Comments on: Will France legalize file sharing? http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401 p2pnet.net - reader powered Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:11:09 -0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26954 Reader's Write Sun, 25 Dec 2005 17:25:44 +0000 #comment-26954 "Is this post supposed to be taken seriously?" As the writer of the post you are replying, I would really like to hear your opinion on the question of: There is no way that something that cost nothing can be rationed and be expensive. Perhaps you can enlighten us that do not understand your way of thinking or doing your job. Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “Is this post supposed to be taken seriously?”

As the writer of the post you are replying, I would really like to hear your opinion on the question of:

There is no way that something that cost nothing can be rationed and be expensive.

Perhaps you can enlighten us that do not understand your way of thinking or doing your job.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26936 Reader's Write Sun, 25 Dec 2005 00:45:35 +0000 #comment-26936 THNX 2 FRANCE I WILL DOWNLOAD AS MUCH AS I CAN.THX AGAIN THNX 2 FRANCE I WILL DOWNLOAD AS MUCH AS I CAN.THX AGAIN

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26935 Reader's Write Sun, 25 Dec 2005 00:44:24 +0000 #comment-26935 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26920 Reader's Write Sat, 24 Dec 2005 09:00:57 +0000 #comment-26920 "It all depends on how much lobbying the French govt will allow the cartels to use" What do you think about people from virginmega wearing ministry of culture badges offering worth $10 free-downloads cards to our representatives just before the vote ? That's what happened ! “It all depends on how much lobbying the French govt will allow the cartels to use”

What do you think about people from virginmega wearing ministry of culture badges offering worth $10 free-downloads cards to our representatives just before the vote ?

That’s what happened !

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26916 Reader's Write Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:24:16 +0000 #comment-26916 It all depends on how much lobbying the French govt will allow the cartels to use. Hopefully they'll be suitably outraged at being dictated too by foreign interests that they'll legalise it just to piss the cartels off. At the very least they should demand an immediate audit into all royalty payments to french artists by these companies. I'm sure that'd make the cartels back off real quick. It all depends on how much lobbying the French govt will allow the cartels to use. Hopefully they’ll be suitably outraged at being dictated too by foreign interests that they’ll legalise it just to piss the cartels off.

At the very least they should demand an immediate audit into all royalty payments to french artists by these companies. I’m sure that’d make the cartels back off real quick.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26908 Reader's Write Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:04:21 +0000 #comment-26908 What I love in all this, isn't whether it will pass or not. It's the idea that governments will either take notice or the people will will. Now the cartels were all for making this tax on blank media. The other part of the deal was ignored and the artists didn't get paid from the collections and haven't recieved one penny since they have been collecting these taxes since the days of the cassette. They got their tax and now pretty much every nation in some form or another has these taxes. I don't hear the cartels offering to either pay the artists (the supposed reason they were collected in the first place) nor do I hear them offering to remove the tax. In fact you are already paying for the ability to copy everytime you buy a blank. If you are buying that blank for backups of computer data, doesn't come into play. The cat is out of the bag, in that one nation has already considered this way to return citizen standing to its inhabitants. There will be more and the cartels have a new fire to put out and ride herd on. Suing your customers was never a long term answer and the cartels are aware of it as we are. Until forced to accept what they don't want, this mess will continue. Short of greed, there is no reason for this to be the way it is. Why they don't want this sort of tax is that it will be far harder to jack the prices when they have to go to the governments with hat in hand to discuss it. Not long ago it was in the articles that the cartels want to jack the price yet again on digital downloads. It doesn't make sense to raise the prices to anyone but the cartels. This sort of law isn't saying that they won't pay the cartels, it is saying that that a blanket fee would replace the payment on line for non profit uses and personal enjoyment. It is in my mind that the cartels need a bit of jacking down on their highhandness, just over the payolla deal. Because of the payolla that has extisted, even after it was ruled illegal, FM radio has become a vast waste land. There is no where to go to hear the new music, in an accepted public format. Used to be that radio was where you did that. Now it is p2p and p2p is nothing but free advertisement for the cartels. If anything, they should be paying us for listening. What I love in all this, isn’t whether it will pass or not. It’s the idea that governments will either take notice or the people will will. Now the cartels were all for making this tax on blank media. The other part of the deal was ignored and the artists didn’t get paid from the collections and haven’t recieved one penny since they have been collecting these taxes since the days of the cassette. They got their tax and now pretty much every nation in some form or another has these taxes. I don’t hear the cartels offering to either pay the artists (the supposed reason they were collected in the first place) nor do I hear them offering to remove the tax. In fact you are already paying for the ability to copy everytime you buy a blank. If you are buying that blank for backups of computer data, doesn’t come into play.

