The new Net scourge
p2p news special / p2pnet: Regular p2pnet readers know of my distrust and distaste of the MPAA and RIAA and their bullying tactics, their court-proven lies and deceptions and convictions of monetary theft from performers, directors, and producers, as well as their notorious lamescream lies regarding the decline in filesharing due to their successful lawsuits against innocent people and corpses.
They contract and hire spies from different industries – and sometimes even whole municipalities (perhaps YOUR OWN TOWN) – to scan filesharing networks, collecting IP addresses with which to blackmail ISPs into giving up names and addresses in order to threaten these innocent people with costly lawsuits.
It makes us all sick.
But there are also other groups out there who track what you do, when you do it and how often. And many p2pers let them, and some even pay these groups to do it. WTF? Who are these groups?
They aren`t release groups. They aren`t in the scene. They`re the admins and owners of elitist BitTorrent tracker websites.
They`re the new Lokis, and they`re getting away with a big scam because people aren`t refusing to use these trackers, and too many are too willing to pay for so-called VIP treatment.
This has to stop.
Today I downloaded a film released by a group in the scene. Two text files were attached. I assume they were written by the original release group.
Here’s what they say:
Text 1:
BEWARE_of_PISEXY.ORG.Scammers
Not too cool to make a living off of people’s sharing of movies such as www.pisexy.org does.
Not too cool to charge a reoccuring monthly fee.
Not too cool at all.
They only chrge $7.95 out of your paypal account monthly and it’s automatic so you get screwed even if you die they will still continue to make money from you. How nice!
Known fact…Pisexy cleared $10,000USD in just one month according to Pimpie (the owner).
MPAA, PLEASE SHUT DOWN THESE SITES!
And
Text 2:
BEWARE_of_BITSOUP.ORG.Scammers
Another site to add to the shitlist of selling gigs.
www.bitsoup.org
Pay $25 and get: 200gb upload credit
Pay $35 and get: 300gb upload credit
Now to top it off they are offering High-Speed FTP access for $25 (50gb download)
Selling scene access is a HUGE HUGE mistake.
Whatever happened to sharing for free? After all, free is what it’s all about!
MPAA, Would you kindly shut these sites down. Thanks!
Last year the filesharing world was up in arms about the LokiTorrent scam. No one knows what really happened except that Ed Webber (Loki) received more than US$40,000.00 in donations and was never heard from again after being shut down by the MPAA.
Besides the money, he took with him every piece of info from his logs, including IP addresses, and probably gave them to the MPAA and RIAA.
How soon they forget.
After Loki disappeared, filesharers scrambled to find good, reliable, open trackers to use. And they did find them. But soon, many new Elite groups (with elitist attitudes to match), offering VIP memberships, started to crop up. This past year has seen a big wave of these groups appearing. They track your ratio, log your IP address, and if you`re stupid enough to give them money, they have your real name, home address and, possibly, your credit card details.
Filesharers are a very trusting lot, this is true. P2p wouldn`t, and couldn’t, exist without communal trust. But no one knows who these admins and owners really are, unless and until they get shut down. And then it`s too late because they now have information that was willingly given to them and we`ll never know who else has that information until strange purchases appear on a credit card bill, or a subpoena from the MPAA or RIAA arrives.
As one of the text files above states, Whatever happened to sharing for free? After all, free is what it’s all about!
Filesharing is free and must remain free. Trackers must remain open to all. Boycott groups that track your ratio and usage, beg for money, and require membership! Use only public, open trackers that don’t monitor your usage or ban you for low ratios; that don`t beg for money; that don`t require membership or an invitation.
That’s the only way to get rid of this scourge this cancer that’s been allowed to fester and corrupt the honest, trusting filesharing community.
You can find just about anything on public trackers as you would on closed-minded elitist trackers – and more!
My own list of boycotted sites, which I recommend people to also boycott, include:
- Araditracker
- Wild-bytes
- Evolution (evolutiontt.org)
- Filelist
- BitMe TV
- Supertorrents
- Centurion Underground (visionplateau.com)
Don`t give them money! Don`t become a member it only encourages them! Boycott these, and all the other, trackers and web sites which do the same!
Keep filesharing free and open to everyone! Anyone who wants to run a tracker knows that it costs money. If they aren`t willing to pay for it themselves, they have no business and no right running a tracker.
catflap – p2pnet
December 29th, 2005 at 2:36 pm
This is an interesting subject that I welcome info on. I read a lengthy discussion of it elsewhere and came to the conclusion – not written in stone – that private sites don’t have to be bad even if some are shady.
This article, which I appreciate, makes me more wary of private sites, for which reason I’m thinking of deleting my link to BitTV (if it’s the same site), but I’m still following the story. The fact is, I’ve not be asked to give money in order to get stuff from BitTV, although perhaps a vip ticket is for sale there and I didn’t notice. I only noticed a ‘donate’ button, which I have no problem with. – I have a problem with being a poor wage slave, however.
Also, I’d be happy to register here, but I’m leery of seeing my password (’ID’ here) appear when I start to fill out the field. Therefore, I didn’t register.
I am Arby (not my real name).
December 29th, 2005 at 2:48 pm
Hi Arby:
No worries about you registering on p2pnet. As you’ve already noticed, it doesn’t stop you from posting : )
Meanwhile, as we say in the registration form, “The information you provide is for us, and no one else. That’s a promise and a carved-in-rock guarantee.”
Cheers!
December 29th, 2005 at 2:57 pm
i’m a member of various private bittorrent sites to which i have donated. these trackers continue to forge ahead while public trackers attempt to duplicate suprnova. private and communal torrent sites are the only ones to use. the glory days are not yet over, you simply need an invite.
December 29th, 2005 at 6:23 pm
There will be grammar mistakes I`m sorry. Anyway to the subject.
Very interesting article. So the “Private tracker problem” does beg people. Why? Are these sites really killing the scene and the concept of sharing for free itself. I don`t think so. They are nothing more that just another tracker out there. The only difference being that You cannot acces it so easyly. They make you pay you say? No they are not. They just encourage you to do it. The choice is still up to You, isn`t it? And as long as you can keep the ratio NO money needed and no ban for you. Anyway don`t like it- don`t buy it. That`s how I see the whole thing.
Few words as a member of bitmeTV.
There are many fee free trackers out there. They existed years ago and probably will still remain in distant future. But let me ask you, how many of them managed to stay alive for say 2 years? (They all are targeted by RIAA so there`s no surprise.)
There`s still no problem to get a fresh release from torrent but how about the old ones? The common way used to be eDonkey network but now? Look for the old torrents? OK but the trackers are either down or 0 seeders connected. This is where these “bad” private trackers comes to a play.
