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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-212804</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my son is being sued for millions of dollars for 9 songs that he downloaded(or someone in his dormroom downloaded) he made no money from these songs....nor did any one else...this is exortion ...pure and simple....pay a settlement or the amount will double....fight us in court...we will go for more...this is a kid who has nothing...and we are about ready to foreclose on our home.....they didnt strike it rich when they hit this kid! im sure thats what they are hoping for.......what a terrible lesson of exhortion for our kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my son is being sued for millions of dollars for 9 songs that he downloaded(or someone in his dormroom downloaded) he made no money from these songs&#8230;.nor did any one else&#8230;this is exortion &#8230;pure and simple&#8230;.pay a settlement or the amount will double&#8230;.fight us in court&#8230;we will go for more&#8230;this is a kid who has nothing&#8230;and we are about ready to foreclose on our home&#8230;..they didnt strike it rich when they hit this kid! im sure thats what they are hoping for&#8230;&#8230;.what a terrible lesson of exhortion for our kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-41648</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great article.  I&#039;ve been saying for years that there are solutions available.  More and more musicians, for instance, are turning to Creative Commons licensing, making music free for personal use and sharing, while retaining copyright protection for commercial uses, such as sync and for-pay distribution.

Choices like that are giving consumers more options.  See the quality content at www.knobtweakers.net, for instance.  These options will continue to expand in the future, and present an even bigger threat to the RIAA -- no new content to bring to market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article.  I&#8217;ve been saying for years that there are solutions available.  More and more musicians, for instance, are turning to Creative Commons licensing, making music free for personal use and sharing, while retaining copyright protection for commercial uses, such as sync and for-pay distribution.</p>
<p>Choices like that are giving consumers more options.  See the quality content at <a href="http://www.knobtweakers.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.knobtweakers.net</a>, for instance.  These options will continue to expand in the future, and present an even bigger threat to the RIAA &#8212; no new content to bring to market.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-39013</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Karpinsky won his case against Direct TV...

End User Victory In Michigan (Followup 7-03)
 
DirecTV v. Eugene Karpinsky, Case No: 02-CV-73929, United States District Court in the Eastern District of Michigan. The Court issued an Order granting Summary Judgment as to all counts of DirecTV&#039;s case against Eugene Karpinsky. The Court affirmed that contrary to DirecTV&#039;s argument, mere possession of two smartcard recovery systems is insufficient to support a finding of liability under
47 U.S.C. Sec. 605(a), 18 U.S.C. Sec 2511(1)(a), or 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2512(1)(B)or demonstrate a claim of conversion.
 
DIRECTV, INCORPORATED Norman C. Ankers
plaintiff [COR LD NTC ret]
Bradley H. Darling
[COR LD NTC ret]
Honigman, Miller,
660 Woodward Avenue
Suite 2290
Detroit, MI 48226-3583
313-465-7000
 
vs.
 
EUGENE KARPINSKY John T. Hermann
defendant [COR LD NTC ret]
2684 W. Eleven Mile Road
Suite 100
Berkley, MI 48072
248-591-9291
 
U.S. District Court
 
for the Eastern District of Michigan (Detroit)
 
