You must believe that everything has come from nothing…
and this you regard as fact… a creationist would say “YOU have GREAT FAITH!”
your friend,
Charlie

Evolutionism does not establish then promulgate a set of laws or rules to live by. It is generally agreed in the scientific community that Evolutionism is, indeed, a “theory” and not a proven fact, insofar as certain aspects of it have not yet been proven by scientific method. For example, Atomic Theory, for the moment, remains just exactly that: THEORY. That does not mean that atomic bombs do not explode. But it DOES mean that Atomic Theory does not preach a code of laws or a set of belief tenets.

If Creationism were to be taught in schools, do you suppose it would stop at the words, “and on the seventh day, God rested”? I highly doubt it.

The difference between science and religion can be distinctly delineated. Science is the objective search for answers to the way things work in our universe, the attempt to prove things by empirical, observable phenomena. Religion is the forcible acceptance of a set of subjective beliefs, mostly unproven and mostly unprovable, and the mandatory adherence to commandments, which might or might not have socially redeeming values.

This whole debate surrounding whether or not “Intelligent Design” should be given “equal time” with the Theory of Evolution in our schools, is just one more attempt by the fanatical right wing fundamentalists to force their life-styles and beliefs onto the rest of society, whether it likes it or not. It is fascism, pure and simple. Like fascism, it uses the principles of propaganda to advance its cause, and whenever challenged, it uses lies, distraction, and distortion to divert attention from fact and reality. If all else fails, it uses loud noise, disruption, violence, fear, threats, and brutal suppression of the very set of laws it purports to believe in.

There should be no place in our schools for the dissemination of such horror. Despite loud denials, religion is a hiding place for people who are incapable or unwilling to think for themselves. The Bible says: “On faith and faith alone shall ye believe”. How can anyone in his right mind accept everything he is told without question. Or accuse and condemn a fellow human being, having been commanded to love one’s neighbor or having been admonished to forgive those who do evil against him, not once but innumerable times.

(And people wonder why I’m against religion…)

What does all of this have to do with P2P? I’m not going to belabor that point, but I will say that this has been one of the liveliest post exchanges we’ve seen around here. It must have some merit.

TV

I much liked that quote above of yours. While what you say may come off as a little too ‘rash’ for some, what you said is very valid. Religion, if you look carefully at it, has been used historically (as it is also now used) as a TOOL to CONTROL the masses — to control the behaviour of women — to control the thoughts of society — to make it easier to have POWER OVER them.

Faith == Blind devotion

is very dangerous. If you want to “believe” in something, at least have SOME EVIDENCE or LOGIC in that belief. Don’t just believe in something just for the sake of it — especially when your beliefs are RETARDED, ILLOGICAL, FALSE, and STUPID!

And this is why the all Creationism push by the major MONO-THEISTIC (One “God”) “Religion” is so dangerous. I come from a Christian background, and I must say, day-after-day it is become more of a PURE CULT! That’s right, a CULT.

There are plenty of “snapshots” found and still out there, but with limited founding for archeological digs they are hard to find… but there is enough money for oil digs…

I find it utterly amazing that in modern day society people still claim to believe in God (or A God) it is absurd. You live utterly blinkered lives and I think it would better if religion was outlawed and all religious zealots shot for being stupid in the head.

I normally believe in people having the right to an opinion and the right to faith, but the older I get the less tolerant I get towards the frelling morons.

They are an anethma to society and should be irradicated. Religion has no place in society and in my opinion, it never has, it is nothing less than an excuse people use instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

Isn’t that the very definition of faith though? To follow blindly, without question, on the presumtion that you and you alone are both right and righteous, and that everyone else is wrong? That is why the terms “sheep” and “flock” are such apt terms and used so often to describe followers of any religion in my opinion. It’s a dangerous thing to not question any authority figure, especially since humans by nature are much more compliant than they realize. Personally I refuse to follow any organized religion on the simple basis that their actions speak much louder than the words they preach. While religious fanatics may think so, this life choice does not mean I’m a Godless or immoral person or anything, just that I choose to make my own decisions and follow my own heart. Those who wish to control others may not like that, but thankfully this is the reality we enjoy today. I hope it stays that way for as long as possible, even though I know deep down that nothing lasts forever. The only thing certain in life is change after all.

Religious ideas will NEVER HAVE ANY PROOF OF BEING REAL… THEY ARE JUST THE MADE UP IDEAS OF A FEW MORONIC PEOPLE IN THE DARK AGES OF HUMANITY…

And dont give me that “we dont have proof” crap… there is plenty of solid proof out there that we evolved from apes…

These days, we know a lot more than Darwin new… I dont care about darwin’s theory… I care about OUR MODERN day understanding of evolution! =P

Fuck theories, Evolution is a FACT… a SCIENTIFIC FACT!
RELIGIOUS BELIEFS SHOULD NEVER BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL (with the exception of religion classes) Evolution is NOT a religion, its a Science, WHICH BELONGS IN SCIENCE CLASS!

There is ABSOLUTLY NO QUESTION HERE! Creationism or intellegent design is RELIGION, And EVOLUTION IS SCIENCE!
Science = school… Religion = CHURCH…. END OF DESCUSSION.

This is why I said in another post that, while I agree that evolution is an observable phoenomenon, and exists for a very good reason (thank God hehe), what we know about it is probably not only a very tiny slice of the overall picture, but that this particular slice is probably also very incomplete. In other words, there is no particularly good reason to be arguing over anything having to do with genesis and evolution (and a ton of other silly things). Everyone should be free to make their own educated decision about what they wish to believe, and that’s perfectly fine with me since there may be a good chance that we’ll never really know the whole picture. As long as people aren’t torturing and killing others in the name of their beliefs, or trying to force others to believe what they believe, I’m happy and don’t care what other people think. Sure, it would be nice to know since to know our past is to know our future, but I think knowing most likely would not solve any of our problems. In other words, in the grand scheme of things, it most likely doesn’t matter all that much either. After all, life is just too short to get caught up squabbling over semantics and differing opinions. Heck, you can come up with an infinite number of ideologies and theories, and in the the end all of them will likely be wrong. We all may have to face the possibility that it’s simply not for us to know. This is exactly why I am so fond of the following from Shakespere’s play, Hamlet; “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

There are over 280,000 well documented fossils to date. Not one of them acts as a shapshot to shows an ‘evolutionary’ transformation between species.

TV

Likewise, scientist have found ways to repeatedly cure cancer in lab animals, does this mean they can conclude it will hold true for all species including humans?

TV

Perhaps the theory of evolution is the real propaganda here. It seems to have you convinced!

TV