They simly use the common concept to keep people seeding and even post new torrents. Such concept prove to be usefull with say sites that host artwork (wallpapers/covers…) It is simple- submit your own work and get the accses. It works!
I can find some old movies and series that are not on the “free” trackers or HR.HDTV rips or even 720p instead common hdtv ones.
Why should I boycott these sites? They are just another way to get what you want. I`d rather have this alternative just in case
December 29th, 2005 at 7:57 pm
Thank God for CatFlap. I was starting to think that I was the only person with this issue on his mind. I’m from the old-skool and where I come from you NEVER charge. I don’t mind sites providing the facility to donate but as soon as you give someone benefits in exchange for money on a torrent site, its a commercial operation.
You need an invite to get in – I really like this part. If the site was actually private, I could see the point of the invite system but these sites are known by everyone – they’re not private they’re simply ‘limited’. Limit supply enough and you can make anything desirable – take a look on any P2P forum and you’ll see people literally begging for invites in the same way that they’ll beg you to sell them an Xbox360 for $1000.
People should be aware that these sites punish you for being a leech (just about the worst thing you can be in a torrent community) then in exchange for a monetary bribe, they turn a blind eye – and in effect sell you other user’s upload bandwidth.
And the privacy issues are horrific – talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Like I said on Slyck.com – these sites will be shut down and their bleeding skulls held high for everyone to see and the news headlines in the mainstream media will imply that all BitTorrent sites are like this. I’m furious. Thanks again CatFlap
I’ve posted your article and we will be discussing it here:
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17774
Scratch
December 29th, 2005 at 8:05 pm
This pay to download is rather old hat news. As far as I know those sites aren’t demanding money as a condition of entry. I’ve heard that many of these sites ask for donations for the purpose of either maintaining server costs or if you wish VIP status. In addition along the same lines, I have also heard that some are, shall we say more insistant than others in asking for those donations.
At another forum, I’ve read that there are a few that offer pay to download, meaning that giving back isn’t part of the equation for those select few that are willing to part with money for a set amount of gigs. I can see both sides on this one. There is a tendancy on the part of ISPs to limit ones upload bandwidth. While they can recieve, their feedback is terrible and it will take far longer to give back what they might have gotten. For those with no choice in who supplies their internet connections this might be the answer to staying in good graces. It most likely would not work for any sort of other site. Those receiving from a college, uni, or work connection, they won’t have access to the router to become connectable and not all are capable of figuring out how to get around that. Some probably can’t be gotten around. For all those, I could see where this might be a workable solution.
For average Joe, I don’t see this working. One should consider also that those that accept money for a site will also be a stronger target for the cartels. It has always been #1`target when they can prove a site is making money off a service to infringe. Such was the Kaaza case. It pretty much makes the lock down to the case.
What I would caution on is the site that demands money as the entry fee or as a continued use fee. So far I haven’t heard any that are actually doing this but surely someone will try it. Unless their services are of such caliber to warrent this payment as being above and beyond all others and the user sees benefit to such a service, then you can almost always say it is a scam.
December 29th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
I use both Pisexy and Filelist for FREE.
Shocker, I have never paid these people any money. Now you are telling me that they charge to use their site?
They do not charge money and anyone who says they do is a liar.
In the last year both Filelist and Pisexy have been great sites for me.
I no longer receive letters from the MPAA because I use great sites like Pisexy and Filelist.
Asking for donations is NOTHING to be ashamed of. People supporting private trackers where they feel safe and know what type of files they are downloading is NOT wrong.
Anyone who says otherwise is full of $hit.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:00 pm
thanks for the comments already.
to be sure, i never said that any of the sites in the article – or any at all – demand or charge a fee for entry and usage. i, too, do not know of any sites that do this.
according to one of the texts i received, bitsoup is charging for ftp access. i don’t know if this is true or not. i’m only reporting what the text says…and i don’t know who write the texts.
what i’m discussing are the sites which offer so-called VIP membership – with/without extra gigs, require registration or invitation, banning low ratios, etc, as i explained above.
besides being elitist in manner and attitude, besides logging and keeping IP addresses (and financial/personal info when they receive a “donation”), besides selling gigabytes and VIP membership…besides all that, these types of sites attract a lot more attention from the **AA’s, which ends up as headlines in the lamescream press. it gives filesharers and free p2p a very bad reputation. and like as probably happened with Loki, all logged Ip addresses, registrations, usage (torrent file downloads and ratios) willl probbaly end up in the hands of the MPAA and RIAA.
the only people making money are those sites which charge for VIP and extra benefits. the average p2per does not make any money by sharing anything.
to those who have expressed an opposite opinion than mine, and who feel these elitist sites and their benefits are a good thing…well, i respect your opinion and if you want to give them money, that’s your choice. don’t blame me when they get shut down and your get a subpeona or letter from your ISP. you’ll know where that info came from.
but i’m offering a different, better choice: keep p2p free and open to all. stop tracking and banning low ratios. stop charging for VIP treatment. if you want to run a tracker, pay for it yourself. you chose to open one, so it’s your responsibility.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:07 pm
like i said, i don’t know who wrote it.
but i agree with what it says, so that’s why i wrote my article.
besides, it’s been on my mind for a while and this was the impetus to get me writing on it. hopefully a lot more people will have got those texts or read my piece. people need to wake up and boycott the scammers.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:17 pm
Whilst I agree with the principle that private sites are good.
PISexy is known for ripping off the users! The admin actually bragged in the forum to making over 10,000 USD per month. When I site starts banning the users that can seed back to 1:1 in preference for users that can’t seed and actually sell VIP status then they are scam sites.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
Well, sharing was and still free. Some of what said in that article may be true, about donating and so… and don’t forget that they have advertisements, which may be enough to pay the “server bills”!. But, you’ve missed somethings, what does sharing means?! take and give, no? Public trackers doesn’t ‘force’ you to seed what you download, and if you don’t, your not sharing. No seeders means no speed, no long living for torrents… As for users ratio, it obliges you to share, and leave VIPs and donations, all this for free. With private trakcers, you download approximately with your max d/s, and the ‘elite ones’ have uploaders who’re members of scene releasing groups, which means, you’ll get the new scene releases very quick and fast, and, they offer technical support, or any other help, like mIRC channels, and it’s all volunteering and for free. This how sharing being a real sharing, imho at least.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
thanks for posting my article here.
i equate asking for a “donation” with begging. and selling gigabytes is profit for these sites. most – if not all – do not openly post their total costs, although they do like to show how much money they get, or post an amount for what they need. who knows where those numbers come from? out of a hat? who really knows what they’re doing with the money and what their costs really are? only they do.