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 02-CV-73929
 
DIRECTV Inc v. Karpinsky
 
Filed: 10/01/02
Assigned to: Judge George Caram Steeh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Karpinsky won his case against Direct TV&#8230;</p>
<p>End User Victory In Michigan (Followup 7-03)</p>
<p>DirecTV v. Eugene Karpinsky, Case No: 02-CV-73929, United States District Court in the Eastern District of Michigan. The Court issued an Order granting Summary Judgment as to all counts of DirecTV&#8217;s case against Eugene Karpinsky. The Court affirmed that contrary to DirecTV&#8217;s argument, mere possession of two smartcard recovery systems is insufficient to support a finding of liability under<br />
47 U.S.C. Sec. 605(a), 18 U.S.C. Sec 2511(1)(a), or 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2512(1)(B)or demonstrate a claim of conversion.</p>
<p>DIRECTV, INCORPORATED Norman C. Ankers<br />
plaintiff [COR LD NTC ret]<br />
Bradley H. Darling<br />
[COR LD NTC ret]<br />
Honigman, Miller,<br />
660 Woodward Avenue<br />
Suite 2290<br />
Detroit, MI 48226-3583<br />
313-465-7000</p>
<p>vs.</p>
<p>EUGENE KARPINSKY John T. Hermann<br />
defendant [COR LD NTC ret]<br />
2684 W. Eleven Mile Road<br />
Suite 100<br />
Berkley, MI 48072<br />
248-591-9291</p>
<p>U.S. District Court</p>
<p>for the Eastern District of Michigan (Detroit)</p>
<p>CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 02-CV-73929</p>
<p>DIRECTV Inc v. Karpinsky</p>
<p>Filed: 10/01/02<br />
Assigned to: Judge George Caram Steeh</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-34266</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lose (looz) not loose (loos) &lt;sigh&gt;

Otherwise, excellent points are made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lose (looz) not loose (loos) &lt;sigh&gt;</p>
<p>Otherwise, excellent points are made.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-27281</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 22:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s getting to be a waste of time to use p2p, about half of the files out there that you waste your time downloading are fake. You do the search, find the file, download it (anywhere from an hour to 4 or more hours if you&#039;re on dial-up), and then the file won&#039;t play. Sorry to say, the whole USA doesn&#039;t have high-speed internet available yet, unless you want to pay 500 bucks for the equipment and 100 bucks a month for the satellite service. And with satellite, you&#039;re limited on how much you can download in a specified amount of time. Better off to borrow cds from friends and family and rip them than to download from p2p.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s getting to be a waste of time to use p2p, about half of the files out there that you waste your time downloading are fake. You do the search, find the file, download it (anywhere from an hour to 4 or more hours if you&#8217;re on dial-up), and then the file won&#8217;t play. Sorry to say, the whole USA doesn&#8217;t have high-speed internet available yet, unless you want to pay 500 bucks for the equipment and 100 bucks a month for the satellite service. And with satellite, you&#8217;re limited on how much you can download in a specified amount of time. Better off to borrow cds from friends and family and rip them than to download from p2p.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21961</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall that one of the issues that Judge Patel, in the remnants of the Napster mess (which, ironically has the cartel suing one of it&#039;s own as it bought the ashes of Napster) was that &quot;merely affording access did not infringement make.&quot;  Someone had to actually download the item in question.  Otherwise (as stated elsewhere in this thread) leaving any kind of media unsecured could be considered an act of infringement.  Libraries now become the crack houses of infringement because the library can not control what a patron does with a book once it&#039;s checked out.  They could be down at Kinko&#039;s self-service killing trees a forest at a time.  I couldn&#039;t let someone use my computer which I&#039;ve ripped CDs to, because they might copy them.  Web browsers could not cache downloads for &#039;faster&#039; rendering of already viewed item.  Music could never be performed in a public venue because someone might be there with a tape recorder.

It&#039;s one thing to have a can of gasoline in the garage for the lawnmover and a pack of matches in your pockets.  It&#039;s quite another to dump the gasoline all over everything in the garage, strike a match and toss it into the garage.  Holding that the &#039;potential&#039; for anything or &#039;the willingness to engage in&#039; anything rises to the level of criminal conduct is just crap.  It&#039;s tantamount to creating &#039;thought crimes&#039;.  If  infringement is to be punished, then actual infringement (creation of a distinct 2nd copy) must have been proven to occur and not just because the accused had a pack of matches and a credit card receipt from the filling station in their pocket.

