DON’T USE KAZAA! warning
p2p news / p2pnet: If anyone in Oz was planning to use Sharman Networks’ Kazaa p2p application >>>>>>>>
Australian federal court justice Murray Wilcox had given Kazaa until today to comply with an order to come up with a keyword filtering system based on a 3,000-word library supplied by the members of the Big Four Organized Music family.
Sharman was reportedly on the verge of handing off, in effect, to Audible Magic, an application touted heavily by the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) and which, according to RIAA boss Mitch Bainwol, would have been perfect for the job.
Notwithstanding, lawyer Michael Williams, representing the Big Four’s ARIA (Australian Recording Industry Association), suddenly cancelled a special expert’s meeting in which Audible Magic came up, putting an end to its possible deployment and leaving Sharman in the lurch.
Former ARIA spokesman Michael Speck is on record as saying the ARIA was interested only closing down Kazaa’s “illegal” operations, not in wiping it out.
But ARIA president Stephen Peach recently told the Sydney Morning Herald, “There will have to be filters in place by Dec. 5 or Kazaa will be shut down”.
Moreover, Speck retired recently and according to a p2pnet source in Australia, Felicity Moffatt looks likely to become the Big Music ‘trade’ association’s spokeswoman and, “Moffatt said that the Australian record companies were intending to pursue WORLDWIDE damages against Kazaa,”.
Tired of being treated like a criminal? They depend on you, not the other way around. Don’t buy their ‘product’. Do bug your local political representatives. Use emails, snail-mail, phone calls, faxes, IM, stop them in the street, blog. And if you’re into organizing, organize petitions, organize demonstrations and then turn up on your local political rep’s doorstep, making sure you’ve contacted your local tv/radio station/newspaper in advance.
Also read:-
in the lurch – Big Music drops Audible Magic, December 1, 2005
WORLDWIDE damages – Oz Kazaa Kase: more, December 2, 2005
December 5th, 2005 at 6:42 pm
yeah right
December 5th, 2005 at 6:46 pm
people still use Kazaa?
o_O
December 5th, 2005 at 6:48 pm
Ha ha ha losers, and I mean the RIAA, and everyone behind this conrnering KaZaa thing. Now, I can’t care less, because KaZaa sucks anyway.
Shutdown KaZaa, and people will simply move from one network to the next. Spend lots of money on your stupid lawyers, money that you could save instead, makin’ account towards profit, but NO, you are wastin that money, as if in by doing so you’ll force some converts into buying content; ha ha ha you idiots, that’s not gonna happen.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:57 pm
just to have another network come up…
December 6th, 2005 at 12:42 am
Since the dawn of time we have evolved from almost everything,
to clothing, hairdo’s , cars, technology.
clothing in regular stores now a days cost over 20 , 40 , 80 dollars for one pair of paints or shirt , what is cheaper to go to a store like goodwill and find it the same pants the same shirt that same dress that cost an arm and a leg a lot cheaper than what it cost in Walmart or Sears or even J.C. Penny’s .
But yet there is some people that is true to form and must , must , buy from these stores because they’ve grown up getting the things they always wanted and the richer the better.
take for instance dvd’s or cd’s which is the controversy of this constant but annoying battle the riaa is going threw with users of the Internet (I will never honor the riaa by capitalizing their name).
The riaa constantly barges in people’s houses trying to take their children away from them because they file share music by using p2p file sharing systems like Kazaa or Grokster or Morpheus, which the riaa have spys and hackers on them watching their every move and once in a while sending their little and hopefully harmless viruses through the songs that people download.
And the Record Companies complain because their paychecks aren’t as big as it used to be and their wives and children might have to go with-out their fur coats and expensive toys, because way back when in the 80’s cd’s and tapes were only for 15 to 20 dollars and people such as the terrible Teenagers (as I think the riaa calls them )
used to buy up a lot of them for half of the price that they are today.
I went to Walmart the other day and did a price check for 40 dollars I could get to popular movies , so I went to a place where they had cd’s and dvd’s both and for 80 dollars I got the two movies that walmart had plus two popular cd’s and 4 playstations 2 games all popular all very , very expensive at the regular stores including walmart which sells how low it’s prices are through comercials.
and I didn’t get them off the net , didn’t pay for them they weren’t hot or the piracy dvd people in New York on a street corner tried to sell me.
I got it through a cheap but very well stocked with good cd’s and excellent movies, store and none of them movies were from off the file sharing systems the riaa is so afraid of .
