Jehovah’s Witnesses v Cdn site
p2p news / p2pnet:- The Watch Tower Society, used by the Jehovah’s Witnesses to promote religious worship, has sued a Canadian website for posting religious works online. The statement of claim (TIFF format) argues both copyright infringement (for the materials posted online) as well as trademark infringement (for the use of the domain watchtower.ca).
A quick review of the site suggests that the creator is very aware of Canadian copyright law as it features dozens of quotations but only limited full-text. Moreover, the full-text that does appear on the site seems to be older works that are now in the public domain. The site provides a full disclaimer and features a copyright notice that the materials are for private study and research purposes.
The Statement of Claim outlines six reasons why the Society believes the content on the site should not be treated as fair dealing. These include (i) alleged trademark infringement with the domain name; (ii) alleged misleading conduct with use of trademarked terms in the meta-tags; (iii) the reproduction of thousands of pages of materials; (iv) the reproduction of dozens of articles; (v) the absence of restrictions on the use of the site; and (vi) the creation of a search engine to search materials on the site.
It is difficult to speculate whether this case will proceed to trial, but, if it does, it would provide an interesting opportunity to see how the principles articulated by the Supreme Court of Canada with respect to user rights are treated in the online environment.
In breaking down the fair dealing argument, it is difficult to see how the trademark complaints are relevant to the analysis. Similarly, the absence of restrictions on the site and the availability of a search engine don’t provide compelling reasons to lose a user right. The remaining two issues, which amount to claims of too much copying, will likely be the bigger questions and they turn on a legal analysis of evidence yet to be presented. A cursory review suggests that much of the content would be viewed as fair dealing since there are a large number of limited length quotations that would benefit from the SCC’s liberal interpretation of fair dealing.
One side note: there should be no surprise that a claim was not launched under CIRA’ s CDRP since this is clearly not a case of cybersquatting.
Despite claims that the site is being used to embarrass the religion, the CDRP would likely treat this site as a good faith (no pun intended) use of the domain.
Michael Geist
[Geist is the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law at the University of Ottawa. He can be reached by email at mgeist[at]uottawa.ca and is on-line at michaelgeist.ca.]
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September 16th, 2005 at 2:28 pm
Lame lawsuit,by cult leaders desperate for control.
The Watchtower magazine publishers are themselves the plagiarizers of the world.Their core doctrine,(Jesus return to power in 1914) is stolen from the second Adventist.
Why,their own literature (Awake magazine) has quoted from the adolescent ‘Seventeen’ Magazine countless times.
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Danny Haszard Bangor Maine
September 16th, 2005 at 3:01 pm
I don’t understand why Jehovah’s Witnesses would take legal action to stop someone from publishing lengthy excerpts from back issues of the JWs’ publications.
First in consideration is the fact that the excerpts are taken from publications which were once widely distributed by the Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves. Everyone knows how JWs pester the general public to read their literature.
Second, Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that GOD selected them in 1919 to be His sole representatives on earth, and that GOD now speaks to mankind through the literature published by the WatchTower Society.
Based on those beliefs, can we next expect Jehovah’s Witnesses to claim copyright on GOD’s original instruction manuel to mankind: the HOLY BIBLE, with possibly more lawsuits for those who dare excerpt the HOLY BIBLE?
Whoops, I forgot. Jehovah’s Witnesses do have their own “New World Translation of the Holy Bible”, which the JWs do in fact have copyrighted.
The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses are so upset as to file a lawsuit in order to stop the publication of their own past teachings pretty much speaks for itself. The fact that the JWs themselves label their own past teachings as “embarrassing”, and say that the publication of such has caused them loss of “goodwill” amongst the general public also pretty much speaks for itself.
One can’t help but wonder: WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? TRUTH has nothing to fear from the LIGHT of day.
Most people know what things need to be covered and hidden with dirt.
