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Teens next RIAA victims

p2p news / p2pnet: “Teenagers might be the next targets of a federal lawsuit filed by record companies against a soccer mom who said she did not trade songs over the Internet,” says a story in the Journal News, the New York publication which carried the first in-depth story on the Patti Santangelo case.

“The revelation by an attorney for the record companies came during Patricia Santangelo’s first appearance as her own defense lawyer in the civil case in U.S. District Court in White Plains,” it goes on. “Five record companies filed suit in February against Santangelo, 42, a divorced mother of five from Wappingers Falls who works as a property manager for a real estate company.”

Santangelo yesterday attended an ‘In Person’ conference before judge Mark D. Fox. And, “looming over her children, Michelle, 19, Nicole, 17, Bobby, 15, Jack, 10, Ryan, 7, all of whom live at home, is the RIAA,” p2pnet wrote.

“Why are they threatened? They have a lot of friends, all of whom were in and out of the Santangelo house when the file sharing was said to have occurred. And any one of them could have installed the Kazaa p2p application the labels say was used to download their tunes onto the computer Patti’s children played with.

“Santangelo told us she herself doesn’t have a clue about Kazaa, how to use it or how it got to be in the computer in the first place.

“Now the chances are Organized Music will attempt to pillory one or all of the five in the same way that they’re currently trying to get at Candy Chan, another RIAA victim, through her schoolgirl daughter, Britanny.”

Santangelo, “racked up more than $20,000 in legal bills before deciding last month she could no longer afford a lawyer to defend her,” says the Journal News. “But she still refused to settle and, though she has no legal training, opted to defend herself.”

During a proior conference before Judge Maureen McMahon, who dismissed the earlier appeal, Ray Beckerman, the New York lawyer who, until recently, represented Santangelo, told p2pnet that Timothy Congrove of Shook Hardy Bacon appeared by telephone, and Jason Sanders of Cowan Liebowitz appeared in person.

Congrove was spokesman for the plaintiffs and, “During that part of the conference various procedural and substantive matters were discussed about the management and scheduling of the case, and about whether summary judgment would be appropriate, and whether and what kind of discovery would be needed,” said Beckerman.

Congrove, “indicated that even if he were given the information as to the identity of the child who Ms Santangelo guesses might have set up the Kazaa account, he still might not be willing to discontinue the case against Ms. Santangelo.

“He also indicated that even if the person who set up the account was a child, he might well bring a lawsuit against the child.”

Santangelo told p2pnet when she’d asked her children to try to remember friends who’d used their computer, they came up with a list of about 75 names.

“She has already talked to a 16-year-old friend of her daughter and the teen’s mother about the case,” says The Journal. “The teen’s Kazaa screen name is similar to the one the record companies said was used in the file-trading.”

‘Suing the teenagers’
Jenni Engebretsen, spokeswoman for the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America), owned by Sony BMG, Vivendi Universal, Warner Music and EMI, the members of Organized Music who are going after Santangelo, “defended the option of suing the teenagers,” says The Journal.

“U.S. Magistrate Mark Fox said the case could turn on whether record companies can hold liable an ‘Internet illiterate’ parent who ‘does not know Kazaa from a kazoo’,” says the Associated Press.

Yesterday AP asked p2pnet, “What’s your general impression of this case? Why is it important?”

We responded, “It’ll be the first time the members of Organized Music, Sony BMG, Vivendi Universal, Warner Music and EMI, will be held publicly accountable. They’ve needlessly victimized more than 17,000 men, women and children and the impression created is all these people have been successfully prosecuted for some as-yet undefined ‘crime’. And yet not one of them has so far appeared before in a court or before a judge. Patti will be the first, and she’s doing it alone. She’s a courageous woman to be taking on the multi-billion-dollar music industry without legal, or any other, come to that, representation.”

Aside from this case, “what’s the feeling of the p2p people about the RIAA’s thousands of lawsuits and about the RIAA’s tactics?” – asked AP.

We said we didn’t think one could confine this merely to “p2p people”. Rather, “it applies to everyone who’s ever bought a record or CD from the major labels,” p2pnet said. “And the feeling is: they’ve been ripping people off for decades, and getting away with it. But now, thanks to the Net and to p2p, we can make our feelings known in virtual international protests the music industry can’t ignore. As to their tactics, they’re wasted. File sharing is going up, not down, their claims to the contrary notwithstanding. They’ve painted themselves into a corner and now they can’t get out without losing face. But sooner or later they’ll have to admit they completely misread the entire p2p situation. When they do, they can get back to their business of producing music and selling it. But until they do, they’ll continue generating tremendous ill-will and haemorrhaging customers.”

What were our feelings about the right to exchange and download copyrighted music?

“It’s acceptable as long as it’s not for commercial purposes,” we said, adding that although we supported the labels in their attempts to deal with counterfeiting by crooks who intend to re-sell the results, “we’re now in the digital 21st century and if Organized Music would remember that and use p2p as a distribution and sales vehicle instead of seeing it as an enemy, they’d be a lot further ahead.”

We also suggested that if the Big Four would start treating their customers as reasonable people who’d will willingly pay a reasonable price for downloads – say 25 to 35 cents each – instead of potential criminals, “they and their shareholders would be making money instead of throwing it away on fruitless lawsuits.”

Meanwhile, Santangelo told p2pnet recently, “It’s terrible, really, having to think of this just before Christmas. It’s exhausting to have to be thinking and worry about this at any time of the year, but just before Christmas?”

But, “This isn’t just for me. It’s for all those other people as well.”

Finally, we’re close to completing the special Fight Goliath fund raising site for which MUTE author Jason Rohrer is writing a program to allow people to contribute to directly to help Patti Santangelo be able to stand up to RIAA heavy guns Shook Hardy Bacon.

