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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22494</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are currently campaigns (which I hope grow) where groups of people are sending bullshit emails to each other.

These include fairly worrying keywords about a &quot;stash&quot; of &quot;chemicals&quot; that will be used to &quot;destroy Bush&quot;.

Others send fake plots to &quot;Kill Cheney&quot; and shit like that.

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The chances are these systems will retain emails, sms, phone conversations (probably as a low bitrate mp3) but not your p2p transfers.

And the only communications that will raise any alarm bells are those with certain keywords in them. 

The rest are just archived so that if you protest or stand-up against your government or piss them off for any other reason... they can dig up every pissy little misdemeanour against you and make you serve consequetive sentences for each petty crime... it could add up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are currently campaigns (which I hope grow) where groups of people are sending bullshit emails to each other.</p>
<p>These include fairly worrying keywords about a &#8220;stash&#8221; of &#8220;chemicals&#8221; that will be used to &#8220;destroy Bush&#8221;.</p>
<p>Others send fake plots to &#8220;Kill Cheney&#8221; and shit like that.</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>The chances are these systems will retain emails, sms, phone conversations (probably as a low bitrate mp3) but not your p2p transfers.</p>
<p>And the only communications that will raise any alarm bells are those with certain keywords in them. </p>
<p>The rest are just archived so that if you protest or stand-up against your government or piss them off for any other reason&#8230; they can dig up every pissy little misdemeanour against you and make you serve consequetive sentences for each petty crime&#8230; it could add up.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22427</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only need one copy of email and a list of receivers.... is it retention of everything received or sent? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only need one copy of email and a list of receivers&#8230;. is it retention of everything received or sent?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22389</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why it is so important to build, hack, and get FreeWan cells up to speed.  Let the ISP&#039;s tell us that they have to continue to raise prices, add more ads, and spy even closer because it is the law.  With FreeWan, we can tell them scew the law and we do not want your services any more.... We have our own service.  Yes, FreeWan Cells are local at the moment, but computers located in two different cells can pass traffic.  

I wish to tell hackers that building our own Internet is the ONLY way things are going to improve.  Creative caching, Sneakernet, and mobile computers are good ways to get around bottlenecks in infrastructure.  I have designed my own cell, but unfortunately, I live in a rural area with very few users.  However, I plan to go mobile in the near future in order to demonstrate the capabilities of a FreeWan Cell.  IPV6 is something that should be studied very carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why it is so important to build, hack, and get FreeWan cells up to speed.  Let the ISP&#8217;s tell us that they have to continue to raise prices, add more ads, and spy even closer because it is the law.  With FreeWan, we can tell them scew the law and we do not want your services any more&#8230;. We have our own service.  Yes, FreeWan Cells are local at the moment, but computers located in two different cells can pass traffic.  </p>
<p>I wish to tell hackers that building our own Internet is the ONLY way things are going to improve.  Creative caching, Sneakernet, and mobile computers are good ways to get around bottlenecks in infrastructure.  I have designed my own cell, but unfortunately, I live in a rural area with very few users.  However, I plan to go mobile in the near future in order to demonstrate the capabilities of a FreeWan Cell.  IPV6 is something that should be studied very carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22388</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I found the only good thing about spammers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I found the only good thing about spammers.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22387</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am already studying different ways to create a worldwide mesh network.  Right now, I guess I have to be satisfied with FreeWan Cells.  When we have our own equipment and infrastructure, only then can we force the government cartel alliance out of it.  Screw their laws, data retention requirements and such.  It is time for people all over the world to rise up and defend our freedom.  We do have rights, and these rights are given by the creator and not some political hack.  Let&#039;s force governments, cartels, as well as the courts to abide by our rights.

Make Governments:  Prepare to resist
 
Make Cartels:  Stop supporting them and don&#039;t buy their products ubnless absolutely needed.  If possible, make your own product.

