) thats fine with me, but its by all means not fine when the money is regulated by a gluttonus collective such as the RIAA. i have no problem supporting the bands i love, its supporting uncreative fat asses that i have a problem with. i completely agree with you.
although i do think that if a band wants some money from its fans in order to keep themselvs going (buying equipment, putting out flyers, booking rooms to play in ect.) thats fine with me, but its by all means not fine when the money is regulated by a gluttonus collective such as the RIAA.
i have no problem supporting the bands i love, its supporting uncreative fat asses that i have a problem with.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16081 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 10:34:55 +0000 #comment-16081 Art is not supposed to be an endeavor of profit, it is an endeavor of creativity. And the media associations do not fairly compensate their contracted "employees" in comparison to themselves. As someone else put it somewhere else, a long time ago: "I'll gladly compensate the artist. Give me their name and address and I'll send them a check." I'm not helping the head guys at the RIAA buy a Gulfstream IV private jet. To hell with that. No, I don't want to pay for the music. Why should I? Local bands are so much cheaper and spew amazing quantities of creativity, but the popular stuff is all the same thing over and over, simply re-hashed, refried, and thrown back on the table, losing flavor with each new serving. I'm sick of your kind. Every time someone supports the idea that art isn't about financial gain, the media's religious fanatics come out of the woodwork and scream about how it IS about the money and we're forcing them to cut pay for their employees because we download good music. Executives get paid salaries measured in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, or even beyond that. Somehow I doubt that entry-level work comes without $10,000 per year in pay from alternative song distribution mechanisms when the execs at the top are looking at airplane catalogs and don't feel the pinch. Not only do I not want to pay for the music, I *WON'T* pay for it. The price is too high, the quality is too low, the talent is drained, the extras don't matter, and the listener is left with only one or two songs for a $16 purchase. That's $8 per song. How is it that "Permanent Vacation" by Aerosmith is mostly composed of songs that I enjoy, but when I listened over that first Britney Spears CD one time, I hit my "track skip" button more times than I can remember? Even Nirvana, Metallica, and Foo Fighters had it going for my personal taste, but then when the milennium turned, Metallica's new CD wasn't satisfying (the Napster incident didn't help) and finding a CD by a band that didn't exist before '96 containing more than a scattered few enjoyable songs became practically impossible. My once-favorite rock station in the area, which carried a lot of music from before the turn of the century, has been putting lots of the latest stuff from new bands that RIAA's member labels have signed up on the station. I have to tell you, I've moved away from them completely because of it. All of the commercialized components of the music industry are melting away in front of us. We no longer have compact discs that keep us listening to the entire disc for hours on end; we have to download one song in lieu of buying a whole CD and put together "mix CDs" because in short, my friend, the music industry "sucks ass." "You are an idiot! Ha, ha-ha-ha ha ha ha-a-a ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!" --the file idiot.swf that I downloaded somewhere Go collect your pay from the RIAA for pushing their political agenda and get off my Internet, you sorry excuse for an American citizen. If it was within my power, I would strip you of your voting privilege. Art is not supposed to be an endeavor of profit, it is an endeavor of creativity. And the media associations do not fairly compensate their contracted “employees” in comparison to themselves.

As someone else put it somewhere else, a long time ago:

“I’ll gladly compensate the artist. Give me their name and address and I’ll send them a check.”

I’m not helping the head guys at the RIAA buy a Gulfstream IV private jet. To hell with that.

No, I don’t want to pay for the music. Why should I? Local bands are so much cheaper and spew amazing quantities of creativity, but the popular stuff is all the same thing over and over, simply re-hashed, refried, and thrown back on the table, losing flavor with each new serving.

I’m sick of your kind. Every time someone supports the idea that art isn’t about financial gain, the media’s religious fanatics come out of the woodwork and scream about how it IS about the money and we’re forcing them to cut pay for their employees because we download good music. Executives get paid salaries measured in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, or even beyond that. Somehow I doubt that entry-level work comes without $10,000 per year in pay from alternative song distribution mechanisms when the execs at the top are looking at airplane catalogs and don’t feel the pinch.

Not only do I not want to pay for the music, I *WON’T* pay for it. The price is too high, the quality is too low, the talent is drained, the extras don’t matter, and the listener is left with only one or two songs for a $16 purchase. That’s $8 per song.