selling so-called VIP memberships is elitist and goes against the very core of free p2p in the open, communal filesharing community. some sites even stream films to you if you buy a VIP membership.
it also attracts a lot more attention.
anyone who wants to run a tracker knows beforehand that it costs money. it’s their responsibility to pay for it and maintain it. if they can’t, then they shouldn’t open a tracker.
it must stop. and the only way for that to happen is to boycott them.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
ive been tryin to get the word out about this at slyck for about a month or so now. uve prob seen some of the articles that ive been heating up over there ;D (who_me)
anyways.. looks like times r changing… even if these sites dont disappear this coverage will force them to tone down there money grubbing ways.
check this site out: http://www.torrentleech.org/index.php
quote;
# 2005-09-29 – SITE REGISTRATION CLOSED – VIP ONLY: At the present time, TORRENTLEECH has reached its user cap. TL is now closed to regular registration; and no further invites are available or usable at present. A limited number of VIP registrations remain available. Contact an operator in our channel #torrentleech at irc.torrentleech.org:7011 for details.
translates to: we dont want users that dont pay so if ya can pay well let ya in… this bs is getting out of control.. hopefully they and all there like get shut down thrown in prison and get assraped by 1000 inmates simultaneously
December 29th, 2005 at 9:39 pm
They never ask ppl for money, no one is asked to become VIP member.
Registering on PiSexy is free but limited. There are times they have open signups.
The whole idea on PiSexy is to SHARE, seed back what you take.
Users with a low ratio (below 1:1) are asked to seed back what they take (isn’t that the sharing principle?) or get kicked.
Some people however want far more then what they can seed back (some ppl have upload capacity of 256kbps maybe less), since PiSexy kills bad leechers accounts, the VIP option is to leech whatever you want without being kicked! You are still urged to seed tho
The text files are not added by the scene, they are added by some jealous ppl prolly ppl from other torrent sites with some connections who can not stand the quality and prospect of the site.
95% of the users is NOT VIP member…
December 29th, 2005 at 9:45 pm
Im a member of Pisexy which your reporter 4got to mention in his I dont like list – which shows the same intellectual rigour as the rest of his article – wild byes which he did mention – also hate pisexy – cos they are mostly former mods uploaders an members who fell out with pisexy. U do not have to pay to become a member of pisexy – if u want a lot more than u can share u have a choice – pay pimpie or leave – I ration myself and dont think the world owes me a result on any an every file i care to d/l or u/l. Overall Im a happy camper there. For a start we get very few excitable 11 yr olds like your reporter – which i think u must admit needs attention – and why blacken so many peoples names for a very short term result – u dont even sell papers
December 29th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
lol, look out catflap here comes the attack of the killer fanboyz sheep.
fanboy: do u know ur bandwidth is being sold to those with vip slots allowing them to hit and run with no regard for sharing or ratios while u struggle to maintain urs or get banned and the admin get rich/profit off ur connection? doesnt look it to me…
December 29th, 2005 at 9:54 pm
pisexy is not in my list for two reasons:
1. i’ve never been there.
2. it’s already in the article – the text file which i did not write.
PS: i’m much older than 11…probably much older than you.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:56 pm
attack of the killer fanboiz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
lol
fanboy, u dont seem very aware about the fact that ur bandwidth is being sold while u struggle to maintain ur ratio or get banned to those that take the vip option and the admin get rich/profit offa ur stupidity.
WAKE UP
December 29th, 2005 at 9:57 pm
in case anyone was wondering, i don’t have a big problem with demonoid because although they do require registration, track ratios, ask for donations…they do allow torrent files from other trackers, so no one is forced to use only demonoid trackers which will track your ratios.
just to be clear…donating to open sites like pbay and others is NOT something i have a big problem with. it’s the closed, or so-called “private” trackers which offer VIP treatment, ratio tracking, etc. that’s i’m against.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Maybe Bram Cohen should modify the license under which he allows others to use his bit-torrent technology to prevent web sites admins from exploiting it for capitalistic gain.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:18 pm
Dude, that’s the most retarded article I have ever read. Private sites are a hundred times better than public trackers, because the odds are alot more likely that your ip adress will get captured on a public tracker as you seed new Brittany Spears. All you have to do at private sites is DON’T DONATE, JUST DO UR BIT WHEN IT COMES TO RATIO. Honest to God, “Yeah let’s all hop on torrentspy and get raped by RIAA”.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:24 pm
these elitist sites log and keep your ip address. that’s how they’re able to track your usage. that’s how they’re able to ban you. duh.
and that info will be given to the cartels when they’re shut down. it doesn’t matter if you donate or not. they’ll have your ip address and there’s nothing you can do about it.
PS: don’t call me “dude”.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:26 pm
most open, public trackers dunp their logs at least once a day. the elitist groups do not ever dump them.
so don’t blame me when you have to go to court.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:35 pm
I am with a few of the sites you post on there as should not use etc. I know owners of a few of them. I pay for servers for them so that they can continue to operate… SHARE CAUSE YOU CARE YOU ARAB FUCK…. You are the reason so many israelis get banned so often…. If you have money don’t be israeli about it, put it forward to good use. Sure 40k is a bit much as there is no way it costs that much, or does it… A good 100MBit server runs you 150-160 a month and thats with 1TB bandwidth…. Well mine runs about 800GB in 2 days, so in thee end that is roughly 24TB I am smart and buy before overages hit, but some sites may not do that and therefore 40k would definetly be useful. Go Some where with you free sharing bullshit. Everyone can afford a 20 dollar donation a month with how much they save on the pirated software and music they get.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:40 pm
I appreciate Your point of view. But it looks way too idealistic to me.
I take “i equate asking for a “donation” with begging” being your very issue with this subject. So they do get the money… and what? Their torrents still works without any paymet from me (someone post the same thing below). Why should I be angry? Because I am jealous of their profits?
“selling so-called VIP memberships”- As far as I can remember at bitmetv it only gives your avatar a “cool” golden star. I don`t see any way in what it can cause damage to the scene.
One thing you 100% right about is the fact that “it also attracts a lot more attention”. So true… But we also saw “free” trackers closed while these “private” trackers remain intact.
One more thing. You claim that “private” trackers can share IP logs and other data with **AAs,right? Can you guarantee that owners of the “free” trackers (especially ones that works couple months and dies) don`t do the same?
Please remember. These private sites are only trackers that offer some cool downloads that are hardly found on any other trackers. No more
December 29th, 2005 at 10:43 pm
I don’t see the difference between a public tracker admin asking for donations and a private tracker admin asking for donations. Arguing that tracker admins should either pay for the server costs themselves or not run a tracker at all is ridiculous.
