RIAA victim talks to p2pnet
p2pnet.net P2P News Special:- Patricia Santangelo is the New York mother who’s becoming celebrated as the first of approaching 14,000 ordinary men, women and children to stand up to the Big Music cartel’s terror tactics as it tries to literally sue people into becoming buyers of its discredited products.
Brian Robertson, ex-president of the cartel-owned CRIA (Canadian Recording Industry Association), once reported the multi-billion-dollar music industry is being “devastated” by file sharers and file sharing. And yet, the number of overall units of music formats shipped to retail distribution channels increased by 4.4% year-over-year, a 3.3% increase in retail value compared to 2003, states the cartel’s RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America).
The number of CDs shipped in the US last year rose 5.3%, a 2.7% increase in value compared to the previous year and, “The DVD music video format continues to experience extraordinary growth, with a 66 percent increase in music shipments from record companies to retail outlets and special markets distribution channels and a 51.8 percent increase in value (list price),” it states unequivocally.
Lately, there’s been a tendency for people and organizations to cozy up to the corporations. However, the tide is turning as more and more individuals around the world log on to discover they now have voices which are being heard above the self-serving clamour set up by the entertainment and software cartels. ‘Consumers’ have become customers and clients again, instead of the mindless cash-cows which have made the Big Four so wealthy.
p2pnet recently carried a Q&A with Santangelo’s lawyer, Ray Beckerman. He told us, “We will fight to the end … The RIAA will give up long before we do, because sooner or later it will dawn upon them that their attorneys are taking them for a ride.”
In a second p2pnet Q&A, Santangelo says she, too, is here for the duration.
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p2pnet: Hi, Mrs Santangelo. Before we get down to the questions, thanks very much for talking to p2pnet.
You’re becoming a heroine online and offline and your stand against the RIAA and the Big Four record label cartel that owns it will make a huge difference both to the way the Net functions, and how p2p is perceived by people who may not have come across it before.
You’re the first of close to 14,000 people who’s decided you’re not going to be pushed around by the record labels. How do you feel about that now, particularly in light of all the media attention your case is drawing?Santangelo: The attention was quite a surprise. I had no idea when I chose to hire Mr Beckerman that I was the first to say No to a settlement.
p2pnet: Are your family and friends behind you?
Santangelo: Yes. Everyone has been very supportive.
p2pnet: You’re reported to have said you’ve never used Kazaa and that, further, you didn’t even know what it was before the RIAA turned up on your door-step. It’s also been said the software belongs to a friend of your children’s and was installed without you, or anyone else in your family, knowing about it. Is that an accurate summary?
Santangelo: That’s correct. I had no idea what Kazaa was or what it was used for. I think of software as an actual disk that you hold in your hand so I’m not sure about that or how it was installed. The screen-name that was used for the Kazaa account did not belong to any of my children is what I said. I never said that one of my children did not know this person had a Kazaa account.
p2pnet: Even though you hadn’t heard of Kazaa, did you know what an mp3 was? And had you come across the term p2p (peer-to-peer) before?
Santangelo: No. I had no idea what either a p2p or an mp3 was.
p2pnet: Had you heard about file sharing before you caught Big Music’s eye? And if you had, what were your impressions of it?
Santangelo: I had never heard of file sharing.
p2pnet: We understand the RIAA’s settlement centre told you the labels wanted $7,500 out of you. Can you recall what was said? And what was the manner of the person who spoke with you?
Santangelo: That was the original amount that was asked of me. However, it was reduced to $3,750, if I remember correctly. At the time I was called, there was no music on my computer because it was only three or four months old. I’d recently moved and they had my old address and the computer we had at that location had been destroyed by a virus. So when I was told that I needed to sign some type of statement saying that myself, or someone in my home, was responsible for this “crime,” I had nothing to actually look at except a court paper with an IP address. There was no file sharing company or account at that time. I couldn’t accept that.
p2pnet: What was your first reaction?
Santangelo: Fear, like most people, I suspect.
p2pnet: When did you decide you weren’t going to put up with the bullying, how did you go about finding legal representation?
Santangelo: I stopped answering my phone for a little while and started to research what it was all about because, like I said before, I had no idea. I decided after reading about the Jane Does that this was so very wrong and that I’d let them name me with their lawsuit.