Make Courts: If you live in a country where their is a jury system, Check out sites like http://www.fija.org  If not, Prepare to resist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am already studying different ways to create a worldwide mesh network.  Right now, I guess I have to be satisfied with FreeWan Cells.  When we have our own equipment and infrastructure, only then can we force the government cartel alliance out of it.  Screw their laws, data retention requirements and such.  It is time for people all over the world to rise up and defend our freedom.  We do have rights, and these rights are given by the creator and not some political hack.  Let&#8217;s force governments, cartels, as well as the courts to abide by our rights.</p>
<p>Make Governments:  Prepare to resist</p>
<p>Make Cartels:  Stop supporting them and don&#8217;t buy their products ubnless absolutely needed.  If possible, make your own product.</p>
<p>Make Courts: If you live in a country where their is a jury system, Check out sites like <a href="http://www.fija.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.fija.org</a>  If not, Prepare to resist!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22384</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these extra storage requirements isn&#039;t going to come out of the ISPs pockets. It&#039;s going to come out of the user costs, what it costs you the user to use the service. All the ISPs are going to do is say that it is now law and they must do so. That will be the most likely notice you get when the price goes up to provide this internet service. So long to cheap internet prices as this requirement will be on going and in need of steady increasing needs on the part of the ISP to continue to hold these records. Until they reach the point of being able to delete hds containing the past data, they will need to continue to purchase equipment. 

Once subscription prices are as high as the market will bear then they will look at other revenue producers to continue to support their service. Increasing the membership also increases the burden on the ISP to provide the data retention. Look for more ads in the future on the ISP home page. For my part, I see far too many now on the home page and wish for less, not more. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these extra storage requirements isn&#8217;t going to come out of the ISPs pockets. It&#8217;s going to come out of the user costs, what it costs you the user to use the service. All the ISPs are going to do is say that it is now law and they must do so. That will be the most likely notice you get when the price goes up to provide this internet service. So long to cheap internet prices as this requirement will be on going and in need of steady increasing needs on the part of the ISP to continue to hold these records. Until they reach the point of being able to delete hds containing the past data, they will need to continue to purchase equipment. </p>
<p>Once subscription prices are as high as the market will bear then they will look at other revenue producers to continue to support their service. Increasing the membership also increases the burden on the ISP to provide the data retention. Look for more ads in the future on the ISP home page. For my part, I see far too many now on the home page and wish for less, not more.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22358</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am i right in that if you used a webmail account based outside the EU, that this law, becomes kinda useless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am i right in that if you used a webmail account based outside the EU, that this law, becomes kinda useless?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22357</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a really good point.

I think everyone impacted by these laws should deliberately get themselves onto every spam list they possibly can.  Spam containing pictures and movies are especially good choices as the files are already compressed meaning the isp&#039;s won&#039;t save much space by trying to further compress everything.

Maybe those ppl with email accounts that have large storage allowances like gmail could start emailing free linux distro&#039;s back and forwards to each other. After all, each and EVERY email is gonna have to be retained, even if they&#039;re essentially identical. ;o) 

The more onerous the burden of complying with this legislation is, the more the isp&#039;s will jump up and down about it, and perhaps, the sooner we&#039;ll be rid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really good point.</p>
<p>I think everyone impacted by these laws should deliberately get themselves onto every spam list they possibly can.  Spam containing pictures and movies are especially good choices as the files are already compressed meaning the isp&#8217;s won&#8217;t save much space by trying to further compress everything.</p>
<p>Maybe those ppl with email accounts that have large storage allowances like gmail could start emailing free linux distro&#8217;s back and forwards to each other. After all, each and EVERY email is gonna have to be retained, even if they&#8217;re essentially identical. ;o) </p>
<p>The more onerous the burden of complying with this legislation is, the more the isp&#8217;s will jump up and down about it, and perhaps, the sooner we&#8217;ll be rid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22354</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha think of all the spam mail lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha think of all the spam mail lol</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22353</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The terrorists have thought about these things long before you did my friend. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The terrorists have thought about these things long before you did my friend. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22352</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 05:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Millions of people downloading gigabytes of data every seconds. How are they going to store all that data. Not to mention *torrents*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Millions of people downloading gigabytes of data every seconds. How are they going to store all that data. Not to mention *torrents*.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6615/comment-page-1#comment-22341</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to start using GPG encoded email, WASTE/PadLockSL for P2P, Tor for web browsing, SSL for IRC and the Gaim-encryption plugin for instant messanging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to start using GPG encoded email, WASTE/PadLockSL for P2P, Tor for web browsing, SSL for IRC and the Gaim-encryption plugin for instant messanging.</p>
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