The Pirate Bay runs a great public tracker but it costs them a lot of money so they ask for donations. There’s nothing wrong with that. Similarily, many private tracker admins ask for donations because they can’t afford the monthly server costs.
I’m all for the free exchange of information but I also think registration based trackers are great. While it’s true that a few people are running private trackers for the purpose of making money, these people are in the minority. Most of these private trackers don’t make much money.
Personally, I think some file sharers are becoming ingrates. Instead of being thankful to the people who share files on private trackers, they exaggerate the amount of donations being received by the tracker admin and imply most of these private trackers are selling accounts. This is a load of crap.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:43 pm
I represent SuperTorrents.org and would like to say that while you do have a valid point, you lack understanding.
Firstly, donations are not required nor do they give any user special treatment or VIP status..
When ST was started, we did not accept donations. I was determined to keep money and filesharing as seperate as I could. With an increasing userbase, constant DDoS attacks, and not enough bandwidth to go around, we are forced to continuously upgrade our servers and services, which cost money. More money comes out of my own pocket than is covered by donations, which isn’t necessarily true of other sites, but that’s perfectly acceptable. Any money that is recieved is spent to further development of a tracker, and will continue to be done as such.
BitTorrent was not originally developed to support public tracking of files. The implementation of distributed hash tables has caused more problems than it has fixed. BitTorrent was developed to allow filesharing privately among a small group of people.
If people were content with using public trackers, there wouldn’t be so many private sites in existence. Keeping uploads private allows a site to ensure quality and speed, which is why they are so popular. Tracking users stats is an incentive for them to share, which a public tracker doesn’t have. Who wants to use their bandwidth when they have nothing to gain from it?
SuperTorrents and other large private trackers cannot afford to operate without donations from its members, it’s that simple. You expect site owners to risk getting arrested as well lowering their quality of life lives by sacrificing most of their paychecks on their websites? Sorry but I’d rather make a car payment. On top of this, just about every ring on the internet allows access for money, even if it’s not explicitly stated ($$ for gigabytes). Slave owners pay for their servers, and they are allowed access, this is how the scene operates in this day and age, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
-Ersan (SysOp and Founder of SuperTorrents.org)
December 29th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
hi!
i usually don’t post much on my own articles, but this is a hot topic here…and spreading.
you asked me:
“Can you guarantee that owners of the “free” trackers (especially ones that works couple months and dies) don`t do the same?”
*****
i guarantee nothing. but i know – because i have asked open tracker admins and owners (i know…it’s not proof of anything) —— most open, public trackers dump their logs at least once a day. these are people i trust to do the right thing because i’ve “known” them a long time.
the elitist groups do not ever dump them. that’s how they can track your ratio. that’s how they can ban you.
and that info goes to tthe MPAA and RIAA when they’re shut down.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
SysOp at SuperTorrents.org again, would like to say that we don’t even log access attempts, and we don’t store users IP’s, we store hashes that allow us to ban users if necessary. Your argument is null.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
hi drake!
i guess you missed one of my replies above.
i DO NOT have a big problem with pbay and other open sites asking for donations – although i do stand by my opinion that admins/owners should pay for it themselves. and even if they don’t, they should publicly post verifiable costs and donation amounts, and prove exactly where the money went. not just pbay, but all sites that ask for donations. this is something Loki didn’t do. i have a problem, but not a BIG problem with it.
also, pbay and other like them (mininova, newnova, etc) do not require registration, track your ratios or offer VIP treatment or sell gigabytes.
i like pbay a lot and i use it. i’m glad they’re there and i like their attituse to the empty threats they get.
open accounting for these open sites will help keep the p2p world honest.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:59 pm
maybe the mpaa and riaa get 1 tracker a month. and thats pretty high.
they are getting most of their information from public running torrents.
private trackers keep out the riff raff too.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:03 pm
i know…mininova and newnova aren’t trackers. but they do ask for donations.
it’s a big difference to me, and i don’t have a BIG problem with these sites.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:03 pm
I also just noticed that this site is ridded with ads as well as a handy “Space For Rent” rotating banner at the top, you generate profit from these ads do you not? At least we’re not forcing every user to donate by looking at ads.
-Ersan
December 29th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
i don’t get paid.
and it’s not my site. i don’t run it or have any influence in the operations.
and anyway, this site is not a tracker, so your point is null.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:08 pm
Do ignore my first point.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:15 pm
I was trying to say that there can be a possibility. And of cause the logging thing is not a matter of tracker being “private” or not but more of admin being a jackass.
I`ve never stoppped believeing in good people that don`t do logs. And here is a proof!
December 29th, 2005 at 11:22 pm
if your group, and groups like yours, would publicly, openly and honestly post real, verifiable documentation on your home page and news sites like p2pnet, of what your costs are and how much money is paid to you, and verifiable proof of exactly where that money went, i might – MIGHT! – start to have a change of heart.
if you refuse to do even that, then it only shows how elitist and selfish and greedy you are. don’t you know that by keeping trackers open to all will bring in more and more people, which means more and more bandwidth being shared? that’s real sharing. what you do is despicable.
in either case, you should pay for it yourself. you chose to run a tracker. no one forced you to do it. it’s your responsibility to pay for and maintain it. no one else’s.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:32 pm
Bitsoup kicks ass. Donating versus requiring some sort of payment to use the site are waaaaaay different things. I have donated to two different trackers (not bitsoup though, myspleen and oink’s pink palace), and would easily donate again to ensure that the trackers are kept alive.
As long as a donation isn’t a requirement, then who cares, ive seen people with blogs that have a paypal donate button on them…. now that is sad.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:38 pm
i think that’s why he accepted US$8.5million from the cartels. they basically own him and the BitTorrent company he set up just before the deal went through.
when hollywood starts their own fee-based trackers, you’ll see a lot more threats from lawsuits and sites being shut down.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
baloney. sorry, but it is.
sites like yours regularly ban IP addresses – you even boast on your front page how you ban IP addresses from israel.
you know exactly the ip addresses of anyone who accesses your website. and i’m sure you’ll gladly hand over the logs to the MPAA when they come knocking.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:46 pm
If I revealed the real places the money goes, I would undoubtedly be banned from the services I pay for, or I’d be more than happy to. I cannot afford this on my own, nobody with a sub-$90,000/year salary could, and I’m an unemployed college student.
Before we went down, we had a section called ‘User Uploads’, we haven’t had the time to fix that code since we upgraded, is that sufficient enough to make you stop bitching about things you don’t understand?
I spend a significant amount of time and money on my site at no financial or social advantage to me, not to mention risking legal repercussions, and you have the nerve to call me elitist and selfish?
Once again I must stress that BitTorrent was NOT CREATED for public and open information sharing, use limewire or bearshare or any other of the senselessly annoying ads on this site if that’s what you want.
