p2pnet - rss feed: The ‘idea that may save Kazaa’
p2p news / p2pnet: "Hi there," says a comment post under our the current AAMII installment to the Audible Magic Kazaa saga.
"I’m a lawyer from Israel dealing mainly with the Internet and I wrote several articles (in Hebrew) on the subject of file sharing software trying to drive the point that sharing music should be free and that there are economical models that would allow the music industry to benefit from such free and unlimited sharing of music.
"I have some information regarding the latest move taken by Sharman Networks to block Australians from using Kazaa, the information would be very interesting to the public." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Aren’t you wondering how come the idea to filter Australian users instead of filtering content was never raised before yesterday?
You must have noticed that in all the articles and statements made by Sharman Networks in the last several months and in all the court documents Sharman Networks had only 2 choices, either to install the content filter or to close its business, no one talked about a simple solution that would prevent Australians from using the software and still let the rest of the world enjot Kazaa like today.
The fact of the matter is that I emailed the idea to Sharman Networks some 10 days ago (see the email below) and also posted my idea as a talkback response in 2 articles about Kazaa that were published in Slyck.com. Sharman Networks obviously implemented my idea, currently without crediting me for it.
I think that the public has a right to know how Sharman Networks got to the idea that may save Kazaa. I sent them my idea to block Australians under the concept that information and ideas should also be shared on the Internet freely (not just media files). Sharing ideas without asking monetary compensation can be extremely beneficial to the Internet and to the world in general, as happened in this case. This is an important issue not just to me personally (as it may deter me from letting other people and companies free access to my ideas) but to the entire p2p community, that community has a right to know that the idea came from one of them.
I would appreciate if you make this information public and contact Sharman Networks to receive its comments.
Regards,
Itai Leshem, Tel-Aviv
+972-54-2172720
Here is the original email I sent to email addresses I found of Sharman Networks (I also forwarded it 2 days later to julie.fenwick@iicpr.com):
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From: Itai Leshem <ileshem@gmail.com>
Date: Nov 25, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: An Idea that may keep Sharman Networks alive
To: queries@sharmannews.com, sharman@iicpr.com
Hi,
I’m a guy from Israel working as a lawyer and I think you may want to hear an idea that may save Sharman Networks:
If the Australian courts are mainly concerned with piracy in Australia then instead of installing a filtering software for copyrighted content, simply don’t allow Austaralian surfers to use Kazza by letting Kazza check the IP of its users, so basically you filter the users instead of the content. The rest of the world would still be able to use Kazza like today and the Australian surfers can use a different P2P software.
Its a long shot because I am not familar with the Australian law, but if the Australian copyright laws are terrestrial then the courts should be satisfied with a solution that would prevent copyright violations in Australia only.
Please don’t discard this email before consulting a lawyer/manager in Sharman Networks.
Thanks,
Itai Leshem, Tel-Aviv.
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As I said I also posted my ideas as a talkback response on Slyck:
The 21st response here: http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16659
and the fifth response here: http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16731
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Knowing that the chances of my idea to reach managers in Sharman would increase if I contact as much people as possible in Sharman I also wrote my ideas, at the same date of sending the first emails (November 25) in the forms Kazaa provides below:
http://www.kazaa.com/us/contact/bug.htm
http://www.kazaa.com/us/contact/advertisingenquiry.htm
http://www.kazaa.com/us/contact/businessenquiry.htm
Also read:-
Audible Magic Kazaa saga - Spin is a wonderful thing, December 6, 2005
content filter - Big Music drops Audible Magic, December 1, 2005
December 7th, 2005 at 2:02 am
Itai should sue for breach of copyright
December 7th, 2005 at 3:10 am
Why should the RIAA or any of it’s counter parts do any thing legal, when they want to scew someone they run to congress and get a new law passed and if it not quite what they wanted they procede anyway, when they get caught breaking the law no one outside the internet hears about it, Boy-cott all RIAA products, the United States goverment has sold it’s soul to corporate america, and the american people down the river.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:42 am
lol… this guy is a hack trying to take credit for a LOGICAL choice… I thought of this months ago, no doubt others have as well…
just cause the guy emailed Kazaa does not show that other people didn’t email them first or that they even read his email…..
how the heck does this make it as a news story at p2pnet?? this stupid garbage tarnishes p2pnet… *shakes his head*
December 7th, 2005 at 10:11 am
NO!! I thought of it first!
December 7th, 2005 at 10:32 am
the best is close kazaa for all users go to emule, ares, edonkey and torrent secure networks without corrupt downloads.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:49 am
you haven’t read the mission statement?
tsk, tsk.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:02 pm
Yes, one could implement a simply filter using the IP addess as the CIDRs that are assign to various countries are readily available from many sources. The IP address is the only reliable indicator of exactly where packets are being sent. Sharman could then say: “We are not sending any data packets containing potentially infringing material to any IPs in Australia.”
The question then becomes “What happens to those packets after they’ve reached their non-Australian destination?” An Australian could simply use a proxy located in another jurisdiction and it would look like he was physically in that jurisdiction. It doesn’t even have to be a ‘real’ proxy service. It could be his cousins computer in Aukland that’s set up to relay. Even simpler would be to use AOL where AOL’s virtual network adapter gets assigned an AOL IP, giving it’s location as Dulles Virginia, likely.
I suppose the filter by IP solution would satisfy the letter of the law in a technical way, but it would be very easy for someone to work around with little effort.
