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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6954/comment-page-1#comment-24472</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hating Bush or What the USA has done&quot; is not a syndrome, it is a cure.

A  cure for a better world.  Only when we recognize the problem, and have the will to cure it will we be able to move forward....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hating Bush or What the USA has done&#8221; is not a syndrome, it is a cure.</p>
<p>A  cure for a better world.  Only when we recognize the problem, and have the will to cure it will we be able to move forward&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6954/comment-page-1#comment-24397</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Internet should NOT (and can NOT) be &#039;controlled&#039; by any one or group of people, countries, organizations, or entities.  The internet was specifcally designed to be a survivable communications network that that if any part of it were rendered inoperative, the unaffected portions would still function (perhaps in a degraded fashion.)

Rather than be &#039;controlled&#039;, the internet should be &#039;administered&#039; by an international group that is representative of all of the stakeholders of the internet, but does not owe their allegience to any particular geo-political entity, political persuasion, economic philosophy, or religious dogma.  Administration of the internet is entirely a technical matter in terms of ensuring that data gets from it&#039;s origin to it&#039;s destination in an efficient, cost-effective manner, regardless of what that data is.  Those engaging in the UN control of the internet debate have a habit of swirling together content issues with connectivity issues, causing further confusion.

How groups and individuals use the internet is a matter of their behavior, and the subsequent judgement of it by others in a political process.  The operation of the internet is a highly technical matter which should be governed by engineering processes and not value judgements of the content represented by the data being exchanged over it.

Effective administration of the internet means the furhter development and refinement of engineering standards and common processes, not rules regarding permissible and prohibited content.

This all but rules out the UN playing a role in this activity.  One only needs to look at how many things the ITU has botched or over-politicized in the world of RF spectrum communications and wire based analog services to get an idea of what would be in store.

Many different groups and individuals, from despotic Governments to Public School Superintendants attempt censorship of the internet in varying ways.  Whatever the restriction imposed, a workaround is always discovered by the motivated.

John Gilmore, one of the founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), once said &quot;The (inter)net treats censorship as damage and routes around it.&quot;  Whatever obstacles whomever wishes to inflict on the internet will eventually be circumvented or bypassed.  The only absolutely certain way of censoring the internet is to completely shut the entire thing off.  However, the internet does not have a &#039;main breaker&#039; to allow one party to do such a thing.

--TurboGeek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet should NOT (and can NOT) be &#8216;controlled&#8217; by any one or group of people, countries, organizations, or entities.  The internet was specifcally designed to be a survivable communications network that that if any part of it were rendered inoperative, the unaffected portions would still function (perhaps in a degraded fashion.)</p>
<p>Rather than be &#8216;controlled&#8217;, the internet should be &#8216;administered&#8217; by an international group that is representative of all of the stakeholders of the internet, but does not owe their allegience to any particular geo-political entity, political persuasion, economic philosophy, or religious dogma.  Administration of the internet is entirely a technical matter in terms of ensuring that data gets from it&#8217;s origin to it&#8217;s destination in an efficient, cost-effective manner, regardless of what that data is.  Those engaging in the UN control of the internet debate have a habit of swirling together content issues with connectivity issues, causing further confusion.</p>
<p>How groups and individuals use the internet is a matter of their behavior, and the subsequent judgement of it by others in a political process.  The operation of the internet is a highly technical matter which should be governed by engineering processes and not value judgements of the content represented by the data being exchanged over it.</p>
<p>Effective administration of the internet means the furhter development and refinement of engineering standards and common processes, not rules regarding permissible and prohibited content.</p>
<p>This all but rules out the UN playing a role in this activity.  One only needs to look at how many things the ITU has botched or over-politicized in the world of RF spectrum communications and wire based analog services to get an idea of what would be in store.</p>
<p>Many different groups and individuals, from despotic Governments to Public School Superintendants attempt censorship of the internet in varying ways.  Whatever the restriction imposed, a workaround is always discovered by the motivated.</p>
<p>John Gilmore, one of the founders of the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), once said &#8220;The (inter)net treats censorship as damage and routes around it.&#8221;  Whatever obstacles whomever wishes to inflict on the internet will eventually be circumvented or bypassed.  The only absolutely certain way of censoring the internet is to completely shut the entire thing off.  However, the internet does not have a &#8216;main breaker&#8217; to allow one party to do such a thing.</p>
<p>&#8211;TurboGeek</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6954/comment-page-1#comment-24345</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iran is a democracy whether we like it or not. Ahmedinjad was elected by the people, and he happens to be a very religious man. Bush was elected by the people (or so we were led to believe) and he too used his &quot;christian religious values&quot; as a selling pitch so many times.  Lets face the fact that we are a bunch of hypocrites.

As for the Internet, it should, no it MUST be under the control of the United Nations, a world body, not under the control of one single country who has shown time and again its ability to misguide, lie and censor, YES CENSOR. And its populace has shown their ignorance and trigger happy mentality oh so often.