Why don’t you complain about companies who produce filesharing programs charging more for a ‘Pro’ version, as that is the exact same thing.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:52 pm
you said:
“BitTorrent was not originally developed to support public tracking of files.”
uh…then i guess it was developed so you and other greedy elitists could make money from it. just like the MPAA paid bram US$8.5million. you’re just like them – greedy.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:01 am
I’m also against trackers that force people to pay a certain amount of money in order to register an account, or sites that are making a nice profit and don’t really need donations. The thing is, you’re lumping a lot of the good private trackers into the group with the scammers.
A lot of these private trackers do post monthly goals. Some claim they need $200/month, some less…some more. Unless we know exactly what their server costs are we don’t know for sure if theu actually need this much money, but from what I’ve seen, these sites generally don’t exaggerate and post reasonable goals.
I just think it’s a big mistake to paint all private trackers, who ask for donations, with the same brush. Most people aren’t able to afford maintaining a Website that costs them $200/month. Why shouldn’t they ask file sharers for donations?
Most of the “VIP” accounts I’ve seen don’t even have many special privileges. They can leech without worrying about the admins deleting their account for a certain period of time. That’s about it.
Also, these private torrent sites don’t keep many logs. Log files become huge quickly so they’re purged regularly. One of the well known members/coders in the BT community stated this not too long ago. When you state that these admins can easily provide the MPAA (or whomever) with evidence which can be used against them, you’re misleading and scaring them at the same time.
Elite Torrents and LokiTorrent were both raided and, so far, none of the regular members of those Websites have been targetted. If these logs truly revealed as much information as you claim, they would have gone after tens of thousands of BT users already.
A lot of people don’t like private torrent sites. That’s fine, but don’t portray all of these sites as if they’re scam sites or anti p2p.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:16 am
you and your ilk give p2p a bad reputation and attract unwanted attention, giving more ammunition to the cartels who say they’re losing money because filesharing is a profit-earning industry (they say).
on the whole, it’s not. but you and your fellow elitists are making god knows how much money! you’re a college student? how can i believe that? i have no idea who or where you are, and no way for you or me to prove either way.
you’re a pirate.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:18 am
I’m done, you don’t want to listen to reason, and you have no facts to back up your arguments, you just keep spouting nonsense about site owners being elitist, greedy, and selfish when you have no idea where the donation money goes or how necessary it is. Start your own private tracker, devote thousands of hours to it, then try to maintain it as your userbase grows without donations, and then maybe people will listen to you.
Your opinions are a mix of selective listening and twisting ideas to fit your agenda. That’s all I have to say.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Where does this bullshit come from? My first priority is maintaining the anonymity of our users, and it has been from day one. We banned Israel’s netblock, we don’t log access attempts from them, nor do we log successful access attempts (or IP’s of users who request information from our servers). What possible reason could we have for keeping that information? An IP is used once, then discarded. Learn how cryptography works and maybe you’d understand that by ‘hashing’ users IP’s, we (and subsequently anyone that has access to our databases) don’t know what their actual values are… An incoming connection’s IP is hashed then compared to our blacklist, if there’s a match that user is denied access.
If you don’t know what you’re talking about, then don’t pretend to.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:38 am
What do you mean that BITSOUP is CRAP?
‘Whatever happened to sharing for free? After all, free is what it’s all about!’
IT IS FREE, only with the FTP server you can get it faster, so go crawl back into the little hole that YOU came from!
December 30th, 2005 at 12:41 am
i said nothing of the sort. that info about bitsoup comes from the text file i received. i didn’t write it and i don’t know if it’s true or not.
my reason for posting it has been explained a few times. please read the messages.
December 30th, 2005 at 1:24 am
Are you Freeking mental ???
Peep this ALL
cost 200 -400 USD for a decent server with enuff bandwidth and space to do what some of these sites do …… they pay for coders , server bills , licencing , site promotions and give aways ….. its not a proffitable craft
take loki for example ….. 40K … yeah thats alotta cake but 40 K over how long ?
these trackers are not put to gether for free
if a user has a crappy ratio they should be able to buy thier way out of it …. save thier acct ….. its 2006 for christ sake
also i really dont think you have ever run a filesharing community of any moderate size ….. or else it would go under lol
as for security P2p related access etc …..gimmie a break its a wonderland of IP’s to play with for a hacker
i think the ppl in the scene are just gelous they didnt think of these site models 1st .
PS
Eat ME
December 30th, 2005 at 1:56 am
This is a hot topic for sure. Personally I have no problem with private trackers unless they offer ‘benefits’ for donations. This is, in my opinion, leaving the site owners on shaky ground legally and in turn could tarnish all sites as being ‘commercial pirates’
Donating to keep a site up should not give a user any benefits, except maybe a nice star next to your name
Also to reply to your comment on public trackers dumping logs, if I log in to a certain Swedish tracker, there are totals of my uploaded and downloaded data since registering there. Whilst I know it is not necessary to register, the point I make is that public trackers clearly do keep some records.
December 30th, 2005 at 2:10 am
To quote you:
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“Some people however want far more then what they can seed back (some ppl have upload capacity of 256kbps maybe less), since PiSexy kills bad leechers accounts, the VIP option is to leech whatever you want without being kicked! You are still urged to seed tho
They kill bad leechers, unless you stump up the cash then they don’t care what you take.
Hardly a sharing ethos, take what you want and give us the money.
In a nutshell they are selling warez = commercial pirates.
Pisexy, along with others selling VIP’s are damaging p2p. The whole point is that you share, wether on ftp’s, newsgroups, bittorrent (public or private trackers) or even Kazaa. Donating to keep a site running is one thing, to get ‘extras’ for donating is just plain wrong.
December 30th, 2005 at 2:29 am
The article does contain some valid information and is correct in that it makes more people aware and I applaud your efforts in that respect.
I feel i have to add to this though, that it is also very poor also, as it clearly lacks research and is littered with opinion rather than just stating the facts and then adding your own opinion at the end. Read up at Slyck.com to see how it should be done.
December 30th, 2005 at 2:35 am
You obviously know shit about torrent websites sir. Its all about building up a ratio. Share what you download, and dont become a leecher but contribute to the sharing community and build up a positive ratio. Some people contribute in another way to the community. They donate cash in order to pay for the website hosting and the massive bandwidth a big torrent site requires. Nobody is FORCED to pay. Its OPTIONAL. As a reward these DONATERS receive extra upload credit to compensate their sharing. Some people have crappy upload speeds or are dramatically limited by their ISPs. DONATING will allow them to contribute to the community, do their part, and cover their ratio losses.
