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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25773</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been going on for years and years.at least since 1998 that im sure of.  why did it take so long for them to figure it out?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been going on for years and years.at least since 1998 that im sure of.  why did it take so long for them to figure it out?????</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25753</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25752</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 03:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It happened to me, too. Luckily, I had someone with some clout on my side and it was quickly hushed-up. 

Sue the s-o-b&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It happened to me, too. Luckily, I had someone with some clout on my side and it was quickly hushed-up. </p>
<p>Sue the s-o-b&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25749</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2005 02:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i signed up for a free account in may.  cancelled it

(through their automated phone service to cancel your account)  yes they actually have this feature.

found out that it didn&#039;t actually cancel my account.. even the number it had generated was not legit.  i called very angry and wanted my money for 2 months they had billed me for.  they told me they would refund the account but could not CLOSE my account until the money was refunded.  i told her that was the stupidest thing i had ever heard.  2 weeks later the money was refunded.  i called and cancelled the service AGAIN.  still waiting for next month to see what happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i signed up for a free account in may.  cancelled it</p>
<p>(through their automated phone service to cancel your account)  yes they actually have this feature.</p>
<p>found out that it didn&#8217;t actually cancel my account.. even the number it had generated was not legit.  i called very angry and wanted my money for 2 months they had billed me for.  they told me they would refund the account but could not CLOSE my account until the money was refunded.  i told her that was the stupidest thing i had ever heard.  2 weeks later the money was refunded.  i called and cancelled the service AGAIN.  still waiting for next month to see what happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25718</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own experiences with AOL resemble the others described here. Yet, the venal, vicious leeches eventually agreed to set me up on some sort of âPay by the actual time spent onlineâ scam, where I was assured that my monthly bill would be $4.95/mo, unless I exceeded a certain specified time limitation each month. The only reason I went for it was that I wanted to have about a month to let my correspondents know of my intended change to Sprint (Ohmygawd!!!! That was an even bigger nightmare than AOL!!!)

So, I ordered Sprint (and to this day do not fully understand why I let them screw me out of $180.00 for the âfree giftâ I was supposed to receive for signing up). In the meantime, my next bill from AOL, which I had used less than miserly (spending no more than ten minutes per day â which would have been five minutes per day except for their lengthy login rigmarole!!) was for $35.00!!!!!

Leave out the grisly details, but they never did drop that bill, and in fact continued to bill me at the usual $21.95/month fee for six months afterwards! Like many, I asked my bank to change my credit card number. Failing to do so, they lost my business to a different bank, where I heaped all my credit card debt into one monthly bill, with a NEW CREDIT CARD number!

All of that was about seven or eight years ago. Itâs amazing what lessons of life will be force-fed down the throats of generally unsuspecting, honest, law-abiding citizens by the avaricious denizens of cyber-space -- supposedly upright, honest, legitimate American companies. I have tried to tell everyone I know of my AOL and Sprint experiences, but itâs amazing how many people still use them! My poor sister still believes that it was her daughter and son-in-law that drove her AOL bill so high every month!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own experiences with AOL resemble the others described here. Yet, the venal, vicious leeches eventually agreed to set me up on some sort of âPay by the actual time spent onlineâ scam, where I was assured that my monthly bill would be $4.95/mo, unless I exceeded a certain specified time limitation each month. The only reason I went for it was that I wanted to have about a month to let my correspondents know of my intended change to Sprint (Ohmygawd!!!! That was an even bigger nightmare than AOL!!!)</p>
<p>So, I ordered Sprint (and to this day do not fully understand why I let them screw me out of $180.00 for the âfree giftâ I was supposed to receive for signing up). In the meantime, my next bill from AOL, which I had used less than miserly (spending no more than ten minutes per day â which would have been five minutes per day except for their lengthy login rigmarole!!) was for $35.00!!!!!</p>
<p>Leave out the grisly details, but they never did drop that bill, and in fact continued to bill me at the usual $21.95/month fee for six months afterwards! Like many, I asked my bank to change my credit card number. Failing to do so, they lost my business to a different bank, where I heaped all my credit card debt into one monthly bill, with a NEW CREDIT CARD number!</p>
<p>All of that was about seven or eight years ago. Itâs amazing what lessons of life will be force-fed down the throats of generally unsuspecting, honest, law-abiding citizens by the avaricious denizens of cyber-space &#8212; supposedly upright, honest, legitimate American companies. I have tried to tell everyone I know of my AOL and Sprint experiences, but itâs amazing how many people still use them! My poor sister still believes that it was her daughter and son-in-law that drove her AOL bill so high every month!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25717</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you want to know how much those disks cost?  Here&#039;s an example:  A friend of mine is a manager for a indy music rock band.  They had a CD professionally pressed, duplicated, and packaged.  Total cost for 1,000 CDs, plus packaging? ~$1,300.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you want to know how much those disks cost?  Here&#8217;s an example:  A friend of mine is a manager for a indy music rock band.  They had a CD professionally pressed, duplicated, and packaged.  Total cost for 1,000 CDs, plus packaging? ~$1,300.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25708</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used the free month service about six times over a couple of years and managed to avoid paying.

The software is bloatware, I agree. But if you say install using the disks through the mail, and be sure to cancel four or five days before the &#039;trial&#039; is up, you&#039;re free. 

I think if you choose to sign up, use the small print. AOL feeds of peoples laziness or the fact that often you forget. 

I think, in total, I probably got nine months free dial up from them. A couple of times when I phoned up to cancel, they&#039;d chuck in a month or two to keep me going!