Unfortunately, finding an attorney to handle this was not so easy. I made a lot of phone calls and spoke to friends and came up empty. That’s why I appeared in court in May alone. The judge told me to try and find an attorney. I started looking online and found a website called the Electronic Frontier Foundation. There was a link for lawyers and that is how I finally found Mr. Beckerman.
[NOTE: "I've never had a situation like this before, where there are powerful plaintiffs and powerful lawyers on one side and then a whole slew of ordinary folks on the other side," said US district judge Nancy Gertner in Boston a little more than a year ago. And US District Judge Colleen McMahon, who’s already had a “glimpse of the case," told the cartel's lawyers in reference to the Pay Us Or Else intimidation tactic that the settlement center was no longer to be involved and that she'd, "love to see a mom fighting one of these" - Ed]
p2pnet: Your children’s friend is apparently named on the subpoena. That looks a little like the cartel is trying to go to the well twice. Do you know if he or she has been asked to settle, and if so, for how much and what is he/she going to do?
Santangelo: I know nothing about anyone besides myself being named on a subpoena, sorry.
p2pnet: Have you personally heard from the RIAA again since this all began?
Santangelo: I’ve heard from them once since I went to court in May. It wasn’t really the RIAA but the settlement center representing them and I explained to them what Judge McMahon had said in court about me finding an attorney and that I would not be settling with them.
p2pnet: You’ve already had Pay Us Or Else threats leveled at you. If you lose this case, you could end up facing a lot more than $7,500. What’s your reaction to that?
Santangelo: Right now I’m surviving on pure faith that these cases against random IP addresses are wrong and that’s all I can think about right now.
p2pnet: If you triumph, and we’re sure you will, the Big Four record labels will be in an extremely dangerous position. Their entire terror campaign will collapse around their ears. They’ve already abandoned several cases for various reasons. Suppose they decide it’s not worth risking that you’ll win and they decide to drop their charges against you? What then?
Santangelo: Honestly, that would be a relief. But it solves nothing if they can continue doing the same thing to other people like me. I didn’t know I was the first person to take it this far. Since hiring Mr Beckerman I’ve learned a lot, and realize that this isn’t just about my case: it’s about the legal rights of all the people who are being unfairly sued.
p2pnet: Assuming your case ends up in court, how far are you willing to go?
Santangelo: I’m willing to take it as far as I have to to prevent other innocent people being dragged into frivolous lawsuits. It’s wrong.
p2pnet: The record companies say file sharers are devastating them? Does that seem to be a reasonable proposition?
Santangelo: I have three teenage children who love music and I think that’s a great thing. I can’t count the amount of concert tickets and cds that I’ve purchased over the past few years, and I still have two younger ones who are showing the same love for music. I find it hard to believe that file sharing could impact record companies to the point of devastation. There are some people, apparently, who copy and sell CDs, and that is piracy and they are the ones that need to be stopped. That’s just wrong.
p2pnet: Is there anything you’d like to say to other people who, like you, are being pilloried by Big Music?
Santangelo: Don’t let your fear of these massive companies allow you to deny your belief in your own innocence. Paying these settlements is an admission of guilt. If you’re not guilty of violating the law, don’t pay.
p2pnet: And finally, when will you open an e-payment account so people can start helping with your defense fund : ) ?
Santangelo: I’ve been very stressed about how I’ll handle paying for my defense. My only relief from this stress has been the amount of supportive people from all over the country who have offered their help. It’s amazing! I’m looking into the best way to set up a defense fund that will help me continue the legal proceedings and to stop this from ever happening to another innocent person.
After researching this Kazaa network I realized that if everyone who ever did share a file would donate $1 that would be more than enough to put an end to the RIAA terror campaign.
Jon Newton – p2pnet
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Stay tuned.
If there’s something you think we should know, tips[at]p2pnet.net
See:-
stand up – New York mom battles Big Music, August 15, 2005
extraordinary growth – Big Music sings the blues, April 19, 2005
“devastated” by file sharers – Hands across the border, December 5, 2003
Ray Beckerman – Mother of 5 takes on Big Music, August 28, 2005
Nancy Gertner – Big Music vs Ordinary Folks, August 20, 2004
settlement center – File sharing, p2p criminals, March 12, 2005
Kazaa network – Kazaa decision due Monday, September 4, 2005
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win – Mohandas Gandhi
September 4th, 2005 at 4:32 pm
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September 4th, 2005 at 6:17 pm
Nice to see someone stand up to these gangsters. I will not buy a CD from any big labels anymore. I will suppprt those that do not sign up with these gangsters. How ever I will download and file share mp3’s of those that do. Entertainers should put there efforts into entertaining and the money will come. Make money from live concerts. Cd’s and mp3’s are like advertising for the concerts. The cost of music is way to high and criminals like RIAA want to keep it that way.