Ofcourse donating shouldnt be an excuse to pay off your leecher damage and make you hit and run like hell, because with another 20 bucks you can boost up your ratio. Without these donaters the big successfull torrent websites will be offline in no time, simple because the lack of funds.
Your article makes torrent websites look bad. Myself i am member of both filelist and bitsoup, and can assure you that i never donated (lack of CC) but shared my part in keeping up a GOOD ratio and helping where possible (seeds, reseeds, but also forum help, tech probs, community building). I never felt the pressure on donating. Users arent charged, they are just asked for their financial support because websites simply cost money. And in a community we all share our resources.
Scene access isnt sold. Registering and leeching/seeding torrents are free. You dont pay a single penny if you dont want to!
[quote]Keep filesharing free and open to everyone! Anyone who wants to run a tracker knows that it costs money. If they arenât willing to pay for it themselves, they have no business and no right running a tracker.[/quote]
You should have finished grammar school or w/e its called in your country. You are so simple minded and really know nothing about the COMMUNITY aspect.
December 30th, 2005 at 2:58 am
I made first post just fyi…
I’d agree with the third responder. The first two responders aredead wrong. Public trackers dump logs, but RIAAcan just browse to that site, gather ips by using azureus, logging ontoa torrent and seeing all seedsand leeches. I believe it’s alot harder/morework to signup for sites and do the same. N00bs…
December 30th, 2005 at 3:08 am
Oh well, if you guys remember, a few months back a hong kong citizen was charged with uploading hollywood films via bt. He was sentenced to 6 month jail if i recall. That would probably be the first case in the world thats someone is being charge of using bt or uploading files. The problem lies in how the government is keen on working with the media companies and agencies. It is impossible to place and charge 100 million bt users in jail, if i am under estimating the figure. Well for now we have heard news of how hollywood had hired programmers to upload dummy trackers or files to bt to attempt to sabotage bt users. But seems like non of them ever succeeded thanks to the crc error check within the bt programme.
It is true that bt is a simple concept yet the architecture of the programme is complex. It brings us joy that our bandwidth is almost fully utilize and thats one of the main reason why it remained as popular. No ones mentioned about IRC(Internet Relay Chat) which is one of the pioneer of file sharing. For those who are unaware, most of the file sharing groups have their own IRC channels and they too have bots and fserves (file servers usually IRC users themselves) contributed to file sharing. And as far as i recall, File sharing on IRC is as early as the start of the the mid 1990’s when internet start becoming famous. Although there were many attempts to terminate irc servers, die hard group move around from one server to another. My first IRC program was 3.02 if i recalled.
I was one of those fserves before and enjoyed the freedom of getting files from other fserves and bots. You need to understand basic IRC commands before you can perform your searches and you need to know exactly which IRC server to login and which channel to access to before you can do anything. Its those do-it-yourself search that really makes the searching more worth while.
There are also other version of IRC programmes which slowly evolves and specialise only in file sharing, with scripts and addons that helps to track bots and fserves once your type a command line for example !list on the the main channel. IRC commands are pretty much like DOS commands. One search could end up with hunderds of fserves and bots depending on the popularity of the channel. The good thing is, there is an unspoken code in us, be a file sharer or a leech. Some fserves restrict some of their files to only people who are fserves themselves. The channel is kept under survillience by the channel owners or those who have power, and give the voice as we call it to people who share. There are also bots they have to keep track of the number of gigs you have to share so as to differentiate between true fserves and bogus.
Although the popularity of bt helped pretty much in file sharing as of the recent years by providing the fool proof way to file sharing, IRC is still around. It outlived Napster, outlived kazaa ( i never used kazaa after napster since its pretty stupid to have my downloads terminate half way). And also its pretty much alive now, i still uses IRC once in a while to get my files. Even if one day bt will be replaced by some other new p2p file sharing, we will expect to rely on many other methods of file sharing. There are still ftp, emule and others… not even mentioned by the http as well. But for now, dont put all the praises on bt. There are always conventional way of file sharing. Try IRC for once.
December 30th, 2005 at 3:09 am
[quote] hopefully they and all there like get shut down thrown in prison and get assraped by 1000 inmates simultaneously [end qote]
Reliving your fantasies again? Your post screams of LEEEEEEEECH!!!! Just stay on the public trackers with all the other dumb fucks that don’t know what SHARING means.
December 30th, 2005 at 3:11 am
Oh well, if you guys remember, a few months back a hong kong citizen was charged with uploading hollywood films via bt. He was sentenced to 6 month jail if i recall. That would probably be the first case in the world thats someone is being charge of using bt or uploading files. The problem lies in how the government is keen on working with the media companies and agencies. It is impossible to place and charge 100 million bt users in jail, if i am under estimating the figure. Well for now we have heard news of how hollywood had hired programmers to upload dummy trackers or files to bt to attempt to sabotage bt users. But seems like non of them ever succeeded thanks to the crc error check within the bt programme.
It is true that bt is a simple concept yet the architecture of the programme is complex. It brings us joy that our bandwidth is almost fully utilize and thats one of the main reason why it remained as popular. No ones mentioned about IRC(Internet Relay Chat) which is one of the pioneer of file sharing. For those who are unaware, most of the file sharing groups have their own IRC channels and they too have bots and fserves (file servers usually IRC users themselves) contributed to file sharing. And as far as i recall, File sharing on IRC is as early as the start of the the mid 1990’s when internet start becoming famous. Although there were many attempts to terminate irc servers, die hard group move around from one server to another. My first IRC program was 3.02 if i recalled.
I was one of those fserves before and enjoyed the freedom of getting files from other fserves and bots. You need to understand basic IRC commands before you can perform your searches and you need to know exactly which IRC server to login and which channel to access to before you can do anything. Its those do-it-yourself search that really makes the searching more worth while.
There are also other version of IRC programmes which slowly evolves and specialise only in file sharing, with scripts and addons that helps to track bots and fserves once your type a command line for example !list on the the main channel. IRC commands are pretty much like DOS commands. One search could end up with hunderds of fserves and bots depending on the popularity of the channel. The good thing is, there is an unspoken code in us, be a file sharer or a leech. Some fserves restrict some of their files to only people who are fserves themselves. The channel is kept under survillience by the channel owners or those who have power, and give the voice as we call it to people who share. There are also bots they have to keep track of the number of gigs you have to share so as to differentiate between true fserves and bogus.
Although the popularity of bt helped pretty much in file sharing as of the recent years by providing the fool proof way to file sharing, IRC is still around. It outlived Napster, outlived kazaa ( i never used kazaa after napster since its pretty stupid to have my downloads terminate half way). And also its pretty much alive now, i still uses IRC once in a while to get my files. Even if one day bt will be replaced by some other new p2p file sharing, we will expect to rely on many other methods of file sharing. There are still ftp, emule and others… not even mentioned by the http as well. But for now, dont put all the praises on bt. There are always conventional way of file sharing. Try IRC for once.