The cat is out of the bag, in that one nation has already considered this way to return citizen standing to its inhabitants. There will be more and the cartels have a new fire to put out and ride herd on. Suing your customers was never a long term answer and the cartels are aware of it as we are. Until forced to accept what they don’t want, this mess will continue. Short of greed, there is no reason for this to be the way it is. Why they don’t want this sort of tax is that it will be far harder to jack the prices when they have to go to the governments with hat in hand to discuss it.

Not long ago it was in the articles that the cartels want to jack the price yet again on digital downloads. It doesn’t make sense to raise the prices to anyone but the cartels. This sort of law isn’t saying that they won’t pay the cartels, it is saying that that a blanket fee would replace the payment on line for non profit uses and personal enjoyment. It is in my mind that the cartels need a bit of jacking down on their highhandness, just over the payolla deal. Because of the payolla that has extisted, even after it was ruled illegal, FM radio has become a vast waste land. There is no where to go to hear the new music, in an accepted public format. Used to be that radio was where you did that. Now it is p2p and p2p is nothing but free advertisement for the cartels. If anything, they should be paying us for listening.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26900 Reader's Write Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:10:25 +0000 #comment-26900 Is this post supposed to be taken seriously? Is this post supposed to be taken seriously?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26895 Reader's Write Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:09:39 +0000 #comment-26895 I totally agree with you, guys. Once the music is converted to digital format it should be posted on the net by musicians themselves and it should be free. This is 21 digital century so the technology works against them no matter if they like it or not. If they won't do it we will do it for them. P2P and BitTorrent are here to stay and as long as this stuff working I am not paying a red cent for music. I am not paying for their rent, food, cars, health insurance either. Let them get real jobs like we have. Who needs CDs anyway. In fact, 320kbs is overkill for portable players as it is. Same goes to software developers. I do not give a damn about their student loans, long hours of work in front of computer, their stupid carpal tunnel disease, lower back problems, impaired vision, radiation and other stuff they lie about. Software must be copied freely too!!!! Movies: that the topic we cannot miss. If Enya was working every f***king day for 5 years on her first CD those movie bastards make a movie in 3-5 months and they want to get millions for it. I say screw them. Prostitution is the same way I should say. I pay the girl, she let me do stuff and as soon as it's over I have nothing in my hands but bad memories (sometimes it's actually ok). So, no transaction of goods was made. I have nothing to make a copy from for my friends. It's like she sold it and she still have it. I am sure we all agree here that little whores are even worse than greedy musicians. At least I can listen a song over and over again, with prostitutes I got nothing. I say whores should be free and get paid by ads they stick on their asses and racks. I totally agree with you, guys. Once the music is converted to digital format it should be posted on the net by musicians themselves and it should be free. This is 21 digital century so the technology works against them no matter if they like it or not. If they won’t do it we will do it for them. P2P and BitTorrent are here to stay and as long as this stuff working I am not paying a red cent for music. I am not paying for their rent, food, cars, health insurance either. Let them get real jobs like we have. Who needs CDs anyway. In fact, 320kbs is overkill for portable players as it is. Same goes to software developers. I do not give a damn about their student loans, long hours of work in front of computer, their stupid carpal tunnel disease, lower back problems, impaired vision, radiation and other stuff they lie about. Software must be copied freely too!!!! Movies: that the topic we cannot miss. If Enya was working every f***king day for 5 years on her first CD those movie bastards make a movie in 3-5 months and they want to get millions for it. I say screw them. Prostitution is the same way I should say. I pay the girl, she let me do stuff and as soon as it’s over I have nothing in my hands but bad memories (sometimes it’s actually ok). So, no transaction of goods was made. I have nothing to make a copy from for my friends. It’s like she sold it and she still have it. I am sure we all agree here that little whores are even worse than greedy musicians. At least I can listen a song over and over again, with prostitutes I got nothing. I say whores should be free and get paid by ads they stick on their asses and racks.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26891 Reader's Write Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:57:40 +0000 #comment-26891 1. Movies will be supported by ads embedded within the movie scenes themselves. Advertisers will have to pay to be featured some how in a movie. 2. Movies and music will continue to be made, and those who do the creating willl be the ones to profit. They have to release free content to be recognized. Once recognized and the demand for their works is created, they will release more material when their set fund raising goals are met. In other words, they will release entertainment after enough people donate to their bank account. People will be able to freely copy and distribute any work produced simply because the people producing the work have already been paid for that segment. 3. SINCE DISTRIBUTION WILL BE OVER VARIOUS NETWORKS AND DONE ELECTRONICALLY, THE MIDDLEMEN WILL RECEIVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS PROFIT. Once an artists amkes his or her work known and it is accepted, demand for more work will grow. The artist will produce that work when paid. "Piracy" will be eliminated because what does not make it to viewers or listeners cannot be compied and redistributed. It will take at least one or two established, well known artists to advertise this type of business model before it catches on. But, it will catch on sooner or later because filesharing is here to stay, and it will continue to grow. We have won, and so will the artists when they adapt. 1. Movies will be supported by ads embedded within the movie scenes themselves. Advertisers will have to pay to be featured some how in a movie.

