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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22089</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God who wrote this shit! Compulsory RFID is for PACKAGING, not for the end product. Best Buy wants to incorporate it in all items to minimize product theft. Remember those things that beep at you when you steal something. That is RFID at work....God I am so not impressed with the writers of this site right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God who wrote this shit! Compulsory RFID is for PACKAGING, not for the end product. Best Buy wants to incorporate it in all items to minimize product theft. Remember those things that beep at you when you steal something. That is RFID at work&#8230;.God I am so not impressed with the writers of this site right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22079</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably not, but i&#039;m sure you&#039;d be able to buy rfid readers in electronics retailers sooner or later and check them out yourself. The plans for readers will probably pop up on the net sooner or later too.

Yep, that means ANYONE will be able to aquire readers and see what the rfid chips in everything that&#039;s got one has to say. Then imagine what would happen if the retailers started using &quot;writable&quot; rfid chips, and someone got hold of a rfid &quot;writer&quot;? 

Yep, time to start a sale in walmart! Without their knowledge or permission LOL ;o) Just hope noone uses a writer to change your details to theirs and accuse you of stealing all &quot;their&quot; stuff...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably not, but i&#8217;m sure you&#8217;d be able to buy rfid readers in electronics retailers sooner or later and check them out yourself. The plans for readers will probably pop up on the net sooner or later too.</p>
<p>Yep, that means ANYONE will be able to aquire readers and see what the rfid chips in everything that&#8217;s got one has to say. Then imagine what would happen if the retailers started using &#8220;writable&#8221; rfid chips, and someone got hold of a rfid &#8220;writer&#8221;? </p>
<p>Yep, time to start a sale in walmart! Without their knowledge or permission LOL ;o) Just hope noone uses a writer to change your details to theirs and accuse you of stealing all &#8220;their&#8221; stuff&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22078</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea, but honestly you have nothing to worry about until they figure out how to make nano sized rfids.  hand me a shirt with a grain of rice in it, and i&#039;ll be able to find it in less than a minute.  They&#039;ll never be able to tag clothing with it that effectively, that is unless you wear some odd styled clothing where you can&#039;t find a lump in it.

besides, if the chips are all activated wirelessly, that means that there has to be a way to screw them up wirelessly.  so wait about 6 months to a year after they come out, and there will be some guy somewhere who&#039;ll come up with an effective RFID killer that works by waving an antenna over it.  if not that, the good old extension cord with the plug removed exposing 2 bare wires will work just fine.  

Your worst off with electronics, but the electronics can already track you.  so what&#039;s an extra chip or two going to do for you.  

all in all, not a big deal.  hell, if people were gonna go that far out of their way to watch people they would do it as is, linking UPC codes with credit cards or checking accounts.  oh wait...looks like we missed stopping it at the source by about 10 years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea, but honestly you have nothing to worry about until they figure out how to make nano sized rfids.  hand me a shirt with a grain of rice in it, and i&#8217;ll be able to find it in less than a minute.  They&#8217;ll never be able to tag clothing with it that effectively, that is unless you wear some odd styled clothing where you can&#8217;t find a lump in it.</p>
<p>besides, if the chips are all activated wirelessly, that means that there has to be a way to screw them up wirelessly.  so wait about 6 months to a year after they come out, and there will be some guy somewhere who&#8217;ll come up with an effective RFID killer that works by waving an antenna over it.  if not that, the good old extension cord with the plug removed exposing 2 bare wires will work just fine.  </p>
<p>Your worst off with electronics, but the electronics can already track you.  so what&#8217;s an extra chip or two going to do for you.  </p>
<p>all in all, not a big deal.  hell, if people were gonna go that far out of their way to watch people they would do it as is, linking UPC codes with credit cards or checking accounts.  oh wait&#8230;looks like we missed stopping it at the source by about 10 years</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22062</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RFID devices can be TINY.

&quot;RFID tags can be very small - the size of a large rice grain.&quot;
 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=50</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RFID devices can be TINY.</p>
<p>&#8220;RFID tags can be very small &#8211; the size of a large rice grain.&#8221;<br />
 <a href="http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=50" rel="nofollow">http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Technology-Article.asp?ArtNum=50</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22060</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take comfort in that quaint notion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take comfort in that quaint notion.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22052</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cell phones can only track you when they are turned on.  I leave mine turned off unless I&#039;m using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cell phones can only track you when they are turned on.  I leave mine turned off unless I&#8217;m using it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Just how big are RFIDs? As far as clothing goes, if they can be seen it should not be too difficult to remove them and introduce them to Mr. Hammer. If anyone thinks the government or courts are going to protect them from this they are kidding themselves, I have no doubt that big corporations are dumping a lot of money into the politicians pockets to prevent any real regulation. The only real defense is information, hopefully people will come out with web sites identifying which products have RFIDs and instructions on how to remove them if that is possible(Clothing should be easy, an electronics device could have them imbedded into it&#039;s circuitry, making removal difficult) It would also not surprise me if the politicians passed some kind of regulation to make removal, tampering with them illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just how big are RFIDs? As far as clothing goes, if they can be seen it should not be too difficult to remove them and introduce them to Mr. Hammer. If anyone thinks the government or courts are going to protect them from this they are kidding themselves, I have no doubt that big corporations are dumping a lot of money into the politicians pockets to prevent any real regulation. The only real defense is information, hopefully people will come out with web sites identifying which products have RFIDs and instructions on how to remove them if that is possible(Clothing should be easy, an electronics device could have them imbedded into it&#8217;s circuitry, making removal difficult) It would also not surprise me if the politicians passed some kind of regulation to make removal, tampering with them illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22038</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I had a discussion this past weekend with someone looking to buy a portable player. The units in question happen to be the iRiver, Creative, Archos and the iPod.

If iRiver is putting spy chips in their players, this will help to narrow down the list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I had a discussion this past weekend with someone looking to buy a portable player. The units in question happen to be the iRiver, Creative, Archos and the iPod.</p>
<p>If iRiver is putting spy chips in their players, this will help to narrow down the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22035</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are manufacturers, retailers, and other possible users of RFID devices required to inform people of the inclusion of &quot;spi chips&quot; in their products?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are manufacturers, retailers, and other possible users of RFID devices required to inform people of the inclusion of &#8220;spi chips&#8221; in their products?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6535/comment-page-1#comment-22034</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the RFID device going to be in the package or inside the mp3 player? If it&#039;s in the packaging that&#039;s one thing, but if it&#039;s inside the player that would keep me from buying it.

Note: If you carry many (not all) models of newer cell phones &quot;they&quot; can track you right now... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the RFID device going to be in the package or inside the mp3 player? If it&#8217;s in the packaging that&#8217;s one thing, but if it&#8217;s inside the player that would keep me from buying it.</p>
<p>Note: If you carry many (not all) models of newer cell phones &#8220;they&#8221; can track you right now&#8230;</p>
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