December 30th, 2005 at 3:20 am
I’m a much respected uploader at a few members only sites and you are totally off base with this; we want files to propagate, not dead links thus the monitoring of ratio’s. and the donation of funds is voluntary to keep the site alive. mind you there are greedy admins out there so only use sites that disclose their costs and current funds so as there is no abuse. I personally have never donated but I donate my bandwith and content so I have sufficently helped the site in lieu of money. the members only sites I use now because Elite torrents got taken down focus on security and making sure there are no links on the internet to lead the inexperienced filesharer to them; yes this keeps the ranks down but they are growing at a slower process with trustworthy peeps who share back what they take; this is the nature of bittorent!
Filesharing is so much more fun in a community environment; I loved the time I had at Elite torrents. BUT YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PAY TO BE A MEMBER! we take steps to ensure that people share what they take as to keep the downloads fast! Dumbasses!
Public trackers are useless for less popular stuff because everyone hits’n'runs! you can’t get any decent speed there. Bittorrent is about community involvement in a swarm to make it effective; I once in my days at Elite had a file stay on the tracker with 100 seeds for over 6 months! Thats community involvement! allowing a file to be readilly traded at extreme speeds for an extended period of time, and this is not a hosting server, it’s pure p2p!
This is Affliction! Listen to the DAWG!
December 30th, 2005 at 3:50 am
Hello,
I am a sysop at the SuperTorrents you mentioned. I hope you meant the .net version because the .org version is very honest and we are constantly rolling out new features for our members. In case you havent noticed, public sites also ask for and accept donations so i don’t understand where you get off saying we must all be scamming P2P’ers. As i’m sure you can understand, running a site that hosts potentially thousands of members costs money.
We have always held the belief that P2P should be free and we do not force anyone to pay anything…at all. All we ask is that if you can spare some money then to please donate, and in return we can keep the site running and provide our users quality downloads at fast speeds, two things you do not see at public sites i might add.
We also offer a community that makes our users feel very close to the staff. We are not overtly dominearing, nor are we invisible from the works of the site. We work right along with our users and we listen to what they want from a torrent site and do our best to fulfill those wishes.
I would hope that you would reconsider your stance on private BT sites. I can not vouch for the other BT sites but as a SysOp at SuperTorrents.net i can tell you that we are only here to share. Is that not the reason we are all in p2p in the first place?
Thank you for you time,
-Szentigrade (SuperTorrents.Org SysOp)
December 30th, 2005 at 4:06 am
You are a total loser moron! Your so called ‘article’ is nothing more that garbage, you probably got BOOTED from those sites for not sharing right, so you wage a one moron war against them.
For the record, MORON, I have NEVER been asked to pay, only to share, which I do. It cretins like you that do more harm to the P2P world than good, YES, there are bad sites out there that demand you pay them, but GOOD sharers avoid those sites.
So why are you so moronicaly waging a war against them? Maybe you dont share and they banned you.
yes, that must be it, like your opinion, its all one way traffic. Did you even bother to ask these sites for comment?
Your article is not therefore and article, its a OPINION.
and a poor one at that.
Go screw yourself, and BTW, get your facts right loser!
December 30th, 2005 at 4:17 am
so because a site has its member’s support them to cover costs of running sitee you cry like a baby,
In life everything costs something.
You think the people that run the sites just are able to for free??
Most of those sites dont force anyone to support the server bills
FREEDOM OF CHOICE LET IT REST
December 30th, 2005 at 4:27 am
And you, you don’t mind all these banners all over the place tho do you.
That’s asking for donations IMHO.
Of course you’ll say someone has to pay the bills here, but why is that any different than BT sites asking for donations, someone has to pay the bills there too.
And as a BT site has useful content, I’d donate before I’d click on one of your banners anyday.
It’s an option just as clicking on your banners is an option as well. No one forces anyone to donate to any BT site, just as no one forces anyone to click on your banners.
So get off your high moral horse.
December 30th, 2005 at 4:40 am
What an interesting report — though in part it is bogus …
Bitsoup.org for example, does not require payment and sharing is FREE as it is supposed to be … donations are voluntary and they allow for a solution to problems for folks that have an upload bandwidth that is capped to a very low amount by their ISP …
Donations help to offset the cost of operating the hardware needed to host the website … and that website hosting does not come free or cheap for major websites, should for sure not be news to p2pnet.net now, is it?
Otherwise, I guess all those ad banners all over this site are just for show ???
I would suggest more qualified research before posting bad information … but it goes to show you: Don’t believe everything you read on the internet !!!
December 30th, 2005 at 6:35 am
What a bunch of crap.
There are alot of Clubs (whatever club) in the world, known by alot. Do that make it limited clubs ? Ofcource not, you have to become a member …..
How many (quality) torrent tracker sites will stay alive, if the owners don’t have the right to ask support for it ?
Ow yeah, they can add alot of advertising if they manage to find those advertisers. Which i personally hate. Most of the time you end up woth porn/gambling ads.
I see absolutely no harm in asking a donation, more so if you have a CHOICE!
And about atracting RIAA,MPAA or whatever, NAPSTEr, KAZAA, SUPERNOVA where all VERY FREE AND PUBLIC TRACKERS. Where are they now ? Right, busted….duh.
There goes another vaporware argument….
PS: i really hope this site isn’t yours (the articles writer). What a outdated message system :-/
December 30th, 2005 at 6:45 am
Killing leeches (people who are stubbern and don’t want to share with the rest, according to their stats) is a good thing, infact, it’s the only thing to keep a private tracker actractive.
This way they ensure (to a point) better speeds for their torrents (overall).
Public trackers has 0% control in this, the speed you achieve on any given torrent is totally random and more often then not slower.
Also the quality is less of the uploaded material.
Killing leeches also raise the moral of the people who DO share and encourage them to keep doing it.
Private trackers are a valid option for people willing the invest in a solid base for their torrents, along with a nice community.
As long as you have a choice what you do, share or donate, Private trackers have my blessing.
December 30th, 2005 at 6:49 am
Inserted by the scene release groups indeed. Maybe if you were a VIP you could buy a clue.
