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		<title>By: p2pnet.net - the original daily p2p and digital media news site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Three-tiered internet</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which can be on a specific FreeWan network, on the Net, or on both, explains William Keeley in a p2pnet [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-139811</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read with great interest..... however I can&#039;t help but compare FreeWan to the old BBS days.  I remember them with great fondness but sadly it is one step back to hopefully take two steps forward....  I did love and miss the more intimate nature off BBSs.   Though the hardware changes the system seems the same.... I for one hope many more of these kinds of sideways moves will continue facilitate the average person.  

To hell with GREEDY CorpoRat Screwballs....!!! 


Ecology before Economy... Freedom to all....!!!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read with great interest&#8230;.. however I can&#8217;t help but compare FreeWan to the old BBS days.  I remember them with great fondness but sadly it is one step back to hopefully take two steps forward&#8230;.  I did love and miss the more intimate nature off BBSs.   Though the hardware changes the system seems the same&#8230;. I for one hope many more of these kinds of sideways moves will continue facilitate the average person.  </p>
<p>To hell with GREEDY CorpoRat Screwballs&#8230;.!!! </p>
<p>Ecology before Economy&#8230; Freedom to all&#8230;.!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20865</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted the Configuration files that I used with the DNS server on the main server.  
Link to these config files can be found at 

http://www.plaza1.net/FreeWan/news.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the Configuration files that I used with the DNS server on the main server.<br />
Link to these config files can be found at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.plaza1.net/FreeWan/news.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.plaza1.net/FreeWan/news.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely the problems with free wans will be solved through technology.

But let us not forget optical disks (cd-dvd) and other future storage technologies. With 200 gigabyte disks in the pipeline, you can copy 40 movies or 600 songs or 40,000 song mp3 files. When these disks cost a couple of dollars, there is going to be copying and sharing unstopable explosion, if free wans are not really free (free as in freedom, not money).

Of course a repressive (the only kind) dictatorship promoted by the show business and music cartels could stop anything and America is headed that way.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the problems with free wans will be solved through technology.</p>
<p>But let us not forget optical disks (cd-dvd) and other future storage technologies. With 200 gigabyte disks in the pipeline, you can copy 40 movies or 600 songs or 40,000 song mp3 files. When these disks cost a couple of dollars, there is going to be copying and sharing unstopable explosion, if free wans are not really free (free as in freedom, not money).</p>
<p>Of course a repressive (the only kind) dictatorship promoted by the show business and music cartels could stop anything and America is headed that way.</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m working on the tutorial.  BTW, I&#039;m not a nerd.  I am a geek ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on the tutorial.  BTW, I&#8217;m not a nerd.  I am a geek <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the Intranet has been arounf for some time.  As far a s strangers leeching your Internet access, that is easy to prevent.  Just block their access.  What sets this Intranet apart from other Local Area networks is that that this Intranet is designed so that those who join to the network will have an easy time navigating the network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the Intranet has been arounf for some time.  As far a s strangers leeching your Internet access, that is easy to prevent.  Just block their access.  What sets this Intranet apart from other Local Area networks is that that this Intranet is designed so that those who join to the network will have an easy time navigating the network.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20831</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 01:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah its called intranet and its been around for years, besides who wants some sranger using your bandwidth for free??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah its called intranet and its been around for years, besides who wants some sranger using your bandwidth for free??</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, most of this makes sense. (Lacking the Apache webserver part) How about a web tutorial?</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not making any promises, but I will try to post the BIND config files as well as zone files on the web tonight when I get home.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20802</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would certainly be useful.  If people are going to do this they will want clear instructions on how to.  Examples of BIND configurations etc I expect would be invaluable to the cause.

It would also be useful if you could put some links on how to make ghetto antennas (or resources to cheap premade wifi antennas).  I once saw an antenna made with a pringles tube, so there are definitely very cheap methods of getting this up and running.

I have a spare PC and would love to setup a node, but I am verybusy and don&#039;t have the time to do all the research that would be required currently.  If I had example BIND/Apache etc configs to work from it would take very little time (especially since I already know apache like the back of my own hand).  I have never used BIND because I have always used a 3rd party for my dns services, however, it would be essential for a freewan cell.

Of course the other great thing you could do is setup email services.  You provide your local community with free email (they need to subscribe to your email domain name for example peter@newyork-freewan.org (replace newyork-freewan.org with your own domain)).

