Movie Piracy -
"Studio executives, no strangers to melodrama, have begun to talk about movie piracy the way FBI agents talk about terrorism: they watch the Web for ‘chatter,’ they embed films with hidden ‘fingerprints,’ and they speak without irony about ‘changing hearts and minds.’ They even use night-vision goggles. It’s not going too far to say they are completely paranoid, which doesn’t mean they are wrong."
‘Melodrama’ is the right word, and it comes in the intro to an online TIME story here which says last year, more than 50 major movies were illegally copied and released even before they came out in theaters, according to the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America) stats.
TIME and Warner Bros are, of course, owned by the same company and Warner Bros is, in turn, one of the Big Seven movie companies which own the MPAA.
‘Illegally copied and released’ is, of course, a euphemism for ‘they showed up on p2p networks’.
And while were doing that, the film industry raked in an absolutely staggering $52 billion – FIFTY-TWO BILLION DOLLARS [our emphasis] – and "would have made $3.5 billion more if not for piracy".
But there’s worse. Next year, "the loss may rise to $5.4 billion," laments the article.
[What about all those starving behind-the-scenes minions MPAA boss Jack Valenti always drags up when he mentions piracy? According to him, the loss of movie industry profits to 'piracy' means the bread is being snatched from their very mouths. Didn't they get any of the $52b? - Ed]
Be that as it may, "for all the talk about movie piracy, few people understand how it actually works – the stunning velocity at which copies move and how far the studios will now go to hold back this threat," says TIME. "To tell the tale of how films get to black-market stores and shacks across every continent, from Beijing to New York City and to computer hard drives everywhere, TIME tracked the winding journey of The Last Samurai. And the trajectory confirms that movie executives are right to be alarmed. But it also shows that most of their protective acrobatics are, at best, just buying time. The harder it is to get a movie, the more pirates want it. ‘It’s like a piece of gold,’ says one male American downloader. That’s an unsustainable dynamic, says Eric Garland, CEO of BigChampagne, which tracks the most popular entertainment downloads: ‘You don’t get to go to war with your core customer. You have to court him’."
The follows a long pseudo-report featuring Marc Brandon whose "office is plain and neat". Apparently, there was a time when his job was too [plain and neat, that is] – "back when, as director of antipiracy Internet operations, his chief responsibility was reminding online T-shirt companies that the studio owns Bugs Bunny".
Not these days, though. Now, "Brandon, 30, in jeans and an oversize T shirt," says the pirates dictate his daily schedule.
"In 2002 some 41 million illegal copies of movies were seized by law-enforcement authorities around the world with assistance from the M.P.A.A," says TIME. "Last year the film industry made $52 billion – but would have made $3.5 billion more if not for piracy, according to a Smith Barney estimate released in November. Next year the loss may rise to $5.4 billion."
Apparently, studio executives feel "so threatened by piracy" that they don’t even like to dignify it with the word because it has a, "swashbuckling, cool kind of feel," as Warner Bros chairman Barry Meyer is quoted as saying. But actually, "It’s theft. It’s shoplifting. It’s grand larceny."
Right now, the movie industry’s guardian angel is "slow technology", says the story, meaning it can take a long time for a given movie to download. "But 18 months from now, it may take only 2 1/2 hours, according to calculations by BigChampagne.
The weekend of Samurai’s sneak preview, an off-site security firm (which requested that it not be named, it seems, but which was probably New York’s MediaForce) "scanned file-trading networks 24 hours a day. It can fire off letters warning Internet service providers about misbehaving users, but its main weapon is the decoy file, which it dispatched by the tens of thousands.
"Downloaders spent hours pulling down the bait, only to find a mess of ones and zeros. Bored wannabe pirates added to the mass distraction, posting bogus files to get attention and create havoc. The week before the film’s release, TIME staffers found online Samurais that turned out to be Scary Movie 3, Santa Clause 2 and a porn flick.
"By the Monday after the film’s sneak preview, no pirate copies had surfaced. ‘It was a pretty amazing feat,’ Brandon says now, as if describing a matter of national security. ‘The movie very easily could have been compromised’."