How is it that “Permanent Vacation” by Aerosmith is mostly composed of songs that I enjoy, but when I listened over that first Britney Spears CD one time, I hit my “track skip” button more times than I can remember? Even Nirvana, Metallica, and Foo Fighters had it going for my personal taste, but then when the milennium turned, Metallica’s new CD wasn’t satisfying (the Napster incident didn’t help) and finding a CD by a band that didn’t exist before ‘96 containing more than a scattered few enjoyable songs became practically impossible. My once-favorite rock station in the area, which carried a lot of music from before the turn of the century, has been putting lots of the latest stuff from new bands that RIAA’s member labels have signed up on the station. I have to tell you, I’ve moved away from them completely because of it. All of the commercialized components of the music industry are melting away in front of us. We no longer have compact discs that keep us listening to the entire disc for hours on end; we have to download one song in lieu of buying a whole CD and put together “mix CDs” because in short, my friend, the music industry “sucks ass.”

“You are an idiot! Ha, ha-ha-ha ha ha ha-a-a ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!” –the file idiot.swf that I downloaded somewhere

Go collect your pay from the RIAA for pushing their political agenda and get off my Internet, you sorry excuse for an American citizen. If it was within my power, I would strip you of your voting privilege.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16076 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 08:20:05 +0000 #comment-16076 "...you are too greedy, and self-ceneterd to realize the harm you are doing to Amercian music." It's not always about people being greedy, some people here in the midwest just can't justify it. The local university just approved raises for its lowest paid employees and they still qualify for food stamps. "We still feel that it does not address the basic issue of poverty," Hawkins said, explaining that even with the raise, employees still will qualify for food stamps. "I applaud President Gates for making a moral statement this fiscal year, but we believe the university can allot more." http://www.theeagle.com/stories/062205/am_20050622001.php “…you are too greedy, and self-ceneterd to realize the harm you are doing to Amercian music.”

It’s not always about people being greedy, some people here in the midwest just can’t justify it. The local university just approved raises for its lowest paid employees and they still qualify for food stamps.

“We still feel that it does not address the basic issue of poverty,” Hawkins said, explaining that even with the raise, employees still will qualify for food stamps. “I applaud President Gates for making a moral statement this fiscal year, but we believe the university can allot more.”

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/062205/am_20050622001.php

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16046 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 01:01:46 +0000 #comment-16046 "...you are too greedy, and self-ceneterd to realize the harm you are doing to Amercian music." I can say in all honesty that American music isn't what it was. It is my sincere hope that it totally craters and never arises again in the form it now is in. As a side benefit big business will follow that cratering, should that happen. I am doing my part to see it does so. Are you? I would rather see music done by regular folks setting around a fire, plucking for the heck of it than I would to see what is going on now with music. So if you call that greedy, so be it. For myself, I want to see the entertainment industry doors, barred, locked, and then burned to the ground! “…you are too greedy, and self-ceneterd to realize the harm you are doing to Amercian music.”

I can say in all honesty that American music isn’t what it was. It is my sincere hope that it totally craters and never arises again in the form it now is in. As a side benefit big business will follow that cratering, should that happen. I am doing my part to see it does so. Are you?

I would rather see music done by regular folks setting around a fire, plucking for the heck of it than I would to see what is going on now with music. So if you call that greedy, so be it. For myself, I want to see the entertainment industry doors, barred, locked, and then burned to the ground!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16038 Reader's Write Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:11:46 +0000 #comment-16038 show me one study, not done by the cartels or one of their subsidiaries, that displays profit loss directly from p2p activity. then mayb il feel bad for them. and just so you know, i do still buy cd's and movies, i also visit the thearters often, that is when the movies dont suck. you ever think if they updated their buisness model and actualy considered what they were putting on shelvs and the big screen they wouldnt have so many problems? im sorry for not rushing out to see the newest tom cruise movie or rushing out to buy the same stamped out crap cd with 1 new track, that equaly sucks. think before you speak show me one study, not done by the cartels or one of their subsidiaries, that displays profit loss directly from p2p activity. then mayb il feel bad for them.

and just so you know, i do still buy cd’s and movies, i also visit the thearters often, that is when the movies dont suck.

you ever think if they updated their buisness model and actualy considered what they were putting on shelvs and the big screen they wouldnt have so many problems? im sorry for not rushing out to see the newest tom cruise movie or rushing out to buy the same stamped out crap cd with 1 new track, that equaly sucks.

think before you speak

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16036 Reader's Write Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:45:33 +0000 #comment-16036 If it's not about the money... then why not compensate the people who spent years of their lives and all their hard earned cash writing and recording the music!?!?! No, the truth is simple... it IS about the money... you DON'T want to pay for the music... you are too greedy, and self-ceneterd to realize the harm you are doing to Amercian music... If it’s not about the money… then why not compensate the people who spent years of their lives and all their hard earned cash writing and recording the music!?!?!