September 16th, 2005 at 6:53 pm
The Jehovah’s Witnesses religion -directed by the Watchtower Society- is a powerful printing empire with earnings almost reaching $ 1 Billion USD per year [http://www.watchtowernews.org/Top40NYCcorps.htm]. This corporation has found several loopholes to dodge taxes under the cloak of a religious charitable organization and curiously has no record of passing any amount of it to charity.
The fact is that the Jehovah’s Witness, as a religion, is little less than a cult that has delivered incalculable suffering to many of its followers through family shunning and even death by having rejected modern medical treatments such as vaccinations, tissue transplants and blood transfusions. The Watchtower demands their followers to “not make use of your independent thinking, which was invented by Satan himself” in an attempt to control its followers and re-write its own embarrassing history and doctrine. So I am not surprised the Watchtower is trying to silence Quotes web site.
I studied Quotes web site mentioned above and concluded that regardless of copyright laws, all quotes are given with ample context, without criticism or even commentary. This cult seems to locate Satan in every subject and object in order to implant fear anf fobias; They have made heavy use of pyramidology, predicted the end of the world (about 7 times), teach that the United Nations is “The Beast of Revelations” that must be repelled, (but secretly signed up as a NGO at the United Nations for more than 10 years) and freely give ridiculous and often lethal medical advice to its followers. So if the Watchtower finds their own quotes “embarrassing” -as stated in the lawsuit- Iâd like to see Quotes web site a mandatory reading for every Jehovah’s Witness before they sign up âliterary- their life away to a printing corporation under the cloak of a charitable organization.
September 16th, 2005 at 10:36 pm
It seems to me the legal implications of a suit like this could have significant impact on web-freedom in Canada.
The Quotes site is run by just one man in his spare time. One could say he provides a public service by offering an alternate view of a very large, corporate-run religion.
It would be a shame if this lawsuit were settled before court simply because the little guy can’t afford a long, protracted battle with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Would there be interest within the legal community in Canada, to provide some pro-bono work, in the interest of free speech?
September 16th, 2005 at 11:13 pm
Mr Geist…Thanks so much for taking the time to write about this situation. One hopes the Watchtower Society will reconsider their lawsuit or at least cease to proclaim themselves as defenders of free speech.
September 17th, 2005 at 12:46 am
Thank you for posting this.
For over a century, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has charged little more than the cost of production for its publications stating repeatedly in print that their chief aim is to get their message communicated as widely as possible. If, as the claim asserts, they are concerned that comments taken out of context would cause misunderstandings with regard to their teachings, it seems that the thorough citation provided by the Web site beside each quote gives ample opportunity for the reader to challenge the context on their own.
In my opinion, it should be embarrassing that they feel it necessary to stamp out quotes from their own publications. But it hardly seems fair that this embarrassment caused by their own words should create a judicial need to silence the free exchange of ideas.
George Santayana wrote, “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Imagine if he’d changed his mind later and then demanded no one ever quote him again. If all the written works in history were viewed as unquotable just because they might embarrass some, how little we would know about anything.
September 17th, 2005 at 1:40 am
i think we all shouldn’t make judges on what only God can do for as humans we all should keep embrassing bashing to ourselves and learned the difference about cults.
For all religions can go to the extreme on many things for as pounding things into ones head.
September 17th, 2005 at 2:38 am
Well when an organization claims to speak for God it would seem to me their words would ring true and be above any criticism. As it stands they simply dont want ANYONE looking at what most definitely appears to be not so divinely inspired writing. Even a cursory review of the Quotes website will reveal they have less than a cornerstone for anything that resembles a “true” religion.
September 17th, 2005 at 2:46 am
Concerning Mr. Geist’s observation that the “amount” of copying will be an issue for the court to deal with. It would be interesting to see what percentage of the Watchtower’s words have been copied by Quote’s site. I would expect it would have to very minute considering the amount of publishing the Watchtower does decade after decade.