--TG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall that one of the issues that Judge Patel, in the remnants of the Napster mess (which, ironically has the cartel suing one of it&#8217;s own as it bought the ashes of Napster) was that &#8220;merely affording access did not infringement make.&#8221;  Someone had to actually download the item in question.  Otherwise (as stated elsewhere in this thread) leaving any kind of media unsecured could be considered an act of infringement.  Libraries now become the crack houses of infringement because the library can not control what a patron does with a book once it&#8217;s checked out.  They could be down at Kinko&#8217;s self-service killing trees a forest at a time.  I couldn&#8217;t let someone use my computer which I&#8217;ve ripped CDs to, because they might copy them.  Web browsers could not cache downloads for &#8216;faster&#8217; rendering of already viewed item.  Music could never be performed in a public venue because someone might be there with a tape recorder.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to have a can of gasoline in the garage for the lawnmover and a pack of matches in your pockets.  It&#8217;s quite another to dump the gasoline all over everything in the garage, strike a match and toss it into the garage.  Holding that the &#8216;potential&#8217; for anything or &#8216;the willingness to engage in&#8217; anything rises to the level of criminal conduct is just crap.  It&#8217;s tantamount to creating &#8216;thought crimes&#8217;.  If  infringement is to be punished, then actual infringement (creation of a distinct 2nd copy) must have been proven to occur and not just because the accused had a pack of matches and a credit card receipt from the filling station in their pocket.</p>
<p>&#8211;TG</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21732</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about incomplete files than?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about incomplete files than?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21713</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 00:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to forget that P2P works with file hashes...

So, if I have a copy of Madonna - Like A Virgin.MP3 ...

... which I know to be a real music file...
... and I search for files with the same hash...
... and you happen to show up on the list of search results as a peer having the same hash...
...that should count as some kind of evidence...

unless of course you claim to have spoofed the hash ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to forget that P2P works with file hashes&#8230;</p>
<p>So, if I have a copy of Madonna &#8211; Like A Virgin.MP3 &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230; which I know to be a real music file&#8230;<br />
&#8230; and I search for files with the same hash&#8230;<br />
&#8230; and you happen to show up on the list of search results as a peer having the same hash&#8230;<br />
&#8230;that should count as some kind of evidence&#8230;</p>
<p>unless of course you claim to have spoofed the hash <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21703</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Otherwise, leaving a CD in an unguarded place is grounds for a lawsuit.&quot;

One would think that the intention was would have something to do. For example if you know that distributing ilegal copies of cds (labeled as a copyright protected work) and you put the fake cds for sale through an Internet ad, the making them available through the ad is to me enough proof that the infringement was made, even though there is no proof that  a single cd was actually copied or sold.

Quite different from kids sharing and copying digital files whose copyright status is unknown. 

So I will answer my own question:
Allowing Internet access to song digital files should be infringement if the work is known to be a copyrigh protected work and the person allowing access or copying the files should know (for example: publicity company, music publisher, a record company). Certainly kids and normal people have no reason to know copyright law, the copyright status of a song or the how-to knowledge to investigate copyright status.

It should be noted that my explanations are not law based (the copyright law and its jurisprudence is all screwed up) and are made with song files in mind. For other types of files, for example, pdf file downloading, the situation is far more complex. Why, just this past month I downloaded over 25 pdf files off the Internet and most of them prohibit their copying, all of which makes me a big infringer and criminal, as induced by the owners of the copyrights who could, I guess, sue me for copying their files they induced me to copy, if they find out I did what seemed to be a perfectly normal thing.

Of course I do not have to worry, since the people that place pdf files on the net are normal, not criminal type people, so they will not be spying on me to see what I download, as the RIAA seems to be doing. 