No, the truth is simple… it IS about the money… you DON’T want to pay for the music… you are too greedy, and self-ceneterd to realize the harm you are doing to Amercian music…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16024 Reader's Write Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:45:13 +0000 #comment-16024 You say it clearly. It's all about money! Many *companies* came out with P2P to make profit. Let's get back to the roots and develop THE P2P application where money and profit has nothing to do. Just pure sharing of great content! Mr. Mark from Zurich. You say it clearly. It’s all about money! Many *companies* came out with P2P to make profit. Let’s get back to the roots and develop THE P2P application where money and profit has nothing to do. Just pure sharing of great content! Mr. Mark from Zurich.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16021 Reader's Write Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:24:16 +0000 #comment-16021 i dont have a problem at all with having to see a few page side ad's or a few please donate paypal banners on the pages i use and visit, webpages and servers need to be paid for, and the more users you have the more expensive things get, and more drastic measures to cover expences have to be taken, often meaning that the webmaster or coder has to make a few out of pocket payments. its only when they decide to leech the community for all its worth that things go to hell. p2p is an incredible promise, the idea of free exchange of arts and ideas is extrodinary, especialy since its rarely ever seen in the real world. it comes as no surprise that money would ruin such a beautiful promise. the trend that seems to be happening is the legal half is fighting the application companie half, making blows at eachother, some footing is made on either side, p2p companies go down, cartels lose in court. all this really does is inconveinence and aggrivate the end user. nither side really wins. the cartels dont discourage the end user from using the p2p app, and the p2p app company eventualy goes down or becomes too inefficent to meet the demands of the end user, hence the end user moves on to the next application. napster for example; everyone flocked to napster, then it was taken down and retooled, this system did not work for the user so they migrated to kazaa and morpheus. kazaa was infiltrated, flooded with crap, and their service was deminished to the point where it was useless to the end user, so they moved to other programs like limewire, and bittorrent. sadly nither limewire, bittorrent, nor morpehus will last forever. evetualy they will either be taken down or their service will deminish and a demand for a new application will rise giving some talented and innovative coder reason to dream up the application of tomorrow. wether he is fuled by the challange, the glory that follows such a succesful application or the rage of having to listen to the ignorance of the cartels reamins a question that can only be answered by the coder himself. no matter the reason, corprate or underground, legal or illegal, they can not stop innovation, inspiration or enginuity. they can make all the laws they want, go to all the courts they want and celebrate all the wins they want, the people will do what they want regardless, and until they realize that and try to make amends and work along side the people they will fail. [i apolagize for any inacuracies and the horrendus spelling in advance, this is off the top of my head and my spelling sucks :) ] i dont have a problem at all with having to see a few page side ad’s or a few please donate paypal banners on the pages i use and visit, webpages and servers need to be paid for, and the more users you have the more expensive things get, and more drastic measures to cover expences have to be taken, often meaning that the webmaster or coder has to make a few out of pocket payments. its only when they decide to leech the community for all its worth that things go to hell. p2p is an incredible promise, the idea of free exchange of arts and ideas is extrodinary, especialy since its rarely ever seen in the real world. it comes as no surprise that money would ruin such a beautiful promise.
the trend that seems to be happening is the legal half is fighting the application companie half, making blows at eachother, some footing is made on either side, p2p companies go down, cartels lose in court. all this really does is inconveinence and aggrivate the end user. nither side really wins. the cartels dont discourage the end user from using the p2p app, and the p2p app company eventualy goes down or becomes too inefficent to meet the demands of the end user, hence the end user moves on to the next application. napster for example; everyone flocked to napster, then it was taken down and retooled, this system did not work for the user so they migrated to kazaa and morpheus. kazaa was infiltrated, flooded with crap, and their service was deminished to the point where it was useless to the end user, so they moved to other programs like limewire, and bittorrent. sadly nither limewire, bittorrent, nor morpehus will last forever. evetualy they will either be taken down or their service will deminish and a demand for a new application will rise giving some talented and innovative coder reason to dream up the application of tomorrow. wether he is fuled by the challange, the glory that follows such a succesful application or the rage of having to listen to the ignorance of the cartels reamins a question that can only be answered by the coder himself. no matter the reason, corprate or underground, legal or illegal, they can not stop innovation, inspiration or enginuity. they can make all the laws they want, go to all the courts they want and celebrate all the wins they want, the people will do what they want regardless, and until they realize that and try to make amends and work along side the people they will fail.

[i apolagize for any inacuracies and the horrendus spelling in advance, this is off the top of my head and my spelling sucks :) ]

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5402/comment-page-1#comment-16017 Reader's Write Thu, 30 Jun 2005 19:37:09 +0000 #comment-16017 Hey Overnet is decentralized and does not require a server. It's bundled with the edonkey and so even if the servers go down, the network is still intact on the decentralized part. Hey Overnet is decentralized and does not require a server. It’s bundled with the edonkey and so even if the servers go down, the network is still intact on the decentralized part.

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