Also See:
Journal NewsWoman sued by record industry defends herself in court, December 23, 2005
p2pnet wroteRIAA ready to attack more kids, December 20, 2005
Associated PressMom Defends Herself In Music Downloading Lawsuit, December 23, 2005

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8 Responses to “Teens next RIAA victims”

  1. Reader's Write Says:

    Since mrs. Santangelo can’t afford a lawyer and she is representing herself – did she at least request (or even got) some advide from EFF?
    I know I wouldn’t want to go against those mobsters lawyers uneducated…

  2. Reader's Write Says:

    I wouldn’t ask the EFF for help. From what this Register article has to say it’d probly be a bad idea.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/06/eff_needs_to_die/

  3. Reader's Write Says:

    fuck you all the riaa should be paying that poor woman 1million dollars you have no proof that she did it and even theo file sharing it 100 percent legal basterds you just look for people to seu and make fake therates and illegal claims and tell the microstoft police to shouve it up there ass if they try something like that again you no what no one has to pay for a song for 99 cent you can get it for free just to listenif you want to help the copyright law make it so the music cant be draged out of a folder and on to a cd unless you buy that song and have proof that you paid for it you all are so stipid not to think of that im doing you a favor to make p2p networking safe with kazaa the folder that postes the music why not keep it on the site with the other things and if you have to download a liscence on a p2pnetowrking site the liscence says that this file can be cup on cd unlimited times and mp3 ed a lot thats legal because it was uploaded in to the site with kazaa they give you a folder only to keep you music from the net in it and no pot other music that you rip from cd,s to upload get ride of the shared folders and make it so it cant be pulled out of it folder you all were so damm stupid that you never thought of that ansited of seuwing other people you never tool the time to think about it

  4. Reader's Write Says:

    The process is running backwards and the judge is wrong in allowing it.

    Santangel does not have to prove she is innocent. It is the other way, the suing party has to prove she is guilty.

    The suing party has to prove that she and not others or her computer downloaded songs.

    Regardless of who downloaded songs, if it was done, if it is not proven she did it then she wins.

    Santangelo does not have to help any record company in finding out who downloaded their songs.

    Anyway, because p2p systems have no filters (and cannot have them) no one should be guilty of downloading infringement. If the lawamakers do not want downloading infringement, then copyright filter are required on p2p systems, even if they are impossible to develop.

    Rafael Venegas
    http://www.gvenegas.com

  5. Reader's Write Says:

    “The process is running backwards and the judge is wrong in allowing it.”

    All that is said on my previous post would be explained to the jury, with instructions to ignore all that was said in testimony. That is what the judge should do out of decency.

    Also, an apoplogy should be given to the jury by the judge for allowing their exposure to non relevant arguments that can only cloud the issues.

    Santangelo should request an apology from the judge.

    If judge Mark D. Fox refuses, then we know the likely results. This is his chance to look good in the forever Internet history, surely on Wikipedia. It is up to him.

    Rafael Venegas
    http://www.gvenegas.com

  6. Reader's Write Says:

    I don’t think Ms Santengelo is proceeding correctly. She should not even admit to having had Kazaa on her computer. Let them try to prove it.

    The law says that the plaintiff must allege specific infringements. So they need to show who the files were transferred to, and when. I.e. a screenshot of Kazaa isn’t going to be good enough to prove anything. (Assuming the judge is not incompetent or corrupt. A big assumption I know.)

    Emil

  7. Reader's Write Says:

    poor santangelo. i think she’s going to lose. even if she can prove that she’s computer-illiterate or knows nothing about kazaa or who was responsible for illegal downloading from her computer, she is responsible for the actions of her under-aged children including the activity of visitors within her property. if i recall correctly…you don’t get a break by being ignorant of the law. most likely, they have proof that her property was used to download files from matching the IP address location of the music files to her ISP activity logs (if any). and even if they try to delete all the files from her computer before going to court…they’re probably also computer-illiterate to realize that files really arent completely deleted in her hard drive. kinda like kids using mamma’s house as a place for drug activity while parents have no clue – mama’s still responsible.

    riaa look for peeps to sue cuz they’re losing revenue from peepz who download music for free. if u were on the otherside of this case, you’ld be looking 2 sue someone too. and if u think peepz just want to listen to music from the internet without downloading it to their computer…forget it. they dont just want to listen to it..they want to keep it. keep it and put it into their portable music or mp3 players wherever they go duh.

    sad 2 say some teens think they’re smart even though they know it’s wrong. just feels cool to get things free and no one’s stoppping them so why not? looks like mama needs to review her teaching of morals again or some serious spanking. she can’t always be on the lookout for the activities going on in her property but she can try 2 entrust and pass on those responsibilities 2 her kids

  8. Reader's Write Says:

    Hmmm…let’s see. The RIAA, MPAA, and numerous other Entities can “Enter” my computer and browse for files they don’t like, and then sue me…that’s sort of like breaking and entering into my house, and suing me for a counterfiet product. Has anyone considered Counter-Suing the Industry using the DCMA or other Law, claiming that the RIAA/MPAA illegaly hacked into their computers to find this info? how about sueing them for the pervasive Rootkit/DRM software infecting computers worldwide? if I “browsed” their computer systems for files i didnt like, I’d get 10 yrs in jail and/or a 10,000 dollar fine for “COMPUTER HACKING”. why is it ok for big business to get away with it, but not me? someone clever enough with sufficient tech and law knowlege could set a rather lucrative judicial “snare” for the RIAA/MPAA in this manner…muahahahahahahhah!!!!

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