September 4th, 2005 at 6:38 pm
Thank you for your courage in standing up for what is right and for the rest of us.
September 4th, 2005 at 7:00 pm
Thank you, Mrs Santangelo. It’s long gone time that someone had the courage to stand up to the music industry.
You’ll be an inspiration to a lot of people and let’s hope the mainstream press give as much attention to this as they do to something with no value whatsoever, such as yet another completely insignificant iTunes or Napster marketing event, which they treat as ‘news’.
I take my hat off to you.
Morg
September 4th, 2005 at 8:46 pm
I, like many other freedom of oppression individuals are willing to donate to your defense fund Mrs Santangelo. Just tell us where and when.
You are a person of great character and integrity. We wish you all the best, and await a successfull verdict.
September 5th, 2005 at 4:22 am
I think it’s very interesting that i haven’t seen news of this in any of the mainscream media that i’m aware of.
Makes me wonder, why not?
Also I sincerely hope she wins this, but i’m afraid that the xxAA’s won’t just sit around and let her stop them so easily.
September 5th, 2005 at 8:00 am
In other words, they may well drop the case. As Jon’s piece says, if she wins, the whole bully-tactic falls over. Safer not to chance it.
Anyone know what’s happening about he UK sharers who are standing up to the BPI?
Chris
September 5th, 2005 at 10:22 am
It seems to me that requesting an individual to pay you several thousand pounds/dollars etc. for something which they are assuming that the individul has downloaded and then further threatening to ‘wreck their lives’ if they don’t, is tantamount to blackmail.
September 5th, 2005 at 10:27 am
sorry about the mis-spelling . i.e. ‘individual’
September 5th, 2005 at 12:27 pm
I don’t think anyone has yet, Chris. Or in France. Or anywhere else.
But if I’m wrong and you know who’s done, or is doing, a Santangelo, please let us know.
Cheers!
September 5th, 2005 at 2:56 pm
Agreed, if I would get the chance (like via paypal or so) I would donate as well.
Greets,
Blizz
September 5th, 2005 at 3:51 pm
Same here. Those ridiculous lawsuits should end here.
September 5th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
In the UK there is an criminal offence called “Obtaining money with menaces” which i think applies in this situation. I think blackmail is when you threaten to reveal a secret, so that wouldn’t apply. Although it would be good if it did as it carries a mandatory prison sentence.
Emil
September 5th, 2005 at 5:08 pm
Mrs Santangelo’s stand is now also on boing boing, MTV, techdirt, slashdot, digital music news, Slyck and a lot of other places. But, as Tony and Morg point out, significantly, so far, none of the mainscream media outlets have picked it up.
Big surprise.
But you can help change that. Post her story all over the place and if you have anything to do with student or any other media, try and get her a bit of coverage.
Cheers!
(PS – Just in case you’re thinking, ‘That’s in the US – nothing to do with me,’ remember the cartels are after everyone, everywhere. This is just the North American manifestation. The BPI is nailing people in the UK, the French RIAA clone is doing the same in France. And so on …..)
September 5th, 2005 at 5:42 pm
Shame on our elected officials, and especially Orrin Hatch, who have been easily swayed by their lust for money. They so easily forgot the difference between the corrupt cartel and the people who once trusted and elected them. I’m sure we’ll see a lot of these officials start backing away, but thanks to the internet, their statements and actions against hard working people will never be allowed to fade away.
September 5th, 2005 at 10:42 pm
Why not set up an escrow account to collect?
This will make sure that all funds are used properly i.e. to fight her case – that way there is no chance of the Lokitorrent shenanigans.
People would have confidence in this and if publicised well, I am sure she would have quite a good contribution to her finances !!
September 6th, 2005 at 7:19 am
I think this simple, “everyday” Mom is so wonderful that I am practically in tears.