It wasn’t until around 2 pm on December 6 that he learned "Samurai was online, just one day after its release in theaters" and that’s a victory, says TIME.
And, "once a movie leaks, duplicating plants begin churning out discs by the thousand," says the report. "Two and a half years ago, hard copies would hit the street about a week after theatrical releases. Today they’re usually out in 48 hours. On Dec. 13, a TIME reporter bought Samurai from a stall along Taweewong Road in Phuket, Thailand. "We’ve had Last Samurai for three days already," said vendor Nook (not his real name). At his booth, just 50 yards from an official Warner Bros. store, Samurai was available with Thai, Chinese or Bahasa Indonesia subtitles. Business has improved, Nook says, since police stopped shaking him down for a monthly $60 payoff. Now he pays just $150 a year for an official ID card. Piracy has become so normalized that it has its own bureaucracy. Two days later, a reporter bought Samurai in Shanghai. The shopkeeper, who introduced himself as Mr. Wang, displayed thousands of pirated DVDs — from Hitchcock to Schwarzenegger. The DVD cost $1. It arrived the day before, via pedicab. ‘If you want to wait a few months, you can come back for a better version,’ said Mr. Wang."
But wait -
"On Christmas Eve, another copy of Samurai appeared online and was traced back to a screener that had been sent to Oscar voters," says TIME.
"Since Warner Bros. gave out only VHS copies, the bootleg was not of great quality. But its existence is an embarrassment after a year of high-profile debate over the risks of screeners – a beloved industry perk. Valenti of the M.P.A.A. had pushed hard to fight piracy by banning all screeners outright. But independent studios complained the ban would penalize small movies trying to get award nominations. In December the U.S. district court overturned the ban. Last week Sony traced a pirated copy of Something’s Gotta Give to a screener intended for use by veteran character actor Carmine Caridi, a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. The Last Samurai and other pirated screeners have also been traced back to Caridi, according to a source close to the investigation, though it is not yet clear if Caridi had anything to do with leaking the film."
Studios have been loath to acknowledge their own holes in the security net, says the story with charming honesty, going on that in 2003 AT&T study found that 77% of online pirated films came from weak links within the movie business itself — from Academy members to critics to cinema projectionists.
But, "The report was criticized by studio execs, who found its definition of movie insiders overly broad. Nevertheless, this past year, some studios have started quietly inserting hidden markers in screeners that identify the owners. Under a new pledge, which 80% of Academy members have signed, anyone found to have leaked a screener can be kicked out of the Academy."
"So far," says the story, "Warner Bros. has traced thousands of online Samurai copies and 25 bootlegs from 12 countries to one screener and two camcorder copies. That is not a lot of leaks. But it takes only one. As downloading speeds increase and camcorder technology continues to improve, studios will be forced to put down the night-vision goggles and invent a new business model for a new world. ‘Nobody believes you’re going to dissuade people from downloading," says Garland of BigChampagne. "It’s all about co-opting that content and building businesses around it’."
And "The Last Samurai is a movie about men fighting to protect their archaic way of life," Time concludes. "Their customs stand no chance of surviving. But the samurai fight on anyway, barreling into battle with their swords drawn against the cannons and artillery guns that boom into the future."
Somehow, that strikes a chord.
January 20th, 2004 at 1:32 pm
MPAA kiss my ass
January 20th, 2004 at 2:18 pm
(Warner Bros chairman Barry Meyer is quoted as saying. But actually, “It’s theft. It’s shoplifting. It’s grand larceny.”)
Really, it isnt theft. Theft is when you take something and as a result, the owner no longer has it. this is copyright infringement not theft. If the chairman of Warner Bros doesnt know the distinction between the two then perhaps he should go back to counting the $52b he has in his kitty – maybe even spend some of it on a dictionary. If he’s too hard up to buy one, might I suggest http://www.dictionary.com
‘The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner’s consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.’
