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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25239</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only are they waiting for the magic bullet (filter) that works but as usual they are claiming one can be developed that works. Even more unbelievable is that they want someone (anyone) else to develop it. They would much prefer that Kaaza didn&#039;t exist. If they can&#039;t pull that one off, then settling for them making that filter that does work would be a nice second bet. 

Limiting it to 3000 words I am sure isn&#039;t on their agenda. They want that one that does it all, inspite of the fact that without the suppling of the data, no one but no one is going to be able to straighten out the mess of labels, studios, and purposefully hidden items that mark their property. That is the last thing they want to do is to expose what they have taken so long to hide being exposed to public eyes. Why the artists that have been ripped off might have a clue then how it was done through some other means and another label as an example. 

It also amazes me that Raphel cuts to the heart of the long term issue that is unspoken but looming in the background. One that if verbalized at this time in lawmakers ears might get them to think for once that just maybe all this protectionism has a snake pit at the other end and one that is beyond the fixing through the methods now being sought by the cartels. The cartels&#039; viewpoint is one of very limited scope; they don&#039;t care about what it might do to the rest of the world, only how it might benefit their own pocket book. 

I do guarrenty this, should I leave the sharing of files through these idiotic laws being setup, at no time in the future will they have any sort of prospective customer if I can influance them by merely speaking the truth of the attempts they have made to alter laws for thier own benefit and the results that has arisen because of those attempts. I can certainly promise this. That at no time will I assist them in their business model by buying one of their products. I will also do all in my power throught the internet to spread the word against the use, the purchase, or the consideration of their products being anything but a shame and excuse to steal from others. 

For the cartels so involved in these methods, bet on it. Nothing short of a consumer revolt for the distaining of those products will ever be satisfactory after the likes of forcing changing of laws, rootkits, and DRM infected products. I for one have had enough of it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only are they waiting for the magic bullet (filter) that works but as usual they are claiming one can be developed that works. Even more unbelievable is that they want someone (anyone) else to develop it. They would much prefer that Kaaza didn&#8217;t exist. If they can&#8217;t pull that one off, then settling for them making that filter that does work would be a nice second bet. </p>
<p>Limiting it to 3000 words I am sure isn&#8217;t on their agenda. They want that one that does it all, inspite of the fact that without the suppling of the data, no one but no one is going to be able to straighten out the mess of labels, studios, and purposefully hidden items that mark their property. That is the last thing they want to do is to expose what they have taken so long to hide being exposed to public eyes. Why the artists that have been ripped off might have a clue then how it was done through some other means and another label as an example. </p>
<p>It also amazes me that Raphel cuts to the heart of the long term issue that is unspoken but looming in the background. One that if verbalized at this time in lawmakers ears might get them to think for once that just maybe all this protectionism has a snake pit at the other end and one that is beyond the fixing through the methods now being sought by the cartels. The cartels&#8217; viewpoint is one of very limited scope; they don&#8217;t care about what it might do to the rest of the world, only how it might benefit their own pocket book. </p>
<p>I do guarrenty this, should I leave the sharing of files through these idiotic laws being setup, at no time in the future will they have any sort of prospective customer if I can influance them by merely speaking the truth of the attempts they have made to alter laws for thier own benefit and the results that has arisen because of those attempts. I can certainly promise this. That at no time will I assist them in their business model by buying one of their products. I will also do all in my power throught the internet to spread the word against the use, the purchase, or the consideration of their products being anything but a shame and excuse to steal from others. </p>
<p>For the cartels so involved in these methods, bet on it. Nothing short of a consumer revolt for the distaining of those products will ever be satisfactory after the likes of forcing changing of laws, rootkits, and DRM infected products. I for one have had enough of it!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25212</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on ya! Let&#039;s see what the ARIA will do about this - if anything!

All the best ..................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on ya! Let&#8217;s see what the ARIA will do about this &#8211; if anything!</p>
<p>All the best &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25205</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Copyright in Transcript is owned by the Commonwealth of Australia.&quot;

It only proves how ridiculous copyrights (copy protection) have become.

I wonder, is the bible copyrighted in Australia too?

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Copyright in Transcript is owned by the Commonwealth of Australia.&#8221;</p>
<p>It only proves how ridiculous copyrights (copy protection) have become.</p>
<p>I wonder, is the bible copyrighted in Australia too?</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25202</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said in other posts that filtering of files, any type, will not work will not work for various reasons.

But I have overlooked an important point that is relevant to what is going on in the Australia Kazaa case.

If filtering were to be adopted, it must also filter all types of images and text. The Internet does not belong to the music record cartels and only their &quot;copy protection&quot; is required. A photographer, an painter, a novelist, a poet, a  composer, a programmer, a movie studio, etc.  all deserves the same protection as the RIAA or ARIA Australian Recording Industry Association members.

Clearly if not all art forms were filtered then it would be plain discrimination. Certainly not all would be being treated equally under the law and that would be illegal, even if court ordered.  

But the, if equal treatment is given and all art forms were to be filtered,  the problem of creating and maintaining the necessary filter criteria databases for each type of art (ID, Copyright status, file fingerprints bits...) on a worldwide basis would be such a monumental, technical and labor undertaking that it would not be practical. I doubt anyone will attempt to grab this bull by the horn.

