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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-18006</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes thats right, the cartels or i should say &quot;corporations&quot; copyright too. These stories are hidden in the backpages of a newspaper if they are even brought to light.

the reason for this is that the &quot;corporations&quot; hire huge and powerful lawyers and pay off the judges to rule in their favor. What about the little guy? The cartels steal most of the ideas from people who cant hire lawyers. look at what microsoft did, they didnt create the idea of Vista but they surely will start taking the credit for it, and if any opposes them they will crush em.

so why not make a group that will fight off these corporations, make a group against violations of corporations and have people to donate and then sue?

i will make this simpler: why not take the same thing the cartels use and turn it against them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes thats right, the cartels or i should say &#8220;corporations&#8221; copyright too. These stories are hidden in the backpages of a newspaper if they are even brought to light.</p>
<p>the reason for this is that the &#8220;corporations&#8221; hire huge and powerful lawyers and pay off the judges to rule in their favor. What about the little guy? The cartels steal most of the ideas from people who cant hire lawyers. look at what microsoft did, they didnt create the idea of Vista but they surely will start taking the credit for it, and if any opposes them they will crush em.</p>
<p>so why not make a group that will fight off these corporations, make a group against violations of corporations and have people to donate and then sue?</p>
<p>i will make this simpler: why not take the same thing the cartels use and turn it against them?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17990</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 11:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

Get back under your bridge, troll.

Come back and post something when you have at least half a brain...

Moronic Idiot.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get back under your bridge, troll.</p>
<p>Come back and post something when you have at least half a brain&#8230;</p>
<p>Moronic Idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17980</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would answer that, but I don&#039;t feel like being an abuse case for the patriot act.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17934</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is he or she being paid to ruin this discussion board so that we will go away?&quot;

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the only person earning money is the owner, jon - from adspace revenue. and i can assure you he does not receive any compensation or favours from the cartels - or anyone else. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is he or she being paid to ruin this discussion board so that we will go away?&#8221;</p>
<p>******************************</p>
<p>the only person earning money is the owner, jon &#8211; from adspace revenue. and i can assure you he does not receive any compensation or favours from the cartels &#8211; or anyone else. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17933</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah you&#039;re right. i wasn&#039;t complaining that i hadn&#039;t seen them :) .

but i would have expected that all the messages to/about the trolls would also have been deleted so the comments section could concentrate on the article. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah you&#8217;re right. i wasn&#8217;t complaining that i hadn&#8217;t seen them <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>but i would have expected that all the messages to/about the trolls would also have been deleted so the comments section could concentrate on the article. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17928</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t miss anything catflap, I assure you. Wasn&#039;t an intellegent troll to begin with. Most likely a bored kid with nothing to do. Funny how those come out the woodwork. 

If it wasn&#039;t a bored kid then the industry is worried that maybe, just maybe Jon has too good a thing going here. Lord, can&#039;t have that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t miss anything catflap, I assure you. Wasn&#8217;t an intellegent troll to begin with. Most likely a bored kid with nothing to do. Funny how those come out the woodwork. </p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t a bored kid then the industry is worried that maybe, just maybe Jon has too good a thing going here. Lord, can&#8217;t have that!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17870</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they probably are - or just some stupid kids playing games.

either way, it seems their posts have been deleted. i don&#039;t see them and i never did get a chance to see them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they probably are &#8211; or just some stupid kids playing games.</p>
<p>either way, it seems their posts have been deleted. i don&#8217;t see them and i never did get a chance to see them.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Aug 2005 17:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>filesharing IS NOT ILLEGAL!</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17814</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution made provisions for but did not mandate copyright law. 
The copyright laws were originally indeded to allow the creator of works *****BENEFICIAL TO SOCIETY***** a TEMPORARY privilege to make money (and give permission to allow others to make money) from the created work in order for him or her to recoup costs and have a chance to make a profit.  

Much of what is copyrighted today is NOT BENEFICIAL to society, so the question should be, &quot;Why is the material copyrighted in the first place?&quot;  The so called laws extend copyrights in many cases beyond the lifetime of the creator.  This situation is in effect a permanent monnopoly which is in direct conflict of the spirit of copyright.  The copyright laws were intended to prevent others from duplicating a work and then SELLING it and keeping the money for themmselves.  This is NOT what filesharers do.  Most any filesharer or release groups have great distain for those who sell created works without authorization from the copyright holder.