January 21st, 2004 at 1:21 am
As I was reading this article, i noticed that they mentioned there was 1 screener release of samurai and 2 cam releases, i have jsut checked on a webite that keeps track of movie releases that there are 2 screener copys and 2 cam copies
January 21st, 2004 at 3:04 pm
i swear i won’t download any more movies if i’ll be able to buy a DVD the same day a movie hits the theaters.
I just hate going to the cinema and prefer to see a movie in the privacy of my own home ….
so what ? sue me !
January 22nd, 2004 at 5:15 pm
i agree movie should be released same day on dvd as it does in theatres.
January 22nd, 2004 at 5:43 pm
Wow.. Movie pirates.. what about those who steal games and applications? Plus KaZaA isn’t a reliable source. you really can’t trust it. Unless you use **************, your not gonna get any good stuff. Besides, there are people stealing Adobe files that are worth a $#!7 load more than any godforsaken movie.
January 22nd, 2004 at 5:46 pm
AMEN BROTHERS!
January 24th, 2004 at 9:11 am
All this whining and moaning about how the movie industry makes 52b doesn’t change the fact that piracy is breaking the law. It doesn’t justify anything either. Keep up that line of thought and they might just stop making the movies everyone likes altogether. Sounds like a bunch of communist BS (”Boo hoo, people are rich, we’re not. We should steal their money!”). While Hollywood puts out a considerable amount of filthy crap every year (and if you don’t like it, you’re perfectly welcome to not watch it), there are always a few gems. Whether they made 1b or 100b wouldn’t change the fact that people are, effectively, stealing from the movie companies (blah blah, stealing, copyright infringement, you can nitpick words all you want – you are stopping them from making money which is rightfully theirs as a direct result of the effort they put into making the movies, simple as that). Why don’t people stop trying to justify their piracy by citing however much money the people they’re ripping off make? Just get over whatever moral justification you have and admit it – you’re thieves! Nothing too shameful about that… now, back to my LotR dl…
January 25th, 2004 at 3:45 pm
wathafuck? If you see a movie in theatre, you allready support the industries investment. And wath if you like it… then you probably should by an totally overpriced dvd. Well, not me… If I download something, it’s because I allready seen it in theatre or rented it before. This way I support the buisiness (stealing without doing something back THAT is wrong)…
anyway If the moviebuisiness thinks that everyone who is downloading movies, would actually by them (at the offical, really overpriced, price) if the internet didn’t exist… they are wrong and just not beeing realistic.
The industry just wants to make even higher profits… Wich is okay by me, but if they just stop beeing greedy themselfs, and spilt their profits more honnestly, instead of a couple few overpaid “big chiefs” (like some verry bad and overpaid actors…), I think the buisiness would gain even more 3.5 biljon dollars, since they don’t have to invest anymore in this stupid game!
but hey human kind won’t learn from their collective misstakes…
Won’t we all want more security.. money ect. so why is 80 % of people working to make some else rich? (I think Karl Marx was right!)
January 26th, 2004 at 2:05 am
“then you probably should by an totally overpriced dvd. Well, not me… If I download something, it’s because I allready seen it in theatre or rented it before. This way I support the buisiness (stealing without doing something back THAT is wrong)… ”
Say there’s a lemonade stand. You buy a cup for a dollar, and you like it. Later that day, you go back and steal a whole jugful. By your logic, you’ve done nothing wrong because you already gave the business operators a dollar.
I guess because you gave them something, it’s ok, even though the stolen lemonade makes it harder for them to make more of the lemonade you like when it comes to buying lemons, sugar, etc.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the movie industry makes most of its profits from rental and VCR/DVD sales. You can justify your thievery all you want with lame excuses like, “I already gave them something,” but you’re still a thief. Pirates should just get over it and admit it, instead of making lame excuses. I do. That’s all I was saying.
Without big profits, big movies that are awesome won’t be funded as much. No more Pirates of the Carribean, no more Lord of the Rings, no more Samurai. Haha, perhaps we’ll get rid of movies like The Phantom Menace, which would be great, but the loss of other movies wouldn’t be worth it.