I have not even considered the delays that will be caused to Internet traffic as a result of having to check every file until it matches the filtering criteria. Just imagine, a program made up of 1,000 small files is to be downloaded. Each file, to make sure that the program does not contain and illegally copied code, has to be checked against the (impossible to maintain) filter criteria database with 50 million programmer work items. Now you have that a program that you could download in a matter of seconds or minutes through a fast Internet would take an unknown number of hours to get through the molasses filtered Internet. I suspect that everything will slow down, not just the downloadong of files.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said in other posts that filtering of files, any type, will not work will not work for various reasons.</p>
<p>But I have overlooked an important point that is relevant to what is going on in the Australia Kazaa case.</p>
<p>If filtering were to be adopted, it must also filter all types of images and text. The Internet does not belong to the music record cartels and only their &#8220;copy protection&#8221; is required. A photographer, an painter, a novelist, a poet, a  composer, a programmer, a movie studio, etc.  all deserves the same protection as the RIAA or ARIA Australian Recording Industry Association members.</p>
<p>Clearly if not all art forms were filtered then it would be plain discrimination. Certainly not all would be being treated equally under the law and that would be illegal, even if court ordered.  </p>
<p>But the, if equal treatment is given and all art forms were to be filtered,  the problem of creating and maintaining the necessary filter criteria databases for each type of art (ID, Copyright status, file fingerprints bits&#8230;) on a worldwide basis would be such a monumental, technical and labor undertaking that it would not be practical. I doubt anyone will attempt to grab this bull by the horn.</p>
<p>I have not even considered the delays that will be caused to Internet traffic as a result of having to check every file until it matches the filtering criteria. Just imagine, a program made up of 1,000 small files is to be downloaded. Each file, to make sure that the program does not contain and illegally copied code, has to be checked against the (impossible to maintain) filter criteria database with 50 million programmer work items. Now you have that a program that you could download in a matter of seconds or minutes through a fast Internet would take an unknown number of hours to get through the molasses filtered Internet. I suspect that everything will slow down, not just the downloadong of files.</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25181</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 02:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, then have someone intrepret it for those of us not used to long winded lawyer talk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, then have someone intrepret it for those of us not used to long winded lawyer talk</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25180</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 02:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehm, the filtering deadline hasn&#039;t been struck down. The order from Thursday  says:

&quot;Order 4 made on 5 September 2005 be further stayed from midnight on 5 December 2005 until further order of the Full Court or a Judge but only so long as there is compliance with the following terms:

	(a)	by midnight on 5 December 2005 the second respondent is:

(i)	to issue a new release of its Kazaa file sharing software (“KMD”) which contains a non-optional keyword filter that excludes from search results any results containing any of the 3000 keywords notified by the applicants to the second respondent on 4 November 2005;

(ii)	to implement dialogue boxes on the Kazaa website in such a manner as to place maximum pressure on KMD users to obtain the updated release;&quot;

Which is why Sharman included the phrase &quot;conditional on Sharman modifying its software&quot; in their press release ... sometimes it helps to actually read the court orders and not only the Sharman spin. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehm, the filtering deadline hasn&#8217;t been struck down. The order from Thursday  says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Order 4 made on 5 September 2005 be further stayed from midnight on 5 December 2005 until further order of the Full Court or a Judge but only so long as there is compliance with the following terms:</p>
<p>	(a)	by midnight on 5 December 2005 the second respondent is:</p>
<p>(i)	to issue a new release of its Kazaa file sharing software (“KMD”) which contains a non-optional keyword filter that excludes from search results any results containing any of the 3000 keywords notified by the applicants to the second respondent on 4 November 2005;</p>
<p>(ii)	to implement dialogue boxes on the Kazaa website in such a manner as to place maximum pressure on KMD users to obtain the updated release;&#8221;</p>
<p>Which is why Sharman included the phrase &#8220;conditional on Sharman modifying its software&#8221; in their press release &#8230; sometimes it helps to actually read the court orders and not only the Sharman spin. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7123/comment-page-1#comment-25175</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Copyright in Transcript is owned by the Commonwealth of Australia. Apart from any use permitted under the Copyright Act 1968 you are not permitted to reproduce, adapt, re-transmit or distribute the Transcript material in any form or by any means without seeking prior written approval from the Federal Court of Australia.&quot;

hope you got permission for this Jon.  :)

Good article, took me a long time to read it.  to be honest I got lost half way through it and couldn&#039;t tell who&#039;s side who was on.  guess that&#039;s what I get for not speaking lawyerese.  However I could understand the judge.

Personally I sincerly hope that Audible Magic is implemented.  I want to see the industry put all their hopes on this great savior only to have it fail miserably in the public eye.  then maybe congress for forget about that solution.  What I don&#039;t understand is that other p2p networks called the industry&#039;s bluff on Audible Magic and offered to test it but the industry refused to allow it.  curious.


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<p>hope you got permission for this Jon.  <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good article, took me a long time to read it.  to be honest I got lost half way through it and couldn&#8217;t tell who&#8217;s side who was on.  guess that&#8217;s what I get for not speaking lawyerese.  However I could understand the judge.</p>
<p>Personally I sincerly hope that Audible Magic is implemented.  I want to see the industry put all their hopes on this great savior only to have it fail miserably in the public eye.  then maybe congress for forget about that solution.  What I don&#8217;t understand is that other p2p networks called the industry&#8217;s bluff on Audible Magic and offered to test it but the industry refused to allow it.  curious.</p>
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