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	<title>Comments on: FedEx and DMCA vs Jose Avila</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-19418</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-19418</guid>
		<description>As an agent for DHL , let me explain that you do not pay for the packaging.
Express envelopes, boxes, padded packs are free from DHL, as well as those other guys.
I would love to have the positive press that could have been generated by 
Mr.Avila.
I would be happy to give Mr.Avila, and anyone else, free supplies, if you sign up with my company and use DHL
gary.gallo@freightsavers.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an agent for DHL , let me explain that you do not pay for the packaging.<br />
Express envelopes, boxes, padded packs are free from DHL, as well as those other guys.<br />
I would love to have the positive press that could have been generated by<br />
Mr.Avila.<br />
I would be happy to give Mr.Avila, and anyone else, free supplies, if you sign up with my company and use DHL<br />
<a href="mailto:gary.gallo@freightsavers.com">gary.gallo@freightsavers.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18572</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18572</guid>
		<description>just an FYI, FedEx packaging are FREE and not charged to your account... whoever commented that you pay for it and it generally charges to your account, pls get your facts straight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just an FYI, FedEx packaging are FREE and not charged to your account&#8230; whoever commented that you pay for it and it generally charges to your account, pls get your facts straight!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18533</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18533</guid>
		<description>To ship by FedEx (or UPS, DHL etc) you have to purchase the shipping package, be that a box, padded packs, express envelopes or tubes (it generally goes on your account). If you are shipping something that is in its own box already, you don't need to pay - but then I don't see that Mr Avila is making his furniture out of any other boxes - he would have paid for the boxes he has made his furniture out of.
If FedEx had been less reactionary and more imaginative they could have got some great publicity out of Mr Avila and his site, unfortunatley, they have tried bullying him and it has back fired on them. They may well find that a lot of people stop shipping with them - I certainly won't be shipping anything for myself or my company via FedEx again (and my boss - the CEO - has approved that decision). &#62;:-}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To ship by FedEx (or UPS, DHL etc) you have to purchase the shipping package, be that a box, padded packs, express envelopes or tubes (it generally goes on your account). If you are shipping something that is in its own box already, you don&#8217;t need to pay - but then I don&#8217;t see that Mr Avila is making his furniture out of any other boxes - he would have paid for the boxes he has made his furniture out of.<br />
If FedEx had been less reactionary and more imaginative they could have got some great publicity out of Mr Avila and his site, unfortunatley, they have tried bullying him and it has back fired on them. They may well find that a lot of people stop shipping with them - I certainly won&#8217;t be shipping anything for myself or my company via FedEx again (and my boss - the CEO - has approved that decision). &gt;:-}</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18466</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18466</guid>
		<description>Didnt see the place to put my name. Jeff Davis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didnt see the place to put my name. Jeff Davis</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18465</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18465</guid>
		<description>Hey! I love your creativity! THe most that they can nab you for is misuse of a packing material.  I hope their lawyers get the message to %&#$ OFF! I hope you keep building your stuff and your site. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! I love your creativity! THe most that they can nab you for is misuse of a packing material.  I hope their lawyers get the message to %&#$ OFF! I hope you keep building your stuff and your site.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18404</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 03:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18404</guid>
		<description>It is FedEx's choice not to charge for shipping. FedEx also has a bit with the boxes in recieving them that says you agree not to use the shipping for other purposes than intended. 