September 17th, 2005 at 3:55 am
The Watchtower Society had to come to be in order to protect the right of the Jehovah’s Witnesses to worship freely including the legal protection of the preaching work. The Society is not a charity. The Society’s money does not benefit no one individual or group of individuals. The money is used in most part for the printing and distribution of literature and the maintenance of facilities and personel. No one individual of group of individuals have access to the money of the Society for personal gain of pleasure. All members of the Jehovah’s Witness are members of the Society. The Society is not a person but a society of persons acting together for a cause.
The Society has a good track record when if comes to legal matters. If the legal matter in question has no merit then so be it but the Society has the right and obligation to defend it’s interest to the best of it’s ability.
September 17th, 2005 at 5:00 am
What bothers me about lawsuits like this from the Wt is its a double standard they claim someone is misquoting them even if whats quoted is true and in context.Yet its a proven fact the WT itself is guilty of misquoting time and again.
All one has to do is look at their trinity booklet,KIT or NWT to see how they are the ones guilty of misquoting others andits sites like Quotes and freeminds for example that have done a great job exposing this and the WT thinks by shutting down these sites the job of exposing them will stop.It simple won’thappen theres to many boards and chatrooms out there doing just this samething.can the WT stop them all?Certainly not.
I would suggest the WT look at itself and stop grasping for straws with these pathetic lawsuits.Its nothing more than trying to bully others into doing what the WT wants.
I also agree with an eariler comment about the WT claiming to be “God’s mouthpiece” if this is true does God need this kind of actions to protect himself?Does truth fear untruth?Whats it seems is the WT is well aware of their own handwriting has exposed their lack of truth and is trying to sweep it under the rug.
I have downloaded Quotes site when i heard about this and have it all saved it would be ashame if the WT got away with this attempt to cover its rear so we will see how it goes and whoelse they try to bull to close their site done.I pray these sites remain open and continue to do a great job exposing the WT and giving quotes that are very much in context unlike the practices of the WT itself.
September 17th, 2005 at 10:33 am
This poster is obviously a Jehovah’s Witness, since like most JWs, the poster knows very little about the workings of the Watchtower Society or JWs.
First, the WBTS did not come into existence to protect the legal rights of JWs. The WBTS was formed in 1881 as a publishing company to spread the religious beliefs of Charles Taze Russell. It then took several decades of accumulating followers of Russell before the cult became large enough to even resemble a religion. The subgroup which developed and took on the label Jehovah’s Witnesses did not develop until the 1920s and 1930s.
It is true that the numerous Watchtower corporations are chartered by the world’s governments as religious not-for-profit corporations, but this poster obviously doesn’t understand that the corporate structures are similar to regular for-profit corporations. All JWs are not Members of any of the Watchtower corporations. Each Watchtower corporation has a specific number of hand-selected Members, who act like stockholders. These Members meet annually and vote to elect a Board of Directors, who then in turn meet to elect Corporate Officers.
The Board is elected annually and can do just about anything they legally want to do with the corporation’s assets. The Officers serve at the Board’s pleasure, and basially do what the Board directs.
The fact that the replying JW poster knows none of this proves the original poster’s point that out of 6.5 million JWs scattered across the planet, there is a small handful of men in Brooklyn, New York who totally control billions of dollars of assets and cashflow worldwide, and the rest of the 6.5 million JWs do not have a clue how such cashflow and assets are utilized, or whether such cashflow and assets are utilized properly or improperly.
I would challenge any JW in the world to request a full and complete audit report for the main Watchtower corporation for any recent year. Not only will that JW not receive such, they can be assured they will be marked for excommunication if they purse the denied request.
Frankly, the Watchtower Society could financially support Al Quaeda, or even be a Brooklyn Mafia front organization and no regular JW would ever have a clue, because Watchtower corporate leaders have never fully disclosed where all the money goes. Those few JWs who have ever tried to find out were not JWs very long.
