Comments on: Mother of 5 takes on Big Music http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062 p2pnet.net offers not-your-lamescream news on movies music digital media P2P peer-to-peer TV television file sharing freedom of speech open source product news Wifi mobiles company news games video games game consoles security marketing DRM Internet radio web radio Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:51:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19437 Reader's Write Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:46:58 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19437 More info also at http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/ More info also at http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19436 Reader's Write Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:43:56 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19436 The above link is dead. The story is on slashdot today too. http://riaalawsuits.us/elektra_santangelo/ has the court documents. http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/17924 also covers the story. BTW, there are several more holes in the RIAA cases, but probably they'll be exploited as needed on an individual basis. The above link is dead. The story is on slashdot today too.

http://riaalawsuits.us/elektra_santangelo/ has the court documents.
http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/17924 also covers the story.

BTW, there are several more holes in the RIAA cases, but
probably they’ll be exploited as needed on an individual basis.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19325 Reader's Write Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:40:26 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19325 could you list some of the free anonymous proxy servers... at least the better ones? Thanks TV could you list some of the free anonymous proxy servers… at least the better ones?

Thanks

TV

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19273 Reader's Write Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:24:25 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19273 OK, well, I'd love to know how that one would work :) I think you'd have a tough time passing a law that forced ISPs to keep all information indefinitely, considering the outcry that certain ISPs have already gotten over keeping such information, and the ongoing and increasing problems with private data theft. Mandating that consumer privacy be endangered just in case a couple of organizations want to sue the consumers wouldn't go over very well. Changing ISPs to avoid being found would probably be illegal already. The trick would still be finding the person who changed ISPs. If the records aren't there, then nothing can be done. OK, well, I’d love to know how that one would work :) I think you’d have a tough time passing a law that forced ISPs to keep all information indefinitely, considering the outcry that certain ISPs have already gotten over keeping such information, and the ongoing and increasing problems with private data theft. Mandating that consumer privacy be endangered just in case a couple of organizations want to sue the consumers wouldn’t go over very well.

Changing ISPs to avoid being found would probably be illegal already. The trick would still be finding the person who changed ISPs. If the records aren’t there, then nothing can be done.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19260 Reader's Write Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:20:51 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19260 ...and a month later they start lobying for a law that makes ISP shifting illegal... running & hiding from them is not a good strategy - it postpones the lawsuit for later when someone like FBI starts collecting IP & RW adresses, only full-on assoult in court can win this war... ...yeah and I know it's easy for me to speak, since I'm not the one sued... …and a month later they start lobying for a law that makes ISP shifting illegal…
running & hiding from them is not a good strategy - it postpones the lawsuit for later when someone like FBI starts collecting IP & RW adresses, only full-on assoult in court can win this war…

…yeah and I know it’s easy for me to speak, since I’m not the one sued…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19256 Reader's Write Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:30:07 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19256 Hmmm...from what I've read, the prior efforts of the **AA were found illegal (the part where they used the DMCA to obtain info on users from ISPs without notification of the end user). So what they're doing now is filing "John Doe" lawsuits, subpoenaing the information from ISPs in a more traditional way. As for ISPs, many (such as Comcast) delete their logs after a time when a customer leaves. Not sure if that includes who had what IP address, but if it does, their privacy statement says they get rid of the information after they no longer need it for billing purposes and if there is no pending legal need for the info that they're aware of. I don't know of any law that requires them to keep such info indefinitely. Do you? In other words, if you leave the ISP and they delete the logs before the subpoena arrives, then the **AA is SOL, it would seem. At least, that's my theory. Still trying to get more info. Hmmm…from what I’ve read, the prior efforts of the **AA were found illegal (the part where they used the DMCA to obtain info on users from ISPs without notification of the end user). So what they’re doing now is filing “John Doe” lawsuits, subpoenaing the information from ISPs in a more traditional way.

As for ISPs, many (such as Comcast) delete their logs after a time when a customer leaves. Not sure if that includes who had what IP address, but if it does, their privacy statement says they get rid of the information after they no longer need it for billing purposes and if there is no pending legal need for the info that they’re aware of. I don’t know of any law that requires them to keep such info indefinitely. Do you?