I have a PayPal account. This magnificent lady will have my donation the moment I can figure out how to get it to her.
This “everyday” Mom is going to bust the RIAA down to it’s corrupt knees. She is not just an “ordinary, everyday Mom”. She is a GIANT, and she needs our help, people.
We sure as hell could use more Moms just like her.
Wih Love & Respect,
[From Canada].
September 6th, 2005 at 10:41 am
Your date is off there in that you display a date of 2005-08-17. Also you write:
“Slyck has an excellent interview with Patricia Santangelo..”
The interview is on this site, not on Slyck.
September 6th, 2005 at 12:35 pm
As an also RIAA victim I support Patricia Santangelo.
Many RIAA record companies have made records without licenses from us for the use of songs composed by my late father. Sony alone has about 20 of these records. The case is in court, stalled since 2001 because of corruption in the legal system. Millions of records have been produced without licences or payment of royalties by RIAA members. Using RIAA members as examples, the smaller record company do the same thing. Not a single cent paid to us by any record company since my father passed away in 1993. Before that, it was probably the same way… no license, no royalties. Thanks to RIAA and their look alikes.
Back to Santangelo. Some advise:
-Set up a legal defense contibution account. Many and I will contribute.
-Countersue RIAA for mail fraud, if as you say, you never copied songs. This way RIAA cannot withdrawd the case. Ask for punitive damages of 10 percent of RIAA sales or 500 million dollars. New York is a punitive law state and such damages may be asked. Anything less is not really punitive and will not put the breaks to abuse for good.
Best of luck.
Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com
September 6th, 2005 at 1:17 pm
Yes and the blackMAILERS are LAWYERS that work for RIAA…. anything for money. The question is will the Sanangelo lawyer chicken out so as not to acuse the lawyer. The same old lawyer protects lawyer scam? Hope not.
September 6th, 2005 at 1:24 pm
This is the U.S.A definition:
BLACKMAIL – A criminal act of extortion, malicious threatening to do injury to another to compel him to do an act against his will. Usually involves the threat to release information, often true, about the person that will defame his reputation or bring criminal actions against him.
It is a criminal act and additionally the pushers of the blackmail can be sued.
RIAA is also acusing Sanangelo of being a criminal and that is difamation.
All in all, it looks pretty bad fot the RIAA gangters.
September 6th, 2005 at 1:42 pm
Did this lady ever heard of keeping up with her kids ?
What ever happened to parentual responsibilities ?
Parents are responsible for their kids’s actions even if it’s going to cost her a lot of money to pay the riaa.
Downloading music in the united states without paying the record labels the required royalities is illegal plain and simple.
September 6th, 2005 at 2:52 pm
You are right, to a point. The American people is responsible for the gestapo type goverment of King George it has put in place and has tolerated.
Being responsible for what other MAY have done in violating an anti-freedom law (remeber when slavery was legal, as instituted by the other King George and the Supreme Court?), according to what the croocked RIAA lawyers (who are frequently crooks themselves), backed by the Copyright Office (which is almost as badly managed as FEMA – not minimally helpful in determiningg what is in the public domain, and thus legal to freely copy), that is really being far fetched.
September 6th, 2005 at 3:03 pm
me too. tell me where
September 6th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
AMEN.
you got that right ………………………
the riaa and mpaa are yorkshire hogs wearing double breasted zoot suits and spats.
They look like gangsters and politicians.
Like the beatles used to sing about in their “piggies” song off the white album.
“see the liitle piggies in their starched white shirts playing the dirt ”
” In their lives there’s something lacking what they need is a damn good whacking “
September 6th, 2005 at 11:41 pm
It’s all very mysterious. I’ve read previously that some of the sharers threatened by the BPI haven’t backed down, and that they’re being taken to court – and indeed it’s easy to find this ‘fact’ repeated all over the anti-sharing parts of the web, including NME.com. But even the BPI’s own site gives no details whatsoever. The page with the press release about it
http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=news/legal/news_content_file_943.shtml
is actually blank!
Have they quietly dropped the cases? What a story that would be, if true…
Come to think of it, I can’t even see it reported that their ISPs did hand over their names, although they’ve been ordered to do so by the court. Do the people even know who they are? If so, how do the BPI know they’re not backing down? I’m not sure I believe a word of it.
