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	<title>Comments on: The DoJ and the Patriot Act</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7430/comment-page-1#comment-27436</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 13:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this patriot act (gotta love the name huh? Classic Bulls...errr PRspeak there) is meant to allow the various criminal and &quot;intelligence&quot; services (i&#039;m being ironic) to catch terrorists?

Like it helped them catch Osama...oh yeah, they haven&#039;t done that  yet have they... ummm.. ok, like it helped them catch saddam... oh hang, that was an anonymous tipoff, probly in exchange for a bucketload of money on the sly... Hmmmm.

So tell me mr DoJ, exactly HOW is it &quot;helping&quot; catch terrorists? Cause i don&#039;t see much evidence to support your claims so far. In fact i&#039;d say your only reasons for wanting it to go on are no more than a few guys in the DoJ would have to be made redundant and someones departmental budget would be reduced if the act was scrapped.

In other words you&#039;re just looking out for number one, and to hell with how much it costs the country or how much it screws the public over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this patriot act (gotta love the name huh? Classic Bulls&#8230;errr PRspeak there) is meant to allow the various criminal and &#8220;intelligence&#8221; services (i&#8217;m being ironic) to catch terrorists?</p>
<p>Like it helped them catch Osama&#8230;oh yeah, they haven&#8217;t done that  yet have they&#8230; ummm.. ok, like it helped them catch saddam&#8230; oh hang, that was an anonymous tipoff, probly in exchange for a bucketload of money on the sly&#8230; Hmmmm.</p>
<p>So tell me mr DoJ, exactly HOW is it &#8220;helping&#8221; catch terrorists? Cause i don&#8217;t see much evidence to support your claims so far. In fact i&#8217;d say your only reasons for wanting it to go on are no more than a few guys in the DoJ would have to be made redundant and someones departmental budget would be reduced if the act was scrapped.</p>
<p>In other words you&#8217;re just looking out for number one, and to hell with how much it costs the country or how much it screws the public over.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7430/comment-page-1#comment-27344</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 03:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe if Bush intercepts the e-mail and the telephone call of his public sevants, maybe the Katrina debacle could have been avoided. So coul the war on Iraq. Katrina cost at least 10 times the damage done on 9/11, and Iraq has already cost as musch as Katrina, all because o bunch of turf fighting incopetenets  (FEMA and the so called intelligence agencies) knew nothing about how to protect the Americans. 20 times.

Is there a plan to intercepts the e-mail and the telephone call of the public servants? In other words, look inward, not outward.

Logic says it it 20 times more important to look inward than being on the lookout for outward, potential terrorists.

20 times.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if Bush intercepts the e-mail and the telephone call of his public sevants, maybe the Katrina debacle could have been avoided. So coul the war on Iraq. Katrina cost at least 10 times the damage done on 9/11, and Iraq has already cost as musch as Katrina, all because o bunch of turf fighting incopetenets  (FEMA and the so called intelligence agencies) knew nothing about how to protect the Americans. 20 times.</p>
<p>Is there a plan to intercepts the e-mail and the telephone call of the public servants? In other words, look inward, not outward.</p>
<p>Logic says it it 20 times more important to look inward than being on the lookout for outward, potential terrorists.</p>
<p>20 times.</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7430/comment-page-1#comment-27331</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 02:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of spying on your own people in the name of terrorism needs to end. Why? Where&#039;s the list of nabbed terrorists that have been prevented from doing what they intended to do? No where to be found. 

Where are the results that justify this sort of spying? Wrapping it up in a name that everyone ought to be for like &quot;mom and apple pie&quot; doesn&#039;t make it any more appealing. This is not a matter of &quot;the ends justify the means&quot; without being able to show that the means resulted in the detainment of bona fide terrorist and not someone trumpt up to take the rap so it appears to be. 

If all this is so critcal then there must be results besides data mining. All this crap of not being able to obtain info is just so much smoke and mirrors. The government was getting around that unability of gathering data on their citizen long before this by hiring third parties to get the data for them and just hand it over. 

This distortion of what&#039;s needed, needs to end, unless they can show that there are results. All I see is that they have managed to raise the cost in both time and money of paying customers to support these questionable services. What I don&#039;t see, nor does Joe Public, is where it is actually paying off. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of spying on your own people in the name of terrorism needs to end. Why? Where&#8217;s the list of nabbed terrorists that have been prevented from doing what they intended to do? No where to be found. </p>
<p>Where are the results that justify this sort of spying? Wrapping it up in a name that everyone ought to be for like &#8220;mom and apple pie&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make it any more appealing. This is not a matter of &#8220;the ends justify the means&#8221; without being able to show that the means resulted in the detainment of bona fide terrorist and not someone trumpt up to take the rap so it appears to be. </p>
<p>If all this is so critcal then there must be results besides data mining. All this crap of not being able to obtain info is just so much smoke and mirrors. The government was getting around that unability of gathering data on their citizen long before this by hiring third parties to get the data for them and just hand it over. </p>
<p>This distortion of what&#8217;s needed, needs to end, unless they can show that there are results. All I see is that they have managed to raise the cost in both time and money of paying customers to support these questionable services. What I don&#8217;t see, nor does Joe Public, is where it is actually paying off.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7430/comment-page-1#comment-27294</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a typing error.

I meant to say, deal, NOT deral,  Also I should note, a deal to keep it going and if not, it would expire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a typing error.</p>
<p>I meant to say, deal, NOT deral,  Also I should note, a deal to keep it going and if not, it would expire.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7430/comment-page-1#comment-27291</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COrrect me if I am wrong, but I thought the Patriot ACt was just extended for one month which would mean a deral would have to be worked out by or before January 31, 2006?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COrrect me if I am wrong, but I thought the Patriot ACt was just extended for one month which would mean a deral would have to be worked out by or before January 31, 2006?</p>
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