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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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For the interested, I have put the slides up for those who are interested:

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~ossa/defcon13/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the interested, I have put the slides up for those who are interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.math.chalmers.se/~ossa/defcon13/" rel="nofollow">http://www.math.chalmers.se/~ossa/defcon13/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5790/comment-page-1#comment-17999</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The previous comment was illuminating in that there will be weaknesses in the new implimentation as long as &quot;they&quot; have power over the &quot;physical medium&quot;.  

Which is why it is so critical to be able to &#039;intercept&#039; the cartels (which is illegal by definition) by the &quot;games&quot; they play.  It is important to be able to recognize the games they play.

The cartels (BSA, RIAA, MPAA, etc, etc, etc) are but &quot;ONE&quot; organization.  Their &#039;networks&#039; extend and reach into every nook and craney of our civilization, and have been doing so for centuries at least.  These cartels have an extended history of overthrow and corruption -- having infiltrated the highest levels of society and government.

These seamingly &#039;separate&#039; groups are actually a single entity through centuries of inter-breeding.  Their tactics have been extensively and thoroughly documented.  Being able to identity them and their acts in the key to preserving your rights.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. A particular weapon of choice these Cartels employ is with mind games.  The LAW, based on human language, is naturally subjected to &quot;interpretation&quot; and manipulation.  You see, the law is in reality POWERLESS if it were not FOR &#039;police&#039; enforcement supporting it.  This is true of all nations.  Enforcement is through COERCION (by physical, economic, psychological, and whatnot) and BRIBES (kickbacks, &quot;mutual assistance&quot;).

Hand in hand with the above methodology, the &#039;cartels&#039; have also employed a &quot;classic&quot; technique often seen in &quot;magical acts.&quot;  For those of your who know a magic trick or two -- the key element is &quot;Deception by Diverting the Audiences&#039; Attention Somewhere Else&quot; why you do your &#039;trick.&#039;

And this is exactly what we HAD witnissed and ARE witnessing. 

And this is the &quot;Moral Abuse&quot; on the people.  The Western world, the entire world for that matter, holds in high regards for &quot;doing the right thing&quot; and shunning &quot;acts of evil.&quot;

As a result, by repeatedly POUNDING over and over and over, into peoples&#039; heads that file sharing, and &#039;public showings&#039; of music/video, and P2P, etc --- is STEALING --- what the CARTEL has effectively archieved, is the weakening of the person&#039;s moral fibre and their ability to defend themselves.  So what we have is &quot;guilty WITHOUT the need to be PROVEN guilty.&quot;  Henceforth, currently over 12,000 &quot;lawsuits&quot; and EXPONENTIALLY escalating WORLD-WIDE to rediculous numbers.

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What the MPAA / RIAA &quot;forget&quot; to mention to address is the issue of whether or NOT they have the &quot;right&quot; (in its truest and purest form) to lay CLAIM to the &quot;works of art&quot; in question (whether music, literature, movies, or &quot;ideas&quot;).

Because when you look at history and precendent, you will see that EVERY SINGLE &#039;work of art&#039; has precedent and DEPENDED on PRIOR &#039;work of arts&#039;.  Not a single musician, produce, artist, intellectual, or any person for that matter, can claim they &quot;created&quot; it ALL ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT having learned and prospered from OTHER people&#039;s prior works.  Not a single person, not a single ground of people, nevertheless a superficial cartel can possible lay TOTAL CLAIM of a &quot;work of art&quot; as ONLY theirs alone -- to do whatever they wish &amp; to do persecute people with.

Even the instruments and tools used to &#039;create these works of art&#039; are the DIRECT influence from DIVERSE AREAS of the world --- with each nationality, each tribe, each person contributing, whether a lot or a little.  Take for example the GUITAR and VIOLIN, which are the &quot;classical&quot; and &quot;traditional&quot; musical instruments in EUROPE --- But, did you know that the Europeans BROUGHT THIS OVER FROM THE MIDDLE EAST during their centuries of religious conquest.  Heck, many many words in English are Arabic in origin.  The same is true with Science and Technology, with the West originally benefiting from the knowledge and experence of the East -- only to later surpase the East, in which we are now witnessing a second major reversal of technological prowness...

So, is it suffice to say that people and organizations have the &quot;right&quot; to &quot;copyright&quot; COMMON words and phrases (which we are witnessing now)?!

If that is the case, then every &#039;English&#039; (or if your American, &#039;American&#039;) utterance you make -- you owe the Queen of England a royalty?!  Then you might as well pay a royalty to the Queen of Sheeba and her royal descendents in Arabia!

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In essence what I have just described is the &quot;skillful&quot; art of HIJACKING --- That is, the VIOLENT act of STEALING.  Claiming something you have NO RIGHT to claim as totally yours and yours only.  