Anyone know any more? Is anyone who’s been on the receiving end of a writ reading this?
Chris
September 6th, 2005 at 11:46 pm
I don’t think they can afford to just drop it.
Even if they DO try to quietly drop the case, too many people
know about the particulars now ( no thanks to Mainstream Media ). It APPEARS to be a defense than can be solidly used in any case they bring … ie Admit Nothing, force them to show SOLID proof. Even considering the potential differences in cases, and the reduced burden of proof in civil cases, there still has to be SOME proof, and the way they are doing things, they will never be able to provide that proof.
To survive this they HAVE TO go all the way, hoping to drive the victim so far into the financial toilet in the process, so that the victim will surrender.
If the RIAA back out OR lose, the effect for them will be the same.
No more fear.
I sincerely hope she can hold on till the end, I think it will be a long road.
Dreddsnik
Boycott-RIAA
September 7th, 2005 at 12:07 am
— it’s easy to find this ‘fact’ repeated all over the anti-sharing parts of the web, including NME.com. But even the BPI’s own site gives no details whatsoever —
That’s SOP. Goebbels developed the technique during WWII. Say something often enough and eventually, it’s accepted as fact. This disinformation practice works particularly well when you control large sections of the media, as did the Herr Doktor.
George W makes good use of it as well.
Cheers!
September 7th, 2005 at 5:20 am
Folks I gotta tell you, what you have been waiting for is showing up in just this sort of story. That of absolute innocent people being caught up in the drag net when inaccurate reporting comes around as to who is doing what by ip number with no proof whatever that such is the case.
Even then, the highway robbery that is being hoisted off on people accused of infringement is telling in how it is done and the way it is being used. This is nothing short of extortion by clubbing people with the law.
It was how boycott came to be, this very tactic. Do refuse to buy cartel products. Simply be vocal about it; let others know that it isn’t acceptable and that anyone of those within hearing range could be victim the same way as Santangelo has been done.
The one thing the cartels will hear loud and clear is the bottom line. You don’t buy, they will have to figure out what is wrong. If you live in another country outside the US, don’t think you are safe. You aren’t. Every industrialized nation is being put to the fire to uphold these same idiotic laws world wide. If it isn’t at your doorstep now, it will be soon.
Be vocal, be political, be active in this issue or you will one day wake up to why your player you bought last year either doesn’t work or has issues with whatever the copyright protection of the day is. They depend on your money to exist, without it they are another broke company trying to get back in the good graces of their customers. I have no good graces for the cartels as they exist now. No sympathy from me for them. They used it all up long ago. I vote with my wallet and not a penny goes to the cartels.
HOW ABOUT YOU?
September 7th, 2005 at 6:02 am
Let’s hope the EFF and the public can help out.
Is there a money donation to help her out?! If so, I (as with many others) would mind shelling out a few bucks. With many, many people, this can add up. Heck, if we win then we will set precedent — so yes, this is VERY important!
September 7th, 2005 at 10:26 am
She’s doing a great job in regards to parental responsibilities and being a good role model, because rather than allowing herself to be bullied by settling, she is standing up for what is right by fighting them.
September 8th, 2005 at 6:08 am
While I agree with most of your statment,do you have to include a lame political statment as well?It only diminishes what your trying to convey and turns less informed people off.
I personaly think George W is ok.And as an informed person who is able to make up my mind based on facts,not what the media passes for facts,choose to agree with you.Politics is devisive.We need to be of a like mind when battling grifters like the RIAA.We can’t afford to loose anyone through personal poilitcs.
Respectfully,
Ricosauvie
September 8th, 2005 at 7:59 am
i think you missed the point of the article, hesrself and her children are entirely responsible since they all claim not too own the account in question. Her computer was efectively hijacked by a friend who used the account without consent, hence the files being shared on her machine.
Her defence will need too include proof of this I guess.
Remember some reasonable doubt, that she knew anything about the account, which could reasonably constitute as a technical issue that at that time she would know little or nothing about, since many people have no exposure or interest in these matters.
Part of the RIAA prosecution will need too disproove her ignorance of these issues at the time the account being used.
Remember this is a test case which could go against the industry, so just saying she was in the wrong prior to the case being heard is predudice to this case.