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com   

  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Otherwise, leaving a CD in an unguarded place is grounds for a lawsuit.&#8221;</p>
<p>One would think that the intention was would have something to do. For example if you know that distributing ilegal copies of cds (labeled as a copyright protected work) and you put the fake cds for sale through an Internet ad, the making them available through the ad is to me enough proof that the infringement was made, even though there is no proof that  a single cd was actually copied or sold.</p>
<p>Quite different from kids sharing and copying digital files whose copyright status is unknown. </p>
<p>So I will answer my own question:<br />
Allowing Internet access to song digital files should be infringement if the work is known to be a copyrigh protected work and the person allowing access or copying the files should know (for example: publicity company, music publisher, a record company). Certainly kids and normal people have no reason to know copyright law, the copyright status of a song or the how-to knowledge to investigate copyright status.</p>
<p>It should be noted that my explanations are not law based (the copyright law and its jurisprudence is all screwed up) and are made with song files in mind. For other types of files, for example, pdf file downloading, the situation is far more complex. Why, just this past month I downloaded over 25 pdf files off the Internet and most of them prohibit their copying, all of which makes me a big infringer and criminal, as induced by the owners of the copyrights who could, I guess, sue me for copying their files they induced me to copy, if they find out I did what seemed to be a perfectly normal thing.</p>
<p>Of course I do not have to worry, since the people that place pdf files on the net are normal, not criminal type people, so they will not be spying on me to see what I download, as the RIAA seems to be doing. </p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21671</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can name a file whatever you want.  That is covered under fair use.  Ie.  I want to name this text document Madonna.mp3 and put inside a note saying please sue me I&#039;m going to counter sue and win.  You have the full support of the law.  It is content that you created.  Sure its entrapment, but since its a civil case and not criminal that doesnt apply.
Hell look at the Entertainment industries own subsidiaries duping and tracking on those same networks.  No legal repercussions.  
They sue you for holding 900 copyrighted files, tell em sure thing you are going to fight it in court.  Get in front of a judge and show the judge that they are text documents and what they say and watch them get laughed out of court.  Then sue them for harrassment, as well as for not following evidenciary proceedings to make sure that the files you have were actually real mp3 strings...
Heck come on a 1kb Modonna song.  If they fall for that you are going to be a very rich person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can name a file whatever you want.  That is covered under fair use.  Ie.  I want to name this text document Madonna.mp3 and put inside a note saying please sue me I&#8217;m going to counter sue and win.  You have the full support of the law.  It is content that you created.  Sure its entrapment, but since its a civil case and not criminal that doesnt apply.<br />
Hell look at the Entertainment industries own subsidiaries duping and tracking on those same networks.  No legal repercussions.<br />
They sue you for holding 900 copyrighted files, tell em sure thing you are going to fight it in court.  Get in front of a judge and show the judge that they are text documents and what they say and watch them get laughed out of court.  Then sue them for harrassment, as well as for not following evidenciary proceedings to make sure that the files you have were actually real mp3 strings&#8230;<br />
Heck come on a 1kb Modonna song.  If they fall for that you are going to be a very rich person.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21648</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we could rate posts here, I&#039;d rate the parent up.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21647</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think not.  Otherwise, leaving a CD in an unguarded place is grounds for a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think not.  Otherwise, leaving a CD in an unguarded place is grounds for a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21637</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, can&#039;t they sue you then because of trademark issues? 
Olaf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, can&#8217;t they sue you then because of trademark issues?<br />
Olaf</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21626</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi shill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi shill</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21625</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
This is the reason why CRIA lost their attempt to get discovery.  It was not that unauthorized sharing of music is legal in Canada (Most people who looked into the law and court cases believe it is not), but that the recording industry didn&#039;t provide adequate evidence of aleged infringing activities.

In the USA there was no need to provide evidence to get the disclosure of names, and thus be able to scare people into settling out of court.  In Canada we have privacy protection laws (PIPEDA) which meant that the ISPs could not disclose the customer names without a court order.

Note: There is nothing in fair use (in the USA) or fair dealings (Canada) that authorizes a private citizen from communicating music to the public without authorization from the copyright holder.