–TurboGeek
December 7th, 2005 at 12:53 pm
Yes it’s garbage ans being spammed all over other p2p sites.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:06 pm
The asshole who `wrote` this is a 2bit spammer who is trashing p2p sites with his nonsensical horse$hit…please for the love of this site remove this dud story & ban the assclown who has been spamming this $hit…
December 7th, 2005 at 1:24 pm
I agree with this guy who says, why have this article published, because as I see it, this guy is braggin that sharman networks “stole” his ideas.
WTF, so if 10 other people sent the same idea to sharman networks, does that mean, they have to credit each person???
And on another note, what does this person wants kazaa to say, Thanks for Mr.XYZ and we are closing Kazaa because of his ideas!!!! I mean p2p should be allowed in ALL COUNTRIES of the world, not banned by country WTF!!!
d_lame2003
December 7th, 2005 at 1:24 pm
I know the guy who wrote the above, and while I think he is an assclown himself of the highest order, I actually have to agree with him on this one………
December 8th, 2005 at 4:30 am
It seems this guy has raised a lot of hackles with his claims. The crowd at Slyck are having a particular nasty hissy fit with this guy’s posts. Particularly from some guy who supposedly worked for Sharman and I suppose was given the boot or quit. Seems like that guy has a chip about the size of a city block on his shoulder. He seems more interested in seeing Kazaa go down than worry at all about the music cartel using it’s success against Kazaa to attack ALL p2p..including the “good intentions” p2p applications.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:55 am
For noticing and pointing out the obvious charade going on in Slyck regarding my posts and claim. Sure, I have no definite proof (yet) for my claim but some of the posts there have other motives than finding out the truth and contributing to the p2p community.
Itai
ileshem@gmail.com
December 8th, 2005 at 8:29 am
This idiot posted this on Slyck:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/sharman-denies-lawyers-claim/2005/12/08/1133829710467.html
Sharman networks deny anything to do with this moron!
December 8th, 2005 at 9:35 am
He may be a moron but in the link you provided Sharman admits getting the emails from him.
December 8th, 2005 at 9:38 am
To be honest, an no disrespect to the claimed originator of the idea, does it really matter? The Slyck crowd has really had enough. It would be most wise to just drop the matter. Once the point is made, continuation where it isn’t welcome is a guarentee of either group censorship as they have already learned of it the first time or a ban for ignoring those who ensure that peace is kept within the forum. It is after all their job to do so within the forum.
Your point was already made. Please understand, I don’t post there so I am not one of the crowd from there. However I have already read the thread in its entirety. Simply, the folks at Slyck got the message the first time around.
December 8th, 2005 at 9:49 am
Icon Network got the email, not Sharman. He may have sent an email, but he talking through his ass - he has so much brown stuff spewing from his mouth…..
December 8th, 2005 at 10:33 am
All credit to P2Pnet for giving people the space to voice their opinion in this way. However, this guy appears to have some sort of attention seeking disorder, and I consider it a shame that you weren’t a little more circumspect over his claims.
He has posted everywhere he can, sending letters to newspapers and shouting rom the highest roofpoint that he is some sort of saviour to Kazaa.
He has had the temerity for taking credit for telling Kazaa to do what the Australian high court told him to do.
He has offered no credibile evidence to support his assertions save an email that he purportedly sent.
Sharman themselves deny knowing him or hearing from him.
He has thoroughly misunderstood the Australian Copy Act 1968 (as amended) S103, thus demonstrating the pitfalls of learning law from somewhere like Google.
His opinion has been rubbished at Slyck and by the Sydney Morning Herald (both of whom bothered to check out the facts before reporting them) and by Sharman themselves.
This man is a crackpot
December 8th, 2005 at 11:37 pm
Hey Nikki, when you face the court for cross examination in Sydney, you will either have to tell the truth revealing all the parties involved, all the way to Mark Dyne and the Skype Billions. Or you will have to perjure yourself. Your fancy words will count for nothing then. Of course you could always opt for a life on the run. Maybe you could do a Christopher Skase. You decided to turn your integrity off a long time ago. There is no right way to do the wrong thing. You are off track, and playing a losing game.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:46 am
It seems the “Slyck” crowd are just interested in having posts being made from “their” members. They made more of a story of it by ganging up on the guy. Mostly, their attitude is typical in quite a few of these little clubs, arrogant, spoiled and full of themselves.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:07 am
What BS you are spouting! I am not a member of Slyck, but reading this dumb ass lawyer’s posts on Slyck made me piss myself. There was not one bit of evidence apart from what he claimed. He then posted a newspaper link to an Aussie paper which rejected that it was his idea. He had even sent the email to the wrong people!
It kinda is like a person making a claim to inventing something that has been made, and it was the input of hundreds of people - and it does happen. Those sort of people are out there and they go to court only get kicked out for making frivolous claims. It seems that you simply have a grudge against Slyck - perhaps you were banned there for BS?
December 9th, 2005 at 11:40 pm
I haven’t been banned anywhere. I do read some of these types of forums and the mind set is there. Whether the guy is right or wrong, I don’t care. It’s the attitude of the Slyckers which turned this into more of a story than it is. This attitude pervades most forums and blogs. Someone visits and posts something and everyone attacks him with a vengence. The acid hurled around these forums is only because of the seemingly anonymity of the internet. If people were sitting around a table, more than half of the invective would be eliminated.