So lets ask ourselves about the prices we all have to pay.
Some do it to be miss popular, some do it to show authority and they think respect.
But I think they do it because they are old fashioned and they can’t keep up with the times of Technology.
like I say for my title
Since The Dawon Of Time We Have Evolved
too bad for the world the Record Companies and movie companies and the riaa have not!!!!!!!!
signed
LadyMatika
December 6th, 2005 at 9:31 am
How the hell is an old version of kazaa gonna know what country it’s in, let alone if it is meant to have been shut down.
Fastrack lives on, how can they take kazaa down?
December 6th, 2005 at 9:37 am
DON’T USE KAZAA WELL I PAYED FOR KAZAA. THINGS WENT ASS UP MY END I LOST KAZAA NOW THE BASTARDS WONT LET ME RE-DOWNLOAD THE PROGRAM AGAIN
December 6th, 2005 at 10:57 am
the isp can block the ports that kazaa (fasttrack) uses, that’s how.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:58 am
demand your money back. and sue them for falsely advertising life-time memberships.
PS: why the hell did oyu pay them?
December 6th, 2005 at 11:20 am
these are the isps that are now shutting down sites becuase they might own the voip that will kill them too. Too bad they were’t able to shut down anything when they were making fortunes on the back of infringing activity
December 6th, 2005 at 11:36 am
We all have equipment that can be used for copying legally or against the wishes of the copyright holder. Take as an example, the photocopy machine at home. You use it to copy a letter you wrote. That is perfectly legal. You can also use it to copy an article in the newspaper about your achivement in which you collaborated with the newspaper, givin up your free time. You make 10 copies to give to your relatives and friends. One of the relatives is fighting a war for your country 10,000 miles away. If you copy that article you are technically a copyright infringer and, per RIAA, a thief. The soldier, by receiving the newspaper article and copying also becomes a “criminal” infringer”. If the soldier only knew who he was fighting for: The makers of him a criminal.
Clearly the copyright rules must be that non commercial scale copying is legal, regardless if the copies are physical objects (a a photocopy) or a non physical copy (as an mp3 file).
The previous paragraph is simply to illustrate the effect of the ridiculous proposition that copying is a crime. Now to the real issue of this post: Filtering.
Clearly, as has been pointed out before, if non physical copies are to be prohibited through p2p systems (for example, Kazaa), then a copyright filter is required, so that the prohibition does not prohibit the legal copying of public domain works or the like (Creative Commons, for example), whether photographs, text or software.
But there is an additional requirement. There ae hundreds of legal jurisdictions in the world. A work that is in the public domain in one country or legal jurisdiction may not be so in another. For example, in New York state, nothing is in the public domain, as a state court has decided that copyrights duration never ends. That is a contradiction with the copyright law of the USA and of any other country. But in a crazy court system, anything goes.
Clearly whatever filter is developed and required on p2p software must also take into account the various jurisdictions. A song that can be legally downloaded in Spain (where downloading is legal) may not be download in New York.
I hope the judge in australia hears what I have just written and figures out what to do with filtering of all files types and for sharing to all jusrisdictions, in a rational manner.
Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas
December 6th, 2005 at 1:01 pm
right said fred
December 6th, 2005 at 4:30 pm
This message is proof of the need for:
1. A good spell checker,
2. A good grammar checker; and failing that,
3. Better writing education in school.
@LadyMatika, there is a use for the comma. Please look up the proper usage really soon.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:24 pm
The pont of her story was NOT lost because her grammar is not
up to some peoples standards.
I understood it just fine.
The internet is worldwide, and sometimes english is a
second or even 3rd language to for some posters here.
Anonymous coward , the world does not revolve around english.
Dreddsnik
Boycott-RIAA.com
December 6th, 2005 at 6:36 pm
I almost wrote something very similar. Man, that was really hard to read.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:07 pm
Keep at it, LadyMatika.
I really like your stuff.
Cheers!
December 6th, 2005 at 7:27 pm
Nice post once again, Rafael Venegas. Makes one think about this copyright issue. The funny thing is (and I bet this holds true in your legal cases) is that almost no one in the court system thinks twice of getting a few copies of whatever document is needed to support the case in court. Now how many of those lawyers, or even the judge for that matter, actually pay attention to copyright when doing that? How many are researching copyright to see if they are infringing? It seems to me that copyright for commercial usage is well protected. No one seems to give a second thought to occasional infringement such as the example above as being out of the ordinary or even consider such as infringement. In the sense of the example, infringement is far more rampant than anyone wants to admit.