2. Movies and music will continue to be made, and those who do the creating willl be the ones to profit. They have to release free content to be recognized. Once recognized and the demand for their works is created, they will release more material when their set fund raising goals are met. In other words, they will release entertainment after enough people donate to their bank account. People will be able to freely copy and distribute any work produced simply because the people producing the work have already been paid for that segment.

3. SINCE DISTRIBUTION WILL BE OVER VARIOUS NETWORKS AND DONE ELECTRONICALLY, THE MIDDLEMEN WILL RECEIVE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS PROFIT.

Once an artists amkes his or her work known and it is accepted, demand for more work will grow. The artist will produce that work when paid. “Piracy” will be eliminated because what does not make it to viewers or listeners cannot be compied and redistributed. It will take at least one or two established, well known artists to advertise this type of business model before it catches on. But, it will catch on sooner or later because filesharing is here to stay, and it will continue to grow. We have won, and so will the artists when they adapt.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26889 Reader's Write Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:48:53 +0000 #comment-26889 Indeed we will probably not legalize file sharing. But the idea of the global license (+- the EFF license) is now out and widespread in the public and could become one of the main issue of the 2007 presidential and legislative run. There are 8.000.000 alleged filesharers in France (A country with 60.000.000) inhabitants. How many of them have a voting card ? Most ! 8.000.000, this means 12% of the whole population, and near 16% of the voting population. Definitely enough to make the poll go to one side or to the other. Filesharers in France (and elsewhere), remember that a voting card is a weapon to fight for our rights ! Indeed we will probably not legalize file sharing.

But the idea of the global license (+- the EFF license) is now out and widespread in the public and could become one of the main issue of the 2007 presidential and legislative run.

There are 8.000.000 alleged filesharers in France (A country with 60.000.000) inhabitants. How many of them have a voting card ? Most !

8.000.000, this means 12% of the whole population, and near 16% of the voting population. Definitely enough to make the poll go to one side or to the other.

Filesharers in France (and elsewhere), remember that a voting card is a weapon to fight for our rights !

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7401/comment-page-1#comment-26887 Reader's Write Fri, 23 Dec 2005 20:26:00 +0000 #comment-26887 "Sooner or later, We The People will get what's due to us." This is right. file copying for presonal use will have to be made legal because the people will demand it and take it legally or otherwise and by force if necessary. There is no way that something that cost nothing can be rationed and be expensive and hard to get, or forever lost, as are many records, movies, poems, stories, news, phtographs, etc. When people are told that it is more important to protect the profits of a few nationless corporations, there is absolutely no credibility. Next will come education. Sure a lot of teaches will loose their classroom jobs to work on something else, and a lot of book publishers will loose their fat book profits and will have to turn to courseware development or to Internet publishing. No one can stop this. Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “Sooner or later, We The People will get what’s due to us.”

This is right. file copying for presonal use will have to be made legal because the people will demand it and take it legally or otherwise and by force if necessary.

There is no way that something that cost nothing can be rationed and be expensive and hard to get, or forever lost, as are many records, movies, poems, stories, news, phtographs, etc. When people are told that it is more important to protect the profits of a few nationless corporations, there is absolutely no credibility.

Next will come education. Sure a lot of teaches will loose their classroom jobs to work on something else, and a lot of book publishers will loose their fat book profits and will have to turn to courseware development or to Internet publishing. No one can stop this.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

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