I have a hard time understanding those who want to take things too far onto the other extreme from the recording industry.  The industry wants to shut down all P2P activity (authorized or not, given it is the authorized and non-infringing P2P that threatens their business model the most), while other commentators want to legalize all P2P activity (authorized or not,  erradicating any exclusive rights from the copyright holder).  I consider both of these extremes to be wrong, even if I believe that legalizing all sharing is less harmful to the legitimate interests of the full spectrum of musicians.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the reason why CRIA lost their attempt to get discovery.  It was not that unauthorized sharing of music is legal in Canada (Most people who looked into the law and court cases believe it is not), but that the recording industry didn&#8217;t provide adequate evidence of aleged infringing activities.</p>
<p>In the USA there was no need to provide evidence to get the disclosure of names, and thus be able to scare people into settling out of court.  In Canada we have privacy protection laws (PIPEDA) which meant that the ISPs could not disclose the customer names without a court order.</p>
<p>Note: There is nothing in fair use (in the USA) or fair dealings (Canada) that authorizes a private citizen from communicating music to the public without authorization from the copyright holder.</p>
<p>I have a hard time understanding those who want to take things too far onto the other extreme from the recording industry.  The industry wants to shut down all P2P activity (authorized or not, given it is the authorized and non-infringing P2P that threatens their business model the most), while other commentators want to legalize all P2P activity (authorized or not,  erradicating any exclusive rights from the copyright holder).  I consider both of these extremes to be wrong, even if I believe that legalizing all sharing is less harmful to the legitimate interests of the full spectrum of musicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21624</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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This article contains one of the most common and most dangerous misconceptions about peer-to-peer distribution: that if something is &quot;under copyright&quot; that it is appropriate to assume that it is not authorized to share.

The fact is that there is a growing number of authors who eithor explicitly (through Creative Commons types licenses) or implicitly (through where they publish the works) are authorizing activities such as non-commercial verbatim redistribution (p2p sharing, etc).

We need to separate out the concepts of being under copyright, being authorized by a copyright holder, and something being an infringing activity as these are 3 very separate concepts.  Something can be under copyright and authorized to have specific things done.  An activity might not be authorized by the copyright holder, but is not infringing as copyright does not grant absolute rights to eithor the copyright holder or the general public.

Prior to digital copyright most activities were non-infringing activities as copyright did not regulate them.  The few things which copyright regulated (copying, distribution, communication via telecommunications) were not things that the general public wanted to do (share/rent/loan/resell physical media, access using any tools to assist and under any conditions, use media as furnature, whatever).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article contains one of the most common and most dangerous misconceptions about peer-to-peer distribution: that if something is &#8220;under copyright&#8221; that it is appropriate to assume that it is not authorized to share.</p>
<p>The fact is that there is a growing number of authors who eithor explicitly (through Creative Commons types licenses) or implicitly (through where they publish the works) are authorizing activities such as non-commercial verbatim redistribution (p2p sharing, etc).</p>
<p>We need to separate out the concepts of being under copyright, being authorized by a copyright holder, and something being an infringing activity as these are 3 very separate concepts.  Something can be under copyright and authorized to have specific things done.  An activity might not be authorized by the copyright holder, but is not infringing as copyright does not grant absolute rights to eithor the copyright holder or the general public.</p>
<p>Prior to digital copyright most activities were non-infringing activities as copyright did not regulate them.  The few things which copyright regulated (copying, distribution, communication via telecommunications) were not things that the general public wanted to do (share/rent/loan/resell physical media, access using any tools to assist and under any conditions, use media as furnature, whatever).</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21610</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this written by the same attorney that represented Eugene Karpinsky in U.S. District Court and Bankruptcy Court?  Wasn&#039;t there a $202,000 judgment entered against Mr. Karpinsky?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this written by the same attorney that represented Eugene Karpinsky in U.S. District Court and Bankruptcy Court?  Wasn&#8217;t there a $202,000 judgment entered against Mr. Karpinsky?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21595</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because allowing others access to copyrighted material is also a violation of the copyright act&quot;

In a case where I was part where we sued because our songs were stolen, the judge claimed that the theft and down the line authorization by the robber was not infringement because we did not prove direct infringement. In other words, authorization alone was not infringement.