September 17th, 2005 at 10:55 am
Having been a JW for thirty years I left after 30 years. I live in Sweden. I can tell you that the Society is carefully monitoring the public internet to see which critical sites they can stop. This is a fact, I don’t want to point to the source. Much of this activity is governed from headquarters in Spain. It is a sad fact that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses has adopted much of the tactics used by their former oppressors, the Communists of Eastern Europe and the Roman and Orthodox Churches, also mostly in the East.
September 17th, 2005 at 7:27 pm
For somone who is not a JW and obviously doesn’t want to be one his(or her) interest in the WT organization is remarcable. I personally am not new to the JW’s. I was born and raised in the faith but due to lack of maturity I just wondered around without faith for over thirty years. Now I am a baptized member of the organization.
The board of directors and corporate officers of the WT decide how to use the money that comes in. Their record shows they’re doing a great job.
Several years ago a French gov. body denied that WT in France should be tax exempt so it went ahead to determine how much the WT there recieved in donations and what not.
It was discovered that the average amount that each Witness contributes per month was the equivalent to $6USD.
Quite modest condidering that so many other religious organization fleece there flocks by asking for ten per cent of each ones income.
The Organization is run entirely by voluntary donations. There has been instances when a specific amount has been required for some literature, depending on the country or other matter.
September 18th, 2005 at 8:12 pm
Each story always has two sides. While Jesus allowed opposers to
say what they wanted, he shut the mouths of many who were
determined to hurt people by division and negative words.
The person who says he was a member for 30 years and now
spends day and night writing articles about the WT needs to get
on with his life. All that energy could be used to help the poor,
needy and even move to the Gulf and help restore those ravaged
by the floods of the hurricane. Move on with your life. Live by
the Sermon on the Mount. Be merciful, at peace, meek and always
remember, “Love never fails”. Contribute something to the world
you can be proud of. There is already enough negative attitude.
September 19th, 2005 at 3:02 pm
Doesn’t the Bible say that you should freely give of the Good News. Our congregation spends quite a sum purchasing books and materials from different individuals and organizations. However, we GIVE (yes give and not ask for “donation”) these books to any who is interested in reading them. We do give 10% of our income to where their is a need. This money can be used to make sure that people have food, are able to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkote), or to help a neighbor repair a car. When the Bible talks about tithing, it is talking about bringing 10% of the INCREASE (of crops) to the storehouse that it may be for the fatherless, widow, stranger, and Levite. If someone does not fall within these catagories, then they have no business taking the tithe.
Corporate, or organized religion (listed as a 501c3) is mostly a sham. The Bible talks about these types of religious organizations. In fact, the Bible has a name for corporate religion, and that name is “The False Prophet” Each corporate religion has its piece of truth, and that piece of truth is used to snare the seekers into the web of lies that follows. Corporate religious organizations are given the privilege of tax exemption by government authorities in so much that they do not trumpet the corruption of the governments (The Beast).
Jehovah’s Witnesses are right in the fact that the Messiah was not born on christmas day, they are also right in the fact that He was not resurrected on easter sunday. He was crucified on Passover (a yearly high Sabbath) on a Wednesday and was ressurrected late Saturday afternoon satisfying the sign of Jonah (3 days and 3 nights in the grave). The Messiah was nor born on christmas day, he was born about the seventh month anywhere from Yom Teruh (Day of Trumpets) to the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkote). Jehovah’s Witnesses are right about their attitudes towards birthdays and many other traditional holidays. I find that most Jehova’s Witness a decent people who try to understand the Bible as best they can. However they are also misled and fleeced by the “higher ups” in their organization.
If you want to develop a real understanding of scripture study first the Torah (First 5 books of the Bible), read the rest of the “Old Testament”, then read the “New Testament” Pay attention to the 10 Commandments and try to practice the holy days listed in Leviticus chapter 23. Read the “New Testament” to find out what was really “nailed to the cross” (Hint, it WAS NOT the LAW!!!). Do the study on your own and as best as you can preferably without a “pastor” to “guide you.” You will find the lies of the organized church’s stand out.