It’s not so much the internet as what the internet allows when it comes to piracy. The piracy in Asia is insane. It gives movie makers a serious heart palpitation, simply because there’s not much from stopping something like that happening elsewhere. When people can buy movies before they’re even out in cinemas, the industry is losing money in Asia. I don’t see how anyone could disagree. I personally saw X-men II in high quality format after a kid I knew downloaded it and burned it to CD. I never bothered with the cinema, yet probably would have if piracy weren’t possible. Most software pirates could probably give at least one similar example.
Communism sounds great on paper, but it just doesn’t work. The USSR demonstrated this. China knows it, and they’re already working towards a more capitalist and free society. Communism is a failed idea of the past, incompatible with human nature (primarily, greed, lust for power, etc etc). The less free a society, the shittier it is. Capitalism is great because everyone has an opportunity, provided she’s willing to pull her head out of her ass and start thinking smart about money.
The reason 80% of people are making others rich is usually because they aren’t thinking smart about money. Twenty year olds right now are thousands of dollars in credit card debt just because they wanted the newest shiney thing or the greatest toy. If they end up slaving away for the rest of their lives to make others rich and pay off that debt, serves them right for being so stupid, I say. Stupidity is always punished, and no matter how many laws and regulations are passed to try and change it, that’s the way it will always be.
January 26th, 2004 at 9:24 am
I am trying to think a few decades down the road, and I wonder what the future of all this will be. One thing the MPAA could do to stave off downloading is get into 3D movies…those will be too big to download at least for some time. The MPAA has pretty much slacked off as far as technological innovations are concerned, and they deserve to be in this self-imposed situation.
Unless total quantum computing comes along, I believe that all forms of content will ultimately be freely available. Wait till hardware-designs start getting exchanged for yet to come nanotechnological replicators.
As a sidebar, note that P2P is setting the tone for an anarchist society. The future of the term “control” itself is being challenged.
January 28th, 2004 at 5:54 am
“Say there’s a lemonade stand. You buy a cup for a dollar, and you like it. Later that day, you go back and steal a whole jugful. By your logic, you’ve done nothing wrong because you already gave the business operators a dollar.”
LOL, actually, it’s more like if you were to buy some lemonade, then steal their lemonade recipe, then give free copys to everyone on the street. You aren’t actaully depriving them of anything, just copying.
“Without big profits, big movies that are awesome won’t be funded as much. No more Pirates of the Carribean, no more Lord of the Rings, no more Samurai. Haha, perhaps we’ll get rid of movies like The Phantom Menace, which would be great, but the loss of other movies wouldn’t be worth it. ”
and $52 billion isn’t a big profit??? Big movies make big money, regardless. The industry isn’t in any big hurt. Besides, I heard somewhere that this country CARED about its majority voice….we are after all, a democracy….oh wait, make that republican democracy? We have a vote….it just doesn’t seem to mean much…
“The reason 80% of people are making others rich is usually because they aren’t thinking smart about money. Twenty year olds right now are thousands of dollars in credit card debt just because they wanted the newest shiney thing or the greatest toy.”
Or weren’t lucky enough to be born to a family with shitloads of money and have to work their way though college. I personally owe $2000 to credit card debt because I like things like food, water and electricity…but if I see one more 12 yr old with a cell phone when I can barely afford a land line i swear i’m gonna…
“If they end up slaving away for the rest of their lives to make others rich and pay off that debt, serves them right for being so stupid, I say. Stupidity is always punished, and no matter how many laws and regulations are passed to try and change it, that’s the way it will always be.”
Well, can’t argue with that. ‘Cept not all of us are here because of stupidity, just consequence. Don’t be so quick to judge my freind.
January 28th, 2004 at 5:56 am
Deep man… I like it
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I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU! P2P IS FUCKING GAY! YOU GUYS ARE ALL FUCKING NUBS! LEARN HOW TO GET YOUR SHIT AND STOP SHARING LIKE LITTLE GAY FUCKS RUINING IT FOR US ALL! I HATE STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU!
….and i rest my case.
January 29th, 2004 at 1:12 am
You’re a moron. You don’t know how to reason your point.