As part and parcel of freedom of speech, we should and must be able to hear the other side, even if most of us would call the other side a bunch of terrorists, I would still like to know and hear their side of the story, not hear it from America and its goons. It is a fact that many sites that supposedly &quot;glorify terrorism&quot; have their internet plugs pulled out. THAT is censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran is a democracy whether we like it or not. Ahmedinjad was elected by the people, and he happens to be a very religious man. Bush was elected by the people (or so we were led to believe) and he too used his &#8220;christian religious values&#8221; as a selling pitch so many times.  Lets face the fact that we are a bunch of hypocrites.</p>
<p>As for the Internet, it should, no it MUST be under the control of the United Nations, a world body, not under the control of one single country who has shown time and again its ability to misguide, lie and censor, YES CENSOR. And its populace has shown their ignorance and trigger happy mentality oh so often.</p>
<p>As part and parcel of freedom of speech, we should and must be able to hear the other side, even if most of us would call the other side a bunch of terrorists, I would still like to know and hear their side of the story, not hear it from America and its goons. It is a fact that many sites that supposedly &#8220;glorify terrorism&#8221; have their internet plugs pulled out. THAT is censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6954/comment-page-1#comment-24332</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I like the use of negative metaphors as much as the next guy, I would be more likely to be persuaded by facts and constuctive arguments.

Hmm, would I be considered a conspiracy theorist if I believed your post was a fake, created for the sole purpose of adding credibility to the author&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I like the use of negative metaphors as much as the next guy, I would be more likely to be persuaded by facts and constuctive arguments.</p>
<p>Hmm, would I be considered a conspiracy theorist if I believed your post was a fake, created for the sole purpose of adding credibility to the author&#8217;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/6954/comment-page-1#comment-24294</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
This lady sounds like she&#039;s drinking koolaid with all here retoric about &#039;ADS&#039; and &#039;BDS&#039;.  Perhaps she&#039;s been reading the daily GOP talking points memos.  That type of shit instantly discredits the writer&#039;s opinions.

But since she started it, I think most people with a few brain cells in their head will agree that it&#039;s the ones that are in love with Bush that are having difficulties seeing reality.

For example, the few remaining Bush supporters seem to have trouble coming to grips with the fact that the entire 9/11 explanation given by their loving gov&#039;t is a total lie.  It doesn&#039;t take much research to figure out that WTC 1,2 and 7 were destroyed by a controlled demolition process.  And it&#039;s really obvious to most people that an administration that will go to the other side of the planet to murder/torture hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the course of &#039;National Security&#039; (read &#039;War Profiteering&#039;) wouldn&#039;t think twice about killing a few thousand peasants right here at home in order to get the ball rolling.

It&#039;s much easier on the brain to keep the rose-coloured glasses firmly in place and call anyone who disagrees &#039;crazy&#039;.  We don&#039;t want an international body to make decisions regarding the internet not because we rightfully are mistrustful of the United States, no no, it&#039;s because we&#039;re all just plum loco.  That must be it.  It&#039;s the only possible eplanation.

BTW if anyone want&#039;s to do some research, here&#039;s some a few dozen eyewitness accounts of the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7:
http://revereradionetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2336
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This lady sounds like she&#8217;s drinking koolaid with all here retoric about &#8216;ADS&#8217; and &#8216;BDS&#8217;.  Perhaps she&#8217;s been reading the daily GOP talking points memos.  That type of shit instantly discredits the writer&#8217;s opinions.</p>
<p>But since she started it, I think most people with a few brain cells in their head will agree that it&#8217;s the ones that are in love with Bush that are having difficulties seeing reality.</p>
<p>For example, the few remaining Bush supporters seem to have trouble coming to grips with the fact that the entire 9/11 explanation given by their loving gov&#8217;t is a total lie.  It doesn&#8217;t take much research to figure out that WTC 1,2 and 7 were destroyed by a controlled demolition process.  And it&#8217;s really obvious to most people that an administration that will go to the other side of the planet to murder/torture hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the course of &#8216;National Security&#8217; (read &#8216;War Profiteering&#8217;) wouldn&#8217;t think twice about killing a few thousand peasants right here at home in order to get the ball rolling.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s much easier on the brain to keep the rose-coloured glasses firmly in place and call anyone who disagrees &#8216;crazy&#8217;.  We don&#8217;t want an international body to make decisions regarding the internet not because we rightfully are mistrustful of the United States, no no, it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re all just plum loco.  That must be it.  It&#8217;s the only possible eplanation.</p>
<p>BTW if anyone want&#8217;s to do some research, here&#8217;s some a few dozen eyewitness accounts of the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7:<br />
<a href="http://revereradionetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2336" rel="nofollow">http://revereradionetwork.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2336</a></p>
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