But this is the UK experience talking here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the free month service about six times over a couple of years and managed to avoid paying.</p>
<p>The software is bloatware, I agree. But if you say install using the disks through the mail, and be sure to cancel four or five days before the &#8216;trial&#8217; is up, you&#8217;re free. </p>
<p>I think if you choose to sign up, use the small print. AOL feeds of peoples laziness or the fact that often you forget. </p>
<p>I think, in total, I probably got nine months free dial up from them. A couple of times when I phoned up to cancel, they&#8217;d chuck in a month or two to keep me going!</p>
<p>But this is the UK experience talking here.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25695</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This as much as loading down your computer with excess junk not needed by the user but used to both reap information from the user and provide most of the time unwanted ads is what makes AOL so disliked by those that are old hands to the net. 

The very worse thing you can do is provide such a company your credit card info to either prove you are 21 or to get service from them. They are just short of being as bad as spyware and malware and once they get their hooks in your credit account, they leech as long as possible. 

The old scam of terminating your account with a credit in user time wore thin long ago. Also the one of giving you a free month of service if you bitch, doesn&#039;t fix the problem of rogue operations and methods. 

There is one thing I would thank AOL for and it is about the only thing I can think of where I would credit them with anything. That is proving that cd&#039;s don&#039;t cost that much. Doesn&#039;t take a wizard to figure out if you see them everywhere and get them in the mail to boot, they aren&#039;t very expensive to make. Up till that point the cartels had that new shiny disc and no one could say it what cost that to make the disc. Now everyone and their brother knows they aren&#039;t expensive. Very hard to justify the price of paid for music when looking at it that way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This as much as loading down your computer with excess junk not needed by the user but used to both reap information from the user and provide most of the time unwanted ads is what makes AOL so disliked by those that are old hands to the net. </p>
<p>The very worse thing you can do is provide such a company your credit card info to either prove you are 21 or to get service from them. They are just short of being as bad as spyware and malware and once they get their hooks in your credit account, they leech as long as possible. </p>
<p>The old scam of terminating your account with a credit in user time wore thin long ago. Also the one of giving you a free month of service if you bitch, doesn&#8217;t fix the problem of rogue operations and methods. </p>
<p>There is one thing I would thank AOL for and it is about the only thing I can think of where I would credit them with anything. That is proving that cd&#8217;s don&#8217;t cost that much. Doesn&#8217;t take a wizard to figure out if you see them everywhere and get them in the mail to boot, they aren&#8217;t very expensive to make. Up till that point the cartels had that new shiny disc and no one could say it what cost that to make the disc. Now everyone and their brother knows they aren&#8217;t expensive. Very hard to justify the price of paid for music when looking at it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25692</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also to make things worse the RCMP in canada did nothing to solve this case of theft. I had to do the whole thing. We just don&#039;t have the man power to spend time on this sort of thing I was told. Lots of time to eat donuts and pull cars over for no seatbelts though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also to make things worse the RCMP in canada did nothing to solve this case of theft. I had to do the whole thing. We just don&#8217;t have the man power to spend time on this sort of thing I was told. Lots of time to eat donuts and pull cars over for no seatbelts though.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25689</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOL stoled thousands of $ from me and I got my money back from my bank, but they did not say they were sorry. I did not ever sign up for AOL or ever go to there web site (nothing). Someone signed up using my imformation from a cheque. They then took thousands of dallars from my account. they have no secruity to stop this sort of thing and do nothing but give you a hard time for saying - WTF where is my money? Google AOL theft and you will see a problem that is growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOL stoled thousands of $ from me and I got my money back from my bank, but they did not say they were sorry. I did not ever sign up for AOL or ever go to there web site (nothing). Someone signed up using my imformation from a cheque. They then took thousands of dallars from my account. they have no secruity to stop this sort of thing and do nothing but give you a hard time for saying &#8211; WTF where is my money? Google AOL theft and you will see a problem that is growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25684</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOL Has sent me Disks offering free for the 1st month. Every time I had called to in form them that my credit card has been charged they have refused to give me credit for the charges. I say AOL Sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOL Has sent me Disks offering free for the 1st month. Every time I had called to in form them that my credit card has been charged they have refused to give me credit for the charges. I say AOL Sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7195/comment-page-1#comment-25678</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;AOL has instructed customer-service contractors such as ICT to prevent AOL subscribers from canceling their accounts &#039;at all costs&#039; and to resist giving refunds.&quot;

They also tell the customer that the account is canceled then give them six months free.  the customer thinks it&#039;s over with then six months later finds the charges reacurring on their credit card statement.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;AOL has instructed customer-service contractors such as ICT to prevent AOL subscribers from canceling their accounts &#8216;at all costs&#8217; and to resist giving refunds.&#8221;</p>
<p>They also tell the customer that the account is canceled then give them six months free.  the customer thinks it&#8217;s over with then six months later finds the charges reacurring on their credit card statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AOL is like the &quot;Roach Motel&quot;, once you check in, you never check out. They&#039;ve been doing this for years. In my case, it took several phone calls and the cancellation of my credit card to get rid of them. That was a bad experience and a lesson learned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOL is like the &#8220;Roach Motel&#8221;, once you check in, you never check out. They&#8217;ve been doing this for years. In my case, it took several phone calls and the cancellation of my credit card to get rid of them. That was a bad experience and a lesson learned.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 06:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another reason not to sign up with this monolith.</description>
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