In other words, if you leave the ISP and they delete the logs before the subpoena arrives, then the **AA is SOL, it would seem.

At least, that’s my theory. Still trying to get more info.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19253 Reader's Write Mon, 29 Aug 2005 04:32:49 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19253 I believe ISP's are required by law to keep IP logs for some period of time so that local/state/national law enforcement agencies can use them to track any number of illegal activities...with proper search warrants. Of course, the Patriot Act allows anti-terror organizations access to this information at will, without a warrant, without your knowledge, and makes it a crime for the ISP to inform you that access was given. I believe ISP’s are required by law to keep IP logs for some period of time so that local/state/national law enforcement agencies can use them to track any number of illegal activities…with proper search warrants. Of course, the Patriot Act allows anti-terror organizations access to this information at will, without a warrant, without your knowledge, and makes it a crime for the ISP to inform you that access was given.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19251 Reader's Write Mon, 29 Aug 2005 03:21:08 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19251 Well, they already sued a dead grandmother... Well, they already sued a dead grandmother…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19242 Reader's Write Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:05:29 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19242 Yeah, it would be interesting to know. If the ISP in question simply doesn't know who had the IP address, that would pretty much do it for the lawsuit. And if the suing organization tried to go after whoever has the IP address now, they'd be in for embarrassment and possibly a counter-suit. As for simply having a lost or destroyed computer, that I'm not so sure of. If the IP address can be traced back to you, then I'd think the lawsuit could go forward. It would be interesting to see if a rash of file sharers rotating ISPs would shut down RIAA attempts to nail people, given the fact that it must take SOME time to file a John Doe lawsuit and issue a subpoena to get the info. Yeah, it would be interesting to know. If the ISP in question simply doesn’t know who had the IP address, that would pretty much do it for the lawsuit. And if the suing organization tried to go after whoever has the IP address now, they’d be in for embarrassment and possibly a counter-suit.

As for simply having a lost or destroyed computer, that I’m not so sure of. If the IP address can be traced back to you, then I’d think the lawsuit could go forward.

It would be interesting to see if a rash of file sharers rotating ISPs would shut down RIAA attempts to nail people, given the fact that it must take SOME time to file a John Doe lawsuit and issue a subpoena to get the info.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19241 Reader's Write Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:42:44 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19241 lol, i wouldn't know, and I dont know how reasonable that would be... but that might work XD... I also wonder that if it takes them that long to do... then what if someone has lost their computer/sold since then... wouldn't that mean the evidence against that person has also been lost? Here's another situation: A family is accused of illegal file sharring, but 3 months after everything they own was destroyed in a house fire! No computer or data left, and the family is already in major financial problems... I'd greatly wonder what the RIAA would do then... lol If they still pressed charges, they'd gain greatly bad publicity... lol, i wouldn’t know, and I dont know how reasonable that would be… but that might work XD…

I also wonder that if it takes them that long to do… then what if someone has lost their computer/sold since then… wouldn’t that mean the evidence against that person has also been lost?

Here’s another situation: A family is accused of illegal file sharring, but 3 months after everything they own was destroyed in a house fire! No computer or data left, and the family is already in major financial problems… I’d greatly wonder what the RIAA would do then… lol If they still pressed charges, they’d gain greatly bad publicity…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19240 Reader's Write Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:29:13 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6062#comment-19240 OK, so here's a question... How long, after the RIAA nabs an IP address as someone to go after, will they subpoena an ISP for the information? The only info I've seen comes from stories like this where the "John Doe" lawsuit seems to be filed roughly half a year after the fact. With that being the case, why not simply change ISP's frequently, and contact your former ISP to make sure they delete all logs of which IP addresses you had at the time? This should foil any attempts at discovery, should it not? OK, so here’s a question…

How long, after the RIAA nabs an IP address as someone to go after, will they subpoena an ISP for the information? The only info I’ve seen comes from stories like this where the “John Doe” lawsuit seems to be filed roughly half a year after the fact.

With that being the case, why not simply change ISP’s frequently, and contact your former ISP to make sure they delete all logs of which IP addresses you had at the time?

This should foil any attempts at discovery, should it not?

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