Do I agree with FedEx's choice to use DMCA as a method? No. I long ago stated the DMCA wasn't just for the RIAA's use when they promised at the time to only use it for its intended purpose when the bill was being legislated. Please! It is a national law, how in the world can it be limited to just the RIAA? In the DMCA is also no penalities for false claims. No reason for any corporation, business, nor individual to consider that false claims could backfire. Here is the standard ploy of using law to overwhelm anyone else without disposable income into submission. While FedEx has legal ground to stand on and make this case one in which it has merit on the side of FedEx, is it right? Again we see the laws being used to prevent any sort of business oppurtunity that might come up. FedEx sees themselves as funding the private business through the free boxes. I see the kid as working with what he has to do something. If FedEx is willing to just give boxes away then that isn't the kids problem. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is FedEx&#8217;s choice not to charge for shipping. FedEx also has a bit with the boxes in recieving them that says you agree not to use the shipping for other purposes than intended. </p>
<p>Do I agree with FedEx&#8217;s choice to use DMCA as a method? No. I long ago stated the DMCA wasn&#8217;t just for the RIAA&#8217;s use when they promised at the time to only use it for its intended purpose when the bill was being legislated. Please! It is a national law, how in the world can it be limited to just the RIAA? In the DMCA is also no penalities for false claims. No reason for any corporation, business, nor individual to consider that false claims could backfire. Here is the standard ploy of using law to overwhelm anyone else without disposable income into submission. While FedEx has legal ground to stand on and make this case one in which it has merit on the side of FedEx, is it right? Again we see the laws being used to prevent any sort of business oppurtunity that might come up. FedEx sees themselves as funding the private business through the free boxes. I see the kid as working with what he has to do something. If FedEx is willing to just give boxes away then that isn&#8217;t the kids problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18398</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18398</guid>
		<description>AND WTF DOES THIS MEAN?:
"...Avila clearly intended to operate a business from his website because he used the .com domain suffix, the "commercial level domain," rather than .net."
Are you retarted... or just stupid???  WTF does the .com thing prove???? &#62;_&#62;  MORONs!

I hope you fail totally fedex, and I hope Avila switches to UPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND WTF DOES THIS MEAN?:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Avila clearly intended to operate a business from his website because he used the .com domain suffix, the &#8220;commercial level domain,&#8221; rather than .net.&#8221;<br />
Are you retarted&#8230; or just stupid???  WTF does the .com thing prove???? &gt;_&gt;  MORONs!</p>
<p>I hope you fail totally fedex, and I hope Avila switches to UPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18396</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18396</guid>
		<description>I never thought anyone would be so anal... LOL

I'll take my business to UPS now... =P

Why the fck would they be mad about someone using their boxes to make furnature??? &#62;_&#62;  sheeesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought anyone would be so anal&#8230; LOL</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take my business to UPS now&#8230; =P</p>
<p>Why the fck would they be mad about someone using their boxes to make furnature??? &gt;_&gt;  sheeesh</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18388</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/5885#comment-18388</guid>
		<description>This whole thing is a prime example of DCMA and other so called intellectual property abuses gone awry.  This C&#038;D is just proving the arrogance of the cartels.  I would like to know exactly how much money did this desk cost FedEx.  If this geek stole the boxes he used for the furniture, I could understand where there would be a case.  However, it appears that he ordered the boxes and FedEx sent them.  

The only thing that I can think that FedEx might be worried about is if they sent these boxes for free to anyone that asks, then a whole bunch of people might try building furniture with free boxes from FedEx.  If that is the case, FedEx should have contacted Mr. Avila and explained the situation and how it might hurt FedEx.  If I had a similar website set up and Fed Ex called me to tell me how this is costing them money, I would have taken my site offline.  However, the publicity generated from this type of bullying is going to hurt FedEx more than Mr. Avila.

Corporate bullying is becoming so bad that even conservatives are finally becoming aware of all the abuses by the cartels.   Today, I was listening to a right-leaning show on Talk Radio101 (WYOO) called, the "Attack Machine".  He said that he did not buy music but rather downloads it from the Internet.  Only when the big corporations manage to get most of the population of the P.S.A. to hate them will things change, and right now, they are sure working on it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing is a prime example of DCMA and other so called intellectual property abuses gone awry.  This C&#038;D is just proving the arrogance of the cartels.  I would like to know exactly how much money did this desk cost FedEx.  If this geek stole the boxes he used for the furniture, I could understand where there would be a case.  However, it appears that he ordered the boxes and FedEx sent them.  </p>
<p>The only thing that I can think that FedEx might be worried about is if they sent these boxes for free to anyone that asks, then a whole bunch of people might try building furniture with free boxes from FedEx.  If that is the case, FedEx should have contacted Mr. Avila and explained the situation and how it might hurt FedEx.  If I had a similar website set up and Fed Ex called me to tell me how this is costing them money, I would have taken my site offline.  However, the publicity generated from this type of bullying is going to hurt FedEx more than Mr. Avila.</p>
<p>Corporate bullying is becoming so bad that even conservatives are finally becoming aware of all the abuses by the cartels.   Today, I was listening to a right-leaning show on Talk Radio101 (WYOO) called, the &#8220;Attack Machine&#8221;.  He said that he did not buy music but rather downloads it from the Internet.  Only when the big corporations manage to get most of the population of the P.S.A. to hate them will things change, and right now, they are sure working on it.</p>
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