It would also be possible to setup community radio and tv stations (especially with higher speed wifi like 802.11g) and serve them via the  freewan.  The possibilities are as inexhaustable as the current &quot;internet&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would certainly be useful.  If people are going to do this they will want clear instructions on how to.  Examples of BIND configurations etc I expect would be invaluable to the cause.</p>
<p>It would also be useful if you could put some links on how to make ghetto antennas (or resources to cheap premade wifi antennas).  I once saw an antenna made with a pringles tube, so there are definitely very cheap methods of getting this up and running.</p>
<p>I have a spare PC and would love to setup a node, but I am verybusy and don&#8217;t have the time to do all the research that would be required currently.  If I had example BIND/Apache etc configs to work from it would take very little time (especially since I already know apache like the back of my own hand).  I have never used BIND because I have always used a 3rd party for my dns services, however, it would be essential for a freewan cell.</p>
<p>Of course the other great thing you could do is setup email services.  You provide your local community with free email (they need to subscribe to your email domain name for example <a href="mailto:peter@newyork-freewan.org">peter@newyork-freewan.org</a> (replace newyork-freewan.org with your own domain)).</p>
<p>It would also be possible to setup community radio and tv stations (especially with higher speed wifi like 802.11g) and serve them via the  freewan.  The possibilities are as inexhaustable as the current &#8220;internet&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20792</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many wireless routers actually run Linux.  My router is a WRT-54g is based on Linux.  I set up my router to act as a DHCP server and set static DNS to point to the Main Server.  On the main server, I run Apache webserver and BIND DNS.  I set up bind DNS so that all domains in com, net, org, and edu point to the ip address of the main server.  I have been thinking about posting all the config files for my main server on the FreeWan webpage for others to look at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many wireless routers actually run Linux.  My router is a WRT-54g is based on Linux.  I set up my router to act as a DHCP server and set static DNS to point to the Main Server.  On the main server, I run Apache webserver and BIND DNS.  I set up bind DNS so that all domains in com, net, org, and edu point to the ip address of the main server.  I have been thinking about posting all the config files for my main server on the FreeWan webpage for others to look at.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20780</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the info. While not a total newbee there will certainly be a  learning curve here. I have never set up a webserver, though I run linux, so you can see that learning curve or no, I will make the commitment to step up to learn. My path with linux began a few months ago. As for DNS, I already use that. While not familar with wireless networks, I am a fair hand with wired. Hopefully that won&#039;t present too much of a probelm. Mainly thank you for the kick back. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the info. While not a total newbee there will certainly be a  learning curve here. I have never set up a webserver, though I run linux, so you can see that learning curve or no, I will make the commitment to step up to learn. My path with linux began a few months ago. As for DNS, I already use that. While not familar with wireless networks, I am a fair hand with wired. Hopefully that won&#8217;t present too much of a probelm. Mainly thank you for the kick back.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20778</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will take some time if you are an absolute beginner.

1 Learn how to set up a webserver.  You can still find cost free information on the Internet oin how to do this http://www.apache.org distributes a free webserver that is both free of charge and free as speech as well.  You can modify the coder and redistribute provided that you give others this same right.

2. Learn how to set up a Domain Name Server  ( you know the service that converts the www.google.com to ip address such as 64.233.161.104, 64.233.161.147, or 64.233.161.99.  You can also search Google for information on how to do this.

3. You may also search fot information on how to put together a wireless network.

4. If you do not understand what the above means get a book called &quot;How the Internet works&quot; and read it.  This book will show you how the Internet works and what type of stuff is needed to run it.  I am working on putting together a document on how to put together a freewan cell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will take some time if you are an absolute beginner.</p>
<p>1 Learn how to set up a webserver.  You can still find cost free information on the Internet oin how to do this <a href="http://www.apache.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.apache.org</a> distributes a free webserver that is both free of charge and free as speech as well.  You can modify the coder and redistribute provided that you give others this same right.</p>
<p>2. Learn how to set up a Domain Name Server  ( you know the service that converts the <a href="http://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com</a> to ip address such as 64.233.161.104, 64.233.161.147, or 64.233.161.99.  You can also search Google for information on how to do this.</p>
<p>3. You may also search fot information on how to put together a wireless network.</p>
<p>4. If you do not understand what the above means get a book called &#8220;How the Internet works&#8221; and read it.  This book will show you how the Internet works and what type of stuff is needed to run it.  I am working on putting together a document on how to put together a freewan cell.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20765</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://cuwireless.net/whatiscuwin</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 02:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So educate me, this sounds familarly like what I would like to do. I really have a heartache with the way the corporations deal with the net today. It has caused so much headscratching to average Joe as these corporations, the government, and busybodies try and get a finger in your computer. None of it actually concerns them in any fashion (other than perhaps the government in looking for terrorists) and in the process of bilking Joe customer out of hard earned cash, the resulting spyware, adware, trojan, and malware that is out there to be picked up simply because you are using the internet. I don&#039;t like the services I am buying, nor the cost of the purchase. They are overbloated in attempts to get information from you, without your consent (or at the very least buried in legalise in the EULA). 