If you don’t want to take the time to do all of that, a book called “Fossilized Customs” is sort of like a cliff notes version.
Yeshua (Jesus) did much of His preaching outside and in people’s houses. The Temple in Jerusalem is the only place where I know of that a specific building has to be used in worship. Houses are fine places for congregation meetings. Read the Word and learn the truth for yourself. People have been deceived and robbed of what is rightfully theirs by the False Prophet. Anyway, here is my .02.
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September 20th, 2005 at 7:33 pm
Let’s compare: . 1. Watchtower has corrected their past mistakes and wants to teach only corrected information, while some troublemaker continues to insist that old errors (from 50, 75, 100, 125 years ago) somehow reflect badly on Jehovah’s Witnesses today. . . 2. Nazis and Stalinists raped, tortured, mutilated, decapitated, maimed, and killed even children because of their genetic makeup and family backgrounds. . . . If you want to be taken seriously, don’t use such ridiculous logic.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:44 pm
In practical terms, a particular copyright is forfeited whenever a pattern of use-tolerance by the writer/publisher can be demonstrated. I suspect that Watchtower is far more interested in protecting their trademark rights and copyrights than in preventing anyone from reading old publications.
September 20th, 2005 at 7:55 pm
Come on! It’s just silly to pretend that Jehovah’s Witnesses are unique in their willingness to trust a central committee to conscientiously administer the organization’s affairs and assets. Couldn’t some conspiracist start croaking about the nine US Supreme Court justices who effectively trump both other branches of government? And don’t even get me started about the infallible pope…
September 20th, 2005 at 8:07 pm
Thanks! I got a good belly laugh out of the suggestion that Jehovah’s Witnesses give LESS of themselves than other Christian groups. A person is not even counted as a Jehovah’s Witness unless he works at preaching EVERY month. And this preaching work is not in an air-conditioned house teaching your own kids about Noah’s ark or inside your cozy church sharing a thought about a scripture; this preaching work is walking door-to-door with a bible in your hand hoping that no one screams “ef you I’m catholic!” out the front door before you can even open their gate. Next to the government, Watchtower is the largest inplant publisher in the USA, and every bible, book, brochure, magazine, cassette, CD, and tract is distributed without charge. The only apostle who was obsessed with people donating enough cash was Judas.
September 20th, 2005 at 8:19 pm
Actually, Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that today only the bible speaks for God. Modern Witness literature is explicitly understood to be NOT inspired of God. Over the decades, the progression of Witness teachings bears evidence that Watchtower truly has been receptive to reviewing their writings and making corrections when warranted. That’s why this continued focus on decades-since-superceded writings is so frustrating for Witnesses and so misleading to outsiders
September 20th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
Yes. And if you believe that I have some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.
September 20th, 2005 at 8:30 pm
The majority of the money is not made by the “preaching work” but rather donated by the members themselves. This is the whole purpose of the “preaching work”; to make more members.
More members equals more money and power.
Think about this next time your out sweating in the “preaching work.”
September 20th, 2005 at 8:36 pm
1. The Watchtower has never even ADMITTED that they have made “mistakes,” much less “corrected” them.
2. These other groups started out with good intentions too. Let’s pray the pattern followed is not similar also.
September 20th, 2005 at 10:17 pm
Well I agree to a degree with the poster calling the comparison to Nazism and Communism ridiculous logic…..but the JW’s certainly do use some of the same tactics – shutting down anyone who disagrees with fear of expulsion.
If you kick out everyone who disagrees you don’t have unity you have uniformity.
And there is that long list of children who have died from lack of blood transfusions, and for what?
September 21st, 2005 at 1:35 pm
This JW apologist wrote:
“… this preaching work is not in an air-conditioned house teaching your own kids about Noah’s ark or inside your cozy church sharing a thought about a scripture; this preaching work is walking door-to-door with a bible in your hand … .”