And this is what we are witnessing with Intellectual Property, or IP (TM) for short.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The previous comment was illuminating in that there will be weaknesses in the new implimentation as long as &#8220;they&#8221; have power over the &#8220;physical medium&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Which is why it is so critical to be able to &#8216;intercept&#8217; the cartels (which is illegal by definition) by the &#8220;games&#8221; they play.  It is important to be able to recognize the games they play.</p>
<p>The cartels (BSA, RIAA, MPAA, etc, etc, etc) are but &#8220;ONE&#8221; organization.  Their &#8216;networks&#8217; extend and reach into every nook and craney of our civilization, and have been doing so for centuries at least.  These cartels have an extended history of overthrow and corruption &#8212; having infiltrated the highest levels of society and government.</p>
<p>These seamingly &#8217;separate&#8217; groups are actually a single entity through centuries of inter-breeding.  Their tactics have been extensively and thoroughly documented.  Being able to identity them and their acts in the key to preserving your rights.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;. A particular weapon of choice these Cartels employ is with mind games.  The LAW, based on human language, is naturally subjected to &#8220;interpretation&#8221; and manipulation.  You see, the law is in reality POWERLESS if it were not FOR &#8216;police&#8217; enforcement supporting it.  This is true of all nations.  Enforcement is through COERCION (by physical, economic, psychological, and whatnot) and BRIBES (kickbacks, &#8220;mutual assistance&#8221;).</p>
<p>Hand in hand with the above methodology, the &#8216;cartels&#8217; have also employed a &#8220;classic&#8221; technique often seen in &#8220;magical acts.&#8221;  For those of your who know a magic trick or two &#8212; the key element is &#8220;Deception by Diverting the Audiences&#8217; Attention Somewhere Else&#8221; why you do your &#8216;trick.&#8217;</p>
<p>And this is exactly what we HAD witnissed and ARE witnessing. </p>
<p>And this is the &#8220;Moral Abuse&#8221; on the people.  The Western world, the entire world for that matter, holds in high regards for &#8220;doing the right thing&#8221; and shunning &#8220;acts of evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a result, by repeatedly POUNDING over and over and over, into peoples&#8217; heads that file sharing, and &#8216;public showings&#8217; of music/video, and P2P, etc &#8212; is STEALING &#8212; what the CARTEL has effectively archieved, is the weakening of the person&#8217;s moral fibre and their ability to defend themselves.  So what we have is &#8220;guilty WITHOUT the need to be PROVEN guilty.&#8221;  Henceforth, currently over 12,000 &#8220;lawsuits&#8221; and EXPONENTIALLY escalating WORLD-WIDE to rediculous numbers.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; What the MPAA / RIAA &#8220;forget&#8221; to mention to address is the issue of whether or NOT they have the &#8220;right&#8221; (in its truest and purest form) to lay CLAIM to the &#8220;works of art&#8221; in question (whether music, literature, movies, or &#8220;ideas&#8221;).</p>
<p>Because when you look at history and precendent, you will see that EVERY SINGLE &#8216;work of art&#8217; has precedent and DEPENDED on PRIOR &#8216;work of arts&#8217;.  Not a single musician, produce, artist, intellectual, or any person for that matter, can claim they &#8220;created&#8221; it ALL ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT having learned and prospered from OTHER people&#8217;s prior works.  Not a single person, not a single ground of people, nevertheless a superficial cartel can possible lay TOTAL CLAIM of a &#8220;work of art&#8221; as ONLY theirs alone &#8212; to do whatever they wish &#038; to do persecute people with.</p>
<p>Even the instruments and tools used to &#8216;create these works of art&#8217; are the DIRECT influence from DIVERSE AREAS of the world &#8212; with each nationality, each tribe, each person contributing, whether a lot or a little.  Take for example the GUITAR and VIOLIN, which are the &#8220;classical&#8221; and &#8220;traditional&#8221; musical instruments in EUROPE &#8212; But, did you know that the Europeans BROUGHT THIS OVER FROM THE MIDDLE EAST during their centuries of religious conquest.  Heck, many many words in English are Arabic in origin.  The same is true with Science and Technology, with the West originally benefiting from the knowledge and experence of the East &#8212; only to later surpase the East, in which we are now witnessing a second major reversal of technological prowness&#8230;</p>
<p>So, is it suffice to say that people and organizations have the &#8220;right&#8221; to &#8220;copyright&#8221; COMMON words and phrases (which we are witnessing now)?!</p>
<p>If that is the case, then every &#8216;English&#8217; (or if your American, &#8216;American&#8217;) utterance you make &#8212; you owe the Queen of England a royalty?!  Then you might as well pay a royalty to the Queen of Sheeba and her royal descendents in Arabia!</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In essence what I have just described is the &#8220;skillful&#8221; art of HIJACKING &#8212; That is, the VIOLENT act of STEALING.  Claiming something you have NO RIGHT to claim as totally yours and yours only.  </p>
<p>And this is what we are witnessing with Intellectual Property, or IP (TM) for short.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5790/comment-page-1#comment-17998</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried FreeNet, and it seems like it does offer a great degree of anonyminity and freedom.  I applaud Ian&#039;s efforts.  However, as long as the cartels and governments retain control over the transmission medium there will be vulnerablilties in tracing network communications.  

Remove the cartels and government from the medium (copper lines, fiber optics, atc) and building an independent infrastructure will make it extremely difficult for the governments and cartels to track dissidents.
Add the likes of FreeNet on top of FreeWan, then you will have a might force that will be extremely difficult to defeat.

The RIAA, MPAA, and the government will have an extremely hard time tracing something to which they cannot connect.  The FreeWan Cell in my area has NO STATIC connection to the Internet.  And yes, this network can be used to save money on movie rentals without the **AA&#039;s ever knowing if that is one&#039;s desire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried FreeNet, and it seems like it does offer a great degree of anonyminity and freedom.  I applaud Ian&#8217;s efforts.  However, as long as the cartels and governments retain control over the transmission medium there will be vulnerablilties in tracing network communications.  </p>
<p>Remove the cartels and government from the medium (copper lines, fiber optics, atc) and building an independent infrastructure will make it extremely difficult for the governments and cartels to track dissidents.<br />
Add the likes of FreeNet on top of FreeWan, then you will have a might force that will be extremely difficult to defeat.</p>
<p>The RIAA, MPAA, and the government will have an extremely hard time tracing something to which they cannot connect.  The FreeWan Cell in my area has NO STATIC connection to the Internet.  And yes, this network can be used to save money on movie rentals without the **AA&#8217;s ever knowing if that is one&#8217;s desire.</p>
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