So how does one learn of all the necessary equipment, methods, and possibilities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So educate me, this sounds familarly like what I would like to do. I really have a heartache with the way the corporations deal with the net today. It has caused so much headscratching to average Joe as these corporations, the government, and busybodies try and get a finger in your computer. None of it actually concerns them in any fashion (other than perhaps the government in looking for terrorists) and in the process of bilking Joe customer out of hard earned cash, the resulting spyware, adware, trojan, and malware that is out there to be picked up simply because you are using the internet. I don&#8217;t like the services I am buying, nor the cost of the purchase. They are overbloated in attempts to get information from you, without your consent (or at the very least buried in legalise in the EULA). </p>
<p>So how does one learn of all the necessary equipment, methods, and possibilities?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6360/comment-page-1#comment-20737</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between a FreeWan and the Internet is that PEOPLE, not government and corporations will own the infrastructure.  Most of us know that when a government controls things, red tape and incompetence prevails and when corporations control things, it is to siphon as much money from the people as humanly possible.  FreeWan will be a cooperative network which means that it is built and run by the people it serves.  If the government or corporations do not like the way things are run, then they can stay off our network :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between a FreeWan and the Internet is that PEOPLE, not government and corporations will own the infrastructure.  Most of us know that when a government controls things, red tape and incompetence prevails and when corporations control things, it is to siphon as much money from the people as humanly possible.  FreeWan will be a cooperative network which means that it is built and run by the people it serves.  If the government or corporations do not like the way things are run, then they can stay off our network <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey! sorry about the multiple posts! Dodgy browser technique methink! Damn proxies.

Solly peeps.

/me goes all sheepish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey! sorry about the multiple posts! Dodgy browser technique methink! Damn proxies.</p>
<p>Solly peeps.</p>
<p>/me goes all sheepish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Author seems to be suggesteing a &quot;parallel internet&quot; or at least alluding to the possibility of its development.  In theory I think it&#039;s tremendously laudable - in practice however, probably a little more complex to operate than first appears.  

I remain quietly sceptical but sincerely hope that this has more legs than just conjecture as it would really give &quot;power to the people&quot;.  [Come back Wolfie, all is forgiven!]

My only one concern is that as an ageing and closet revolutionary [I never thought it would happen btw!], a &quot;secondary internet&quot; then starts to be governed and exploited in the same way as the existing one does. Which is all kind of ultimately self defeating isn&#039;t it?....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Author seems to be suggesteing a &#8220;parallel internet&#8221; or at least alluding to the possibility of its development.  In theory I think it&#8217;s tremendously laudable &#8211; in practice however, probably a little more complex to operate than first appears.  </p>
<p>I remain quietly sceptical but sincerely hope that this has more legs than just conjecture as it would really give &#8220;power to the people&#8221;.  [Come back Wolfie, all is forgiven!]</p>
<p>My only one concern is that as an ageing and closet revolutionary [I never thought it would happen btw!], a &#8220;secondary internet&#8221; then starts to be governed and exploited in the same way as the existing one does. Which is all kind of ultimately self defeating isn&#8217;t it?&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most informative well though post I&#039;ve ever read on p2pnet .</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 06:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, as to the spam attacks, if I was an ISP and anybody but a business started throwing out thousands of e-mails at a time, I would shut down their account until I got a good answer from them as to why they were doing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, as to the spam attacks, if I was an ISP and anybody but a business started throwing out thousands of e-mails at a time, I would shut down their account until I got a good answer from them as to why they were doing this.</p>
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