The example above provides proof that there needs to be some sort of level at which infringement doesn’t exist as a legal violation. It isn’t just p2p’ers that are infringing pirates (to use the favored word of the cartels) but rather in the course of business, education, and even journalism such things occur everyday without a second thought. In most cases it isn’t even possible to spend the time needed to determine it is or isn’t infringement. Add to that the impossibility of variances of law across the world in regionality, the hidden shell corporations that allow one corporation to actually hold such a copyright while another defends it and obscures the holder, or even that such copyright might be a local item and not at a national level and we are left with a hodgepoge, patchwork, and impossible code of laws that nillywilly make criminals of the most well meaning citizens.
Copyright and patent sort of go hand in hand. In the US it is impossible to know if you are infringing on patent. As it is now set up, a development corporation in say software is a minefield. I read an article last night that mentioned that some of those silicon valley corporations are paying better than a 1000 different companies for licenses where each company holds a bit or peice that contributes to the whole to make possible say a software to work in which that silicon company might need as a development tool. Patents have also gotten out of hand where they are granted without though investigation by the patent office to determine if they should even have a patent on a method. Some of those methods are patented long after usage has become standard. Example: the double click is now held as a patent by Microsucks. It has long been a method of activating programs and has been used worldwide by computer users since at least the 1980’s. However Microsucks only recieved the patent this past year (if memory serves me right).
Where these problems of defination exist leads to companies that don’t produce anything as a product but lawsuits. There are the vultures that buy companies solely for the patents those companies hold and then wait for an infringement to take place to sue. Some of these patents should never have been granted due to them occuring already in the past and not being new methods. Those companies being held up for licensing may license for years only to find that the patent was invalid. Those sueing can and do recieve support by the court in the form of holding a potential infringer a possible before determining guilty and the portential infringer is in most cases told they will quit the potential infringement until it is settled in court. That means you run a company that say uses the browers in everday work and it is the source of the claim, then you will not use the browser in the course of work until settled. In some cases that means total shutdown of the company till it is settled. That might be years in the doing. Worse you could pay for years to find the licensee has no validity. Take the jpeg as an example. It is held by a company that is most aggressive in sueing for licensing status and infringement. It has been lately proved that the jpeg method existed 20 prior to the issuance of the patent and should have never been issued and further should be invalidated. All those companies that use this format and have been sued are just up the creek for recovery of any of those funds, so are those that licensed the product as they may well find now they never had to pay for it in the first place.
Truely, copyright and patent are out of hand in the legal enforcement area.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:35 pm
My kingdom for an edit button Jon!
In the above post,
“jpeg method existed 20 prior to the issuance of the patent” should read
“jpeg method existed 20 years prior to the issuance of the patent”
“Those companies being held up for licensing may license for years only to find that the patent was invalid. Those sueing can and do recieve support by the court in the form of holding a potential infringer a possible before determining guilty and the portential infringer is in most cases told they will quit the potential infringement until it is settled in court.” should read
“Those companies being held up for licensing may license for years only to find that the patent was invalid. Those sueing can and do recieve support by the court in the form of holding a potential infringement as possible before determining guilty and the potential infringer is in most cases told they will quit the potential infringement until it is settled in court.”
grrr, type to dang fast.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:43 pm
We who use English everyday, may know the right or wrong of usage. However we don’t get it right everytime either.
You take someone struggling with English as a second or third language and I think we should all cut them a bit of slack. Should we deny another potential member and protester of corporation warfare because they didn’t dot all the i’s and tees in their post? This isn’t just a one country problem we are all talking about. Can you write perfect Japanese or Dutch to communicate with LadyMatika in whatever might be her native language?
I say to LadyMatika, don’t stop appearing here, we need all the help we can get in every country, not just that one we are nativity born in.
For those complaining of grammatical errors, howabout saving them for the truely worthy ones like those that write TH4T$ K33L?
December 6th, 2005 at 7:53 pm
there is a “preview” button next to the “submit” button.
December 6th, 2005 at 8:02 pm
http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.com/grammardiscussion.html
discuss it, compain about it…whatever…over THERE. but please don’t insult the contributors here. your comments are a waste of time and space.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
anybody know a good p2p client? with no spyware and shit.