Clearly the judge&#039;s decision, recently uphelpd by a federal appeals court is at odd with the comment .... &quot;Because allowing others access to copyrighted material is also a violation of the copyright act&quot;

Could someone with legal knowhow explain this. 

I hope Mr. Hermann is right.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because allowing others access to copyrighted material is also a violation of the copyright act&#8221;</p>
<p>In a case where I was part where we sued because our songs were stolen, the judge claimed that the theft and down the line authorization by the robber was not infringement because we did not prove direct infringement. In other words, authorization alone was not infringement.</p>
<p>Clearly the judge&#8217;s decision, recently uphelpd by a federal appeals court is at odd with the comment &#8230;. &#8220;Because allowing others access to copyrighted material is also a violation of the copyright act&#8221;</p>
<p>Could someone with legal knowhow explain this. </p>
<p>I hope Mr. Hermann is right.</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21593</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what would happen if people started filling their shared folders with fake files of the top ten songs every month. The industry uses fake files against file sharers and it works for them after all. They use automated search engines to find the names of shared files and log the IP, right? I&#039;m guessing that from past newsworthy happenings, there is generally very little follow up or human interaction in this process. Not surprising since most ISP&#039;s don&#039;t give their users static IP addresses. Since this means they sue blindly all the time pretty much, I say why not use their own tools against them? Wouldn&#039;t take long to expose the recording industry for the sham artists they truly are. Enough people do it and they would have to stop doing searches as an automated process. They would have to either have people actually follow up on every single infringement logged, which takes man power and thus money, or just simply stop doing it altogether and find another way of getting at their customers. Yeah, I know fake files hurt the network too, but surely there must be some way to entrap the industry in order to get the courts fed up with them wasting their time, all without actually hurting real file sharing. Maybe some smart cookie out there can figure out how to come up with a new way to share files that totally obfuscates their true identity in such a way that it completely bewilders the industry. Ah well, I&#039;ve been up over 24 hours, so I&#039;m probably not thinking clearly, hehe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what would happen if people started filling their shared folders with fake files of the top ten songs every month. The industry uses fake files against file sharers and it works for them after all. They use automated search engines to find the names of shared files and log the IP, right? I&#8217;m guessing that from past newsworthy happenings, there is generally very little follow up or human interaction in this process. Not surprising since most ISP&#8217;s don&#8217;t give their users static IP addresses. Since this means they sue blindly all the time pretty much, I say why not use their own tools against them? Wouldn&#8217;t take long to expose the recording industry for the sham artists they truly are. Enough people do it and they would have to stop doing searches as an automated process. They would have to either have people actually follow up on every single infringement logged, which takes man power and thus money, or just simply stop doing it altogether and find another way of getting at their customers. Yeah, I know fake files hurt the network too, but surely there must be some way to entrap the industry in order to get the courts fed up with them wasting their time, all without actually hurting real file sharing. Maybe some smart cookie out there can figure out how to come up with a new way to share files that totally obfuscates their true identity in such a way that it completely bewilders the industry. Ah well, I&#8217;ve been up over 24 hours, so I&#8217;m probably not thinking clearly, hehe.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6489/comment-page-1#comment-21590</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RIAA and MPAA want to use Peer to Peer as a distribution tool so they can save money on bandwidth costs as it is an exreamly effient way to transfer large files but they constanly give p2p a bad name .

So if youngsters use a pay to peer service thier parents are going to be wary of anything that uses any type of peer to peer becuse of the cartels scare campain .</description>
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<p>So if youngsters use a pay to peer service thier parents are going to be wary of anything that uses any type of peer to peer becuse of the cartels scare campain .</p>
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