Threat to search engines
p2pnet.net News:- The entertainment and software cartels are having considerable success with their public and behind-closed-doors lobbying efforts to have Canadian copyright laws changed to bring them more in line with corporate business plans.
However, they might also have a less than desirable effect on the Googles of the world, large and small.
Canada’s Bill C-60 would amend the Copyright Act by implementing parts of the 1996 World Intellectual Property Organization treaty, “the treaty that led to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in the U.S.,” as CNET News points out, going on:
“Set for debate and an initial vote in the House of Commons after Parliament’s summer break, C-60 addresses things such as file-sharing, anticopying devices and the liability of Internet service providers and would tighten the Copyright Act in ways favorable to record labels and movie studios”.
In a recent column, the Globe & Mail’s Jack Kapica has Canadian copyright lawyer Howard Knopf saying he was startled to discover Bill C-60’s potentially negative effect on “information location tools.”
The phrasing is difficult, Kapica quotes Knopf as saying, “because at first glance it seems to be a helpful provision in that it limits the liability of companies such as Google to no more than an injunction when they have not received actual notice of infringement. But then the language of the bill works on the assumption that the search engine itself is capable of infringing copyright by having archived copyright material on it.”
Another Canadian expert, law professor Michael Geist, says search engine provisions, “effectively create a notice and takedown system for search engines that could result in the removal of content from the search engine index based solely on an allegation of copyright infringement. The system contains no checks and balances or deterrence against false claims. It would therefore be ripe for abuse with the possibility that competitors will use it to decrease traffic to competitor sites, while creating significant new costs for search engines.
“As recent reports in the Globe and Mail and CNET indicate, the potential problems with the provisions do not stop there. The provision seemingly rests on the assumption that caching content is an infringement that necessitates a limited liability provision. That is open to question, however, and Bill C-60 could be improved by clarifying that it does not purport to definitively decide the infringement issue and that it does not apply to mere indexing of content. I suspect we will hear much more about the search engine question as surely everyone involved in copyright policy recognizes the importance of getting this issue right.”
Copyright issues remain a hot topic in the US, “where search engines have found themselves subjected to a litany of infringement complaints, particularly as they expand the types of content they make searchable on the Web,” says CNET.
“Google has pulled links to Web sites that the controversial and litigious Church of Scientology claimed infringed copyright. The search giant was also forced recently to remove copyright video content users had uploaded and has also come under fire for its plan to digitize library collections. Amazon.com was recently sued by an adult magazine over photos in its images database, and Google was warned by the same company.”
The report goes on, “Knopf said he believed the intent of the search engine provisions was to provide a partial safe harbor, but he said that due to “drafting issues”- in other words, careless language – he’s concerned the effect may be the opposite, muddling one of the Web’s prime paradigms.”
Hopefully, “corrections or clarification can be made before the bill becomes law,” says CNET, but, “It could be a problem if it goes into law in a vague way and causes search engines to think there is a risk (and)…to cut back on their activities,” it has the EFF’s (Electronic Frontier Foundation) Wendy Seltzer saying.
“The public as a whole loses if we lose the ability to see what’s being made available online.”
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See:-
CNET News – In Canada: Cache a page, go to jail?, July 19, 2005
startled to discover – Cdn copyright bill vs Google, p2pnet, July 14, 2005
copyright infringement – Bill C-60 and Search Engines, July 19, 2005






July 19th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Unless they are complete morons… and dont know how the internet works… how can they possibly try to hold Google accountable????? Search engines just find data, and they find data based on user imput… you certainly can’t block/limit the search because people will then just use another search, and you can’t claim Google is infringing on copywrites, cause its not, its just giving you links based on what you typed in… THIS is another reason why the DMCA is soo poorly made, because it includes LINKS as a copywrite infringement… if the DMCA was made by ANYONE with a little brains and knolege about the internet, this would not have happend…. before long we wont have any internet at all, cause everything is linked in some way…. =P
July 19th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
Perhaps you aren’t aware of the concept of caching? In essence, it is storing information so that it can be retreived faster. This is usually done temporarily with a specific expiration, because web content is not, as a rule, static. Google and other search engines do use caching to help speed up response time. Those descriptions you see under the web-page link were not obtained when you typed in your search keywords. So the question is: does caching copyrighted material amount to infringing?
Trust me, I’m on your side regarding copyright. I think that lawmakers need remember that they are supposed to be working for the public and not corporate interests.
July 19th, 2005 at 7:35 pm
This is one of the stupidest things ever! You cannot sue a search engine for finding info for you! If thats the case many search engines would fail in developing newer technoliges to find stuff better. Screw the dumb bill c-60.
July 19th, 2005 at 8:12 pm
How would Google be in trouble, isn’t Google a US company? It would follow US law, not Canadian. If I am wrong, please do tell me…
July 19th, 2005 at 8:19 pm
FreeWan cells are independent networks that are linked to other FreeWan cells via the Cartel Controlled Internet. With the exception of visiting this site and a few others, I hardly directly use the Internet any more. No thanks to the spammers, unresponsive infrastructure providers, the **AA’s and the likes, there is very little on the net that one can actually enjoy.
I am able to get my movies, news, music, and software at lightning speeds from my local FreeWan cell. If what I’m looking for is not on my FreeWan cell, then the gateway coordination program checks other cells. I there is no cell that has what I searched for, then the program coordinatition program may (if configured) search the regular Internet, or I can put up a request on the FreeWan Cell’s BBS.
The spammers, **AAS, governments, and the likes cannot harrass and monitor what they what they cannot see. When I do have to send email or communicate with someone outside of the FreeWan, I use my shitty dialup service (only type of connection in my area). Hopefully some day, FreeWan Cells will be able to be connected together over independent infrastructure.
July 21st, 2005 at 5:06 am
This law does come from Canada. Remember, the government is mostly run by idiots, money-launderers, and separatists. This is a government that “lost” a billion dollars, and nobody got fired. That got elected on a tax repeal platform, failed to repeal, and still got re-elected. Currently, the ruling party is under investigation for what is clearly racketeering crimes. (You read it here first: No government official will be jailed: Only the Advertising agencies that were the “mules” in this case).
Like they have a clue. They just want to hammer on little folks that put information that they “don’t want available” on the internet.
Of course, the simple definition of it encompasses search engines, so in the end it will help the little guys who just want to provide a link “for informational purposes only”, cuz at some point a major surf engine will have to defend itself in court.