I don’t know how long you have been a JW (who are obsessed with keeping statistical track of everything they do with regard to “preaching”), BUT JWs do in fact count “hours”, number of “return visits”, and the number of “bible studies” for the time that they spend preaching in their own “air-conditioned house” teaching their “own kids about Noah’s ark”.
Additionally, JW males also count “time” when they travel to and deliver “public talks” at either their own “air-conditioned” Kingdom Hall, or a neighboring “cozy church” (Kingdom Hall).
ALSO, the Watchtower Society does NOT distribute for “FREE” all the materials you list. Individual JWs are required to “donate” back to the Watchtower Society the retail value of any materials they obtain for personal use or distribution.
This arrangement is nothing more than a SCAM to keep the Watchtower Society from paying sales tax to state governments, thus violating Jesus Christ’s instructions “to pay back to Caesar what is Caesar’s”.
JWs who know as little as you about your own Watchtower religion should not be disputing with nonJWs on public discussion websites.
September 21st, 2005 at 1:49 pm
True Christians respect and treasure the writings of Bible scholars in the 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s.
95% of Jehovah’s Witnesses have never read Watchtower publications which were published in the 1960s.
WHY?
Because they are told not, because the Watchtower Cult leaders do not want today’s victims to know about their ridiculous FAILED PREDICTION that Armageddon would occur in October 1975.
It is all the FAILED PREDICTIONS for years past, such as 1874, 1878, 1881, 1914, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1921, 1925, etc., etc. that is behind what you deceitfullyly call “warranted corrections”.
“Jehovah’s Witnesses” are a plague on mankind, and are blasphemers of the name they hijacked.
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:19 am
This is so off the wall!
Of course, an organization needs money to function. The early Christians keep a pot with the money of the “organization” back in the first century, Why? … because they were organized. Judas was stealing from the money that Jesus and his disciples kept for taking care of things that needed money. Do the math, almost 7 million JW’s across the world, of course there’s a lot of money involved. Yet still when the French goverment declared that the Watchtower over there had to pay taxes it only brought to light on average each JW over there contributes only 6USD a month. A group of people united for a cause get organized. I benefit greatly from my organization even though I don’t contribute much mostly due to my present circumstances. The Society isn’t demanding money from me nor does anybody know how much(if any) does each individual member contributes. It works great.
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:35 am
["I suspect that Watchtower is far more interested in protecting their trademark rights and copyrights than in preventing anyone from reading old publications." ]
I would say you have a point there. I have access to WT works from the 50’s and sometimes it’s even funny the way the Society handled things back then. The thing is that the Society isn’t trying to hide past teachings. Anybody can have access to those teachings. My parents and I have very old books that serve to demonstrate how the understanding has gotten clearer through the years. At the beginning of the 20th century we even celebrated Christmas. Anyone can go to the Watchtower in NY and there’s a small museum there where they even have recordings of speeches of Russell and Rutherford. So, no, obviously the Watchtower doesn’t need to hide past teaching. On the contrary, it even gives a sence of pride because it only shows that the lights does get brighter with time if you realy follow bible principle.
September 23rd, 2005 at 12:47 am
I have access (as 100% of JW’s do)to WT works from the 50’s on up and sometimes it’s even funny the way the Society handled things back then. The thing is that the Society isn’t trying to hide past teachings. Anybody can have access to those teachings. My parents and I have very old books that serve to demonstrate how the understanding has gotten clearer through the years. At the beginning of the 20th century we even celebrated Christmas. Anyone can go to the Watchtower in NY and there’s a small museum there where they even have recordings of speeches of Russell and Rutherford. So, no, obviously the Watchtower doesn’t need to hide past teaching. On the contrary, it even gives a sence of pride because it only shows that the lights does get brighter with time if you realy follow bible principle.
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:12 am
Yes, but what is this “cause” you mention.
September 23rd, 2005 at 5:00 am
“One man’s garbage is another man’s tresure,”
September 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
I said nothing about the Nazi. Nor did I compare the Society’s acts to that of Stalin. Obviously you never took the time to really read the post. I said that the Society is acitve in finding out which sites they can shut down, and they will grab every opportunity they can. Nor did I say anything about things of the past, to the contrary, I’m talking about their activites TODAY.