September 23rd, 2005 at 7:42 am
I own a popular website that deals with filesharing and I have thousands of hits per day and a strong community. I guarantee I could generate a lot of cash for this court battle!! I also have 40+ affiliate sites who would post donation links.
Battle them to the end, and we are all with you all the way!
P2PUnited would get involved too if you contact them!
December 3rd, 2005 at 6:39 am
i wish death and poverty on all the RIAA..
but be happy
jesus loves you!
December 5th, 2005 at 2:07 pm
That’s ridiculous. An IP address can match someone else’s as well. They aren’t all unique.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
It strikes me that the bully-boy protection racket tactics employed by Organised Media might be used against them…
They demand that those they randomly choose pay several thousand pounds/dollars etc. for something which they assume that the individul has breached copyright over [without proof] and then threaten to ‘wreck their lives’ if they don’t. This is indeed tantamount to blackmail or demanding money with menaces.
Ok, so the gloves are off. Time for a bit of quid pro quo methinks!
If they are going to use gangster-style intimidation tactics to wreck peoples lives, perhaps we should adopt the same approach with some of the xxAA’s staff/lawyers/management? It’s surely not that difficult to find out where they live, and would be fairly simple to apply a little bit of “personal” pressure to get them to lay off. If they carry on, maybe somebody ought to threaten to send the boys round to have a word with their kneecaps……..They would be able to avoid the issue if they would withdraw their spurious and heavy-handed suits. In the meantime, perhaps they may wish to get used to the idea of hospital food…….administered through a straw.
They might currently be hiding behind their big pal, the american judicial system, [is that an oxymoron?] but there are more of us than there are of them and one day, they will metaphorically get caught without their big mate!
I’d like to see them try to type some of those writs with broken fingers…..
Greedy bastards.
December 26th, 2005 at 9:16 pm
Dear Mrs. Santangelo,
PLEASE let us know where to donate to your legal fund. It is outrageous that a corporation of hooligans (the RIAA) would try to put the squeeze on you. You have my deepest sympathy and support.
Best Regards,
C.D.
Menlo Park, CA
December 27th, 2005 at 2:00 pm
How to donate to this woman?
December 27th, 2005 at 3:52 pm
1. Why cannot Mrs Santangelo press charges against the RIAA for illegally accessing her computer under various laws protecting against computer hacking?
2. If the RIAA simply used KAZAA to look at her computer to see what files are available then how do they know they were real music files and not just names of records? unless theyactually downloaded the files in which case would they not be violating the P2P user policy of downloading copyrighted material?
3. What evidence would they actualy have, if they took these files from her computer without her access they the evidence should not be allowed as it was illegally obtained, and again back to #1, would they not be in violation of the laws by accessing a computer without permission.
4. What about subpoening all the technology they use to infiltrate the computers, in this P2P her computer would be the server and they would have to track it by IP and MAC Address.
5. Was there any specially developed software that goes into the suspected computer to search for files? again Illegal to do this without permission.
I am sure there are many other questions but why can’t she take the fight to them?
April 28th, 2006 at 12:25 am
Can someone start a group to hire lobbiest. Because most the US congessmen are already in the RIAA/MPAA’s pockets
November 5th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
Im sure these millionare companys have already purchased the judge and the prosicuter, So all i can say is she better have a team of top notch lawers.
November 11th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
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Date: 11/11/2006 11:55:23 AM
To: webform@paypal.com
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——-Original Message——-
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To: Barbara Dully
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March 12th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Jingle bells copyright sucks every1 knows that…. lah lah lah not listening to copyright cuz they mean
March 12th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
ole ole ole ole ole ole ole coryright is the worst. ole….. leo leo leo leo fu(k it…. i want limewire ‘^’ wahhhhhhhh!!!!
*tears everywhere*
March 13th, 2007 at 10:18 am
WTF COPYRIGHT IS SO GaY. i hate it
March 13th, 2007 at 10:21 am
whats so good abbout no limewire? gov is yuk e… blah blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:18 am
How did the RIAA know that Patricia Santangelo had downloaded these songs?
Snooping around ….Could it be a violation of PRIVACY!
Case Closed
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 am
Fuck Them All…………………even METALLICA Cocksuckers
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:23 am
I Dare any Company to Fuck with me
I’ll fuckin XPLODE
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 am
My IP is 70.82.217.80
I’m Waiting