For a true copyright violation to occur, one must sell a work that is benefical to society within the LIMITED time period granted to the copyright holder.  The cartels are in the wrong because they are putting out trash that is DETRIMENTAL not beneficial to society, they bribed lawmakers to put an effectively unlimited time on copyright, and the ones who they are persecuting are not (usually) selling the work reproduced.  So, this should explain the issue of intellectual property. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution made provisions for but did not mandate copyright law.<br />
The copyright laws were originally indeded to allow the creator of works *****BENEFICIAL TO SOCIETY***** a TEMPORARY privilege to make money (and give permission to allow others to make money) from the created work in order for him or her to recoup costs and have a chance to make a profit.  </p>
<p>Much of what is copyrighted today is NOT BENEFICIAL to society, so the question should be, &#8220;Why is the material copyrighted in the first place?&#8221;  The so called laws extend copyrights in many cases beyond the lifetime of the creator.  This situation is in effect a permanent monnopoly which is in direct conflict of the spirit of copyright.  The copyright laws were intended to prevent others from duplicating a work and then SELLING it and keeping the money for themmselves.  This is NOT what filesharers do.  Most any filesharer or release groups have great distain for those who sell created works without authorization from the copyright holder.</p>
<p>For a true copyright violation to occur, one must sell a work that is benefical to society within the LIMITED time period granted to the copyright holder.  The cartels are in the wrong because they are putting out trash that is DETRIMENTAL not beneficial to society, they bribed lawmakers to put an effectively unlimited time on copyright, and the ones who they are persecuting are not (usually) selling the work reproduced.  So, this should explain the issue of intellectual property.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the Troll present here actually a hireling for the **AA cartel?  Is he or she being paid to ruin this discussion board so that we will go away?  I hope it doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Troll present here actually a hireling for the **AA cartel?  Is he or she being paid to ruin this discussion board so that we will go away?  I hope it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17811</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written the Christian Coalition a couple time to ask them to explain their stance.  I never have gotten a reply.  I finally asked them why they support an industry that is primarily responsible for the  spread of porn on TV and cable.  Still, no reply.  

I am a Messianic Jew, and am not one that likes to bash other religions.   I would, however, like to ask the leaders of the Christian Coalition to look in their Bibles start practicing the teachings contained therein.  I would also like to point out that filesharing IS NOT STEALING.  Givng away a lamb born to a sheep that you buy from a livestock auction is not stealing either.  Neither would it be stealing if the sheep was given to you. 

They should read Mattenyahu 10:8 (I think it is Matthew 10:8 in KJV).
They should also take in account the grapevine analogy.  (You can take a cutting of a grape vine and give it to friends to grow, and most people do not consider it stealing.)  These Christians should also read Daniel 7:25 about the changing of the times and laws.  Debarim (Deuteronomy) 16:19-20 admonishes those in power not to take a bribe.

Remember what I said about the grapevine?  Well, apparently, the cartels would like to take away evan that right of reproduction.  The Beast power wants EVERYTHING that each individual produces.  The Beast power consists of both the cartels and the government officials in their pocket.  These are only a few of the Scripture that the Christian Coalition should read.  But of course, the Christian Coalition is acting as if it is part of the False Prophet.  The Christian Coalition should quit supporting the industry that they even in their own words are saying is destroying American culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written the Christian Coalition a couple time to ask them to explain their stance.  I never have gotten a reply.  I finally asked them why they support an industry that is primarily responsible for the  spread of porn on TV and cable.  Still, no reply.  </p>
<p>I am a Messianic Jew, and am not one that likes to bash other religions.   I would, however, like to ask the leaders of the Christian Coalition to look in their Bibles start practicing the teachings contained therein.  I would also like to point out that filesharing IS NOT STEALING.  Givng away a lamb born to a sheep that you buy from a livestock auction is not stealing either.  Neither would it be stealing if the sheep was given to you. </p>
<p>They should read Mattenyahu 10:8 (I think it is Matthew 10:8 in KJV).<br />
They should also take in account the grapevine analogy.  (You can take a cutting of a grape vine and give it to friends to grow, and most people do not consider it stealing.)  These Christians should also read Daniel 7:25 about the changing of the times and laws.  Debarim (Deuteronomy) 16:19-20 admonishes those in power not to take a bribe.</p>
<p>Remember what I said about the grapevine?  Well, apparently, the cartels would like to take away evan that right of reproduction.  The Beast power wants EVERYTHING that each individual produces.  The Beast power consists of both the cartels and the government officials in their pocket.  These are only a few of the Scripture that the Christian Coalition should read.  But of course, the Christian Coalition is acting as if it is part of the False Prophet.  The Christian Coalition should quit supporting the industry that they even in their own words are saying is destroying American culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17808</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, and therein lies the root of the problem. It needs a major overhaul in all modern countries, without any &quot;input&quot; from the vested interests. But as long as govts pander to the big corps it aint gonna happen.