So, in these respects they are using some of the tactics used by their former oppressors, the Communists of Eastern Europe before the Iron Curtain fell. I think this is very clear from my post. The Society has NEVER to my knowledge said ‘we were wrong’. Never, whoever you are out there. The day they do, I’m ready to start attending meetings again.
That day will never come, I suppose. Take a Valium and simmer down.
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September 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Please read what I wrote. I never mentioned the Nazism. You are the ridiculous one here, go re-read the post (mine) that started the thread! I mentioned in my post the eerie similarity between the Communists and the Society in not accepting critcism, and I used the Internet as an example of that.
Please respond to what I did say, not to what I DID NOT say!
Do I make myself clear enough for you?
September 27th, 2005 at 8:43 pm
IS their light getting brighter? Or is the following more the case?
“But the way of the wicked is like complete darkness. Those who follow it have no idea what they are stumbling over.” Prov. 4:19
September 28th, 2005 at 7:17 pm
JW=Cult
September 28th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
I was lucky enough to meet the man behind the Quotes site when I decided to attend an x-jw get-together in Canada a couple years ago. I was very impressed by his personality, intelligence and struggle to help others, including his mother open their eyes to the reality behind the JW religion. I am FOREVER THANKFUL to people like him and others who shared information online with those seeking answers to doubts that never were answered while attending the kingdumb hall. He, like many others who have had the veil lifted from their eyes feel the extreme desire to help people escape from this negative religion. For that he is someone I’m very proud to have broken bread with and I hope he succeeds in this battle with the Watchtower Society.
October 17th, 2005 at 3:45 am
Work? HA! yes work your poor children out of bed on SAT mornings and encourage them to skip their homework and have hopes of having a life as a child living in America…make them see/read the beautiful pictures on the pages of literature, the “perfect” world we all strive to live in…..images from the publications showing devastation and destruction from the “LOVING” GOD they’re taught to fear…yep….its work boy….man, it’s work to get through all the therapy you’ll need to realize that in our society, you might need an education..and writer…… WE ARE a part of this world that JUDAS was?….as well as JESUS when he helped the prostitute…. which is it for you?…..give me a break..!! I KNoW…..AND YOU…want a tee shirt…you want some credit for building this ARK like NOAH/?…..OK…why do you keep changing/accepting the rules…???? that GOD instructed???THIS boat wont float… COLLEGE is OK now?…the BIBLE AID to UNDERSTANDING is obsolete???/ OK…….yeah right…
October 17th, 2005 at 3:45 am
Work? HA! yes work your poor children out of bed on SAT mornings and encourage them to skip their homework and have hopes of having a life as a child living in America…make them see/read the beautiful pictures on the pages of literature, the “perfect” world we all strive to live in…..images from the publications showing devastation and destruction from the “LOVING” GOD they’re taught to fear…yep….its work boy….man, it’s work to get through all the therapy you’ll need to realize that in our society, you might need an education..and writer…… WE ARE a part of this world that JUDAS was?….as well as JESUS when he helped the prostitute…. which is it for you?…..give me a break..!! I KNoW…..AND YOU…want a tee shirt…you want some credit for building this ARK like NOAH/?…..OK…why do you keep changing/accepting the rules…???? that GOD instructed???THIS boat wont float… COLLEGE is OK now?…the BIBLE AID to UNDERSTANDING is obsolete???/ OK…….yeah right…
January 3rd, 2006 at 1:13 am
You will be pleased to know that a UK version has been launched. The site looks like it will be bigger than Peter Mosier’s original. New Quotes have been added along with a critique. At this point in writing the author has got up F for finance, hence me coming across this thread.
There’s even advertising in Google for it! (Although they have done a metacrawl on it yet)
and guess what it is called http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk
Richard