It&#039;ll probly get to the point where noone will be able to actually make anything new because they might violate 30billion existing patents. Oh yeah, that&#039;s right, that&#039;s already happened. I can see a whole lot of research and development going outside the US to countries with slightly more sane patent laws.

I just look at all the new cars that all look exactly the same as each other (except for the little model and maker badges i guess) and wonder why the car makers are not suing the pants off each other. It must be a conspiracy ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, and therein lies the root of the problem. It needs a major overhaul in all modern countries, without any &#8220;input&#8221; from the vested interests. But as long as govts pander to the big corps it aint gonna happen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll probly get to the point where noone will be able to actually make anything new because they might violate 30billion existing patents. Oh yeah, that&#8217;s right, that&#8217;s already happened. I can see a whole lot of research and development going outside the US to countries with slightly more sane patent laws.</p>
<p>I just look at all the new cars that all look exactly the same as each other (except for the little model and maker badges i guess) and wonder why the car makers are not suing the pants off each other. It must be a conspiracy <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17801</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your explanation Tone, negates mention of a little itty bitty (HUGE) issue of Intellectual Property which is cast in concrete of the Law of the land in all modern contries.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17789</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it difficult to imagine how someone would steal an entire house but anyway, in response to your comment.

1. We&#039;re not breaking and entering. Ppl who share files are giving us permission to grab a copy. Which brings me to point 2 below.

2. We&#039;re not taking things off ppl, we&#039;re creating perfect (or almost perfect) copies of them. The &quot;problem&quot; is that we&#039;re not paying the maker of the original item for our own copy. By &quot;problem&quot; i mean the makers see it as a problem, nobody else does.

Making copies is not theft. If it was, Xerox would be in big BIG trouble. There&#039;d be no difference if someone looked at an original car, and out of his own materials made a perfect copy of it. How could the maker of the original car say he stole the car by building a copy of it? The car owner still has the original car they bought off the car maker!

As long as the copier didn&#039;t try to pass it off as being built by the car maker there&#039;s jack all the makers could do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it difficult to imagine how someone would steal an entire house but anyway, in response to your comment.</p>
<p>1. We&#8217;re not breaking and entering. Ppl who share files are giving us permission to grab a copy. Which brings me to point 2 below.</p>
<p>2. We&#8217;re not taking things off ppl, we&#8217;re creating perfect (or almost perfect) copies of them. The &#8220;problem&#8221; is that we&#8217;re not paying the maker of the original item for our own copy. By &#8220;problem&#8221; i mean the makers see it as a problem, nobody else does.</p>
<p>Making copies is not theft. If it was, Xerox would be in big BIG trouble. There&#8217;d be no difference if someone looked at an original car, and out of his own materials made a perfect copy of it. How could the maker of the original car say he stole the car by building a copy of it? The car owner still has the original car they bought off the car maker!</p>
<p>As long as the copier didn&#8217;t try to pass it off as being built by the car maker there&#8217;s jack all the makers could do about it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why &quot;filesharing of course&quot; </description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5753/comment-page-1#comment-17761</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>House Burgular explains to court &quot;we are just pioneering a new distribution system your honour, those home owning cartel people have got what we want!&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 05:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 04:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! It&#039;s like this.

&quot;I see trolls...

...they&#039;re everywhere...

...they post in msg boards like everyone else...

...they don&#039;t even know they&#039;re trolls...

...And some of them...


...They post here!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! It&#8217;s like this.</p>
<p>&#8220;I see trolls&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;they&#8217;re everywhere&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;they post in msg boards like everyone else&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;they don&#8217;t even know they&#8217;re trolls&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;And some of them&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;They post here!&#8221;</p>
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