MaxtheSilent.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:23 am
Go Public, put your IP out there for the world to see, no thanks, will stick to private, member only trackers, that do not share with people, and require some level of sharing, to ensure everyone gets a chance to download. Want to go to jail faster, just download from public trackers, that sell ads to earn money, and annoy you with popups all the time. Oh, look, a donate button on that public tracker, wonder what revenue that generates for the site owner.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:26 am
ahh look who it is max the cocksucking silent.. hello from an old friend my boy ;D (we all know u have many friends right?)
every1 say hi to max the silent hes a cohert of Pimpy the fraudelent owner of pisexy.org. how nice of u to grace us with ur precense max… i trust ur doing well these days? anyways…..
be warned my old friend… ur and pimpie’s days r numbered… since ur here why not tell all of us about ur profiting scheme that has paid off so well with pisexy? im sure all the dumbass sheep uve profited off of would love to hear the story. im sure all the reply well get from these ass monkeys is much like the prior one he blessed us with (along with all of the dumbass fan boyz replies that have littered these replies)…
we shall be seeing u soon my friend.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:28 am
r u really that stupid? u think the **AA dont have accounts at these “private” sites?
LMFAO
stupid is as stupid does
December 30th, 2005 at 7:33 am
I have it on good authority that those text files about PiSexy came from a few disguntled dvd-core newsgroup users (egged on by some of the administration of Wild-Bytes.org, mainly Goliath2k and Therm).
The text are being inserted before being posted to that newsgroup by users that have been banned from PiSexy for abuse, cheating, disrepect or just plain low ratio. They are abetted by some of the admin of Wild-Bytes who strangely enough were also banned from PiSexy.
The scene groups would scene ban anyone they caught posting releases to any P2P sites. I imagine some heads will roll when the groups find out who is altering their releases for their own agendas.
If you did a little research before you spouted off, you would have found that those text files are not in any release that doesn’t go through the DVD-Core newsgroup. Congratulations for forwarding somebody else’s agenda. (Funny how some of the people involved are from a site #2 on your boycott list) What happened, did they kick you off the site for not sharing?
Common Sense
(Feel free to use my name, if you can live up to it.)
December 30th, 2005 at 7:40 am
Well, try harder. Seems to me your explanation sucks, just like this whole “socalled” article.
You make accusations with comments you cannot backup. You never verified any word of it and yet you come up with your “facts”.
We all get sick of it , you say ? Who is all ? not me for sure, just like alot of others here seeing all those comments.
What are your sources ? Have you even tried to contact some others to see what they feel about it ?
This article is 100% bogus, it sounds more like a gosip magazine writer who writes columns for a gosip magazine. A cheap columnist , if you ask me.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:45 am
that *may* be true… but it doesnt change the fact that these sites r selling gigs which is the bottom line.. there profiting offa there dumbass users.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:52 am
they aren’t profiting… it costs a lot of money to run these types of sites, I doubt they even get enough to just cover the basics.
December 30th, 2005 at 8:17 am
pimpy himself has bragged about how much hes profiting from the site….
December 30th, 2005 at 8:50 am
The author is obviously not well informed.
One of the sites listed has nothing to do with anything he has stated. I am a member there and there is no fee whatsoever, the site is totally free, totally secure, and I am protected there. Private sites are the future of P2P and member security and privacy is paramount. Some do charge but those that are part of the file sharing community do not. I feel safe and comfortable there and know the members are friendly and my IP cannot be found by any online agency.
So to the author, get the facts before you spew your BS.
December 30th, 2005 at 8:56 am
catflap so you just post shit without verifying its authenticity?
I know for a fact Centurion Underground doesnt charge a dime and is totally free cause I am a member. So are we to trust your un informed opinion? or are you just a pissed off loser who was dumped from one or all of these sites?
December 30th, 2005 at 8:58 am
ur a moron then if u think being on a “private” site ensures ur safety. how hard would it be for the **AA to get on any of these sites?
again, another dumbass
lol
December 30th, 2005 at 9:10 am
$200,- is a bargain. when you have to keep up a site with thousands of torrents and more then 10.000 members, cost goes easaly to $ 1000,- and more..
That is, if you wan’t a site that is accesible.
December 30th, 2005 at 9:16 am
you’re both idiots, how else your gonna enforce people to share ?
Know any solid ideas ? Let’s share them !
But i do think your like the articles writter, a looser who only wants to get things without sharing, now who’s greedy ?
December 30th, 2005 at 9:23 am
This is not a private tracker it is a locked down server and no one on earth can get in except for members. But why even bother explaining the inner workings to a 12 year old.
December 30th, 2005 at 9:49 am
And suprnova was a bad place? other than being located in finland of course
December 30th, 2005 at 10:04 am
I’ve thought you’ve done some good work in the past, catflap, and I had a fair amount of respect for you. But I think that you’ve overdone it this time in posting your opinion about these sites. While I do agree that charging $25 for ftp access is ridiculous, offering upload credit for donation is a widespread and acceptable practice. Our BT communities would not exist without the servers they are hosted on. It can be time consuming and costly. If someone expects these sites to remain available for everyone’s usage, you should expect to see lots of ads floating around the site, such as here, or expect to see a donation button. I dislike ads, and generally will never click them, but I have been known to donate on occasion.
The folks operating these sites are just like you and I. They have real lives, jobs, families, and bills to pay. If they wish to ask for help in paying for the site/tracker that WE use, you shouldn’t fault them for it. You don’t HAVE to donate. Offering upload credit should be a praised practice. We all are limited by our bandwidth, and some more so than others, like our good friends over in New Zealand. Do they deserve to be left out of the p2p loop because there is no “fat pipe” available to them? I think not. If those people wish to part with their money to help fulfill the “ratio agreement” and support the sites that WE use, I have more respect for them.
I think it is very generous of the site ops to GIVE something EXTRA, for a DONATION. Ever donated to the Red Cross, catflap? Were they generous enough to give you something for your gesture?
Even the “free” public sites ask for donations, (not all, but most). They will usually ALL give something in exchange for your money, whether it be additional forum access, or a pretty little “donator” tag under your username. You might as well delete all of those from your bookmarks, too. While you’re at it, please add those site names to you’re list in the op-ed piece you’ve displayed here for all of us.
December 30th, 2005 at 10:22 am
PS: i really hope this site isn’t yours (the articles writer). What a outdated message system :-/
I was just thinking the same thing .. bloody pain in the arse
December 30th, 2005 at 10:25 am
On the list of pay sites you’ve mentioned, the bottom one is wrong, sorry you’ve got wrong information
December 30th, 2005 at 10:39 am
“Quote” open trackers that don’t monitor your usage or ban you for low ratios;
Just wondering how many private sites that have banned you for having a “low ratio” aka hit and running ?
Perhaps thats your grudge ?
December 30th, 2005 at 10:41 am
you’re both idiots
Everyone in this world is an idiot to at least one other
as for teh leech name calling flying around
just because someone hit’s and runs on 1 torrent doesn’t mean they’ve never shared on another or many others
not everyone has the time desire or whatever to always replace what they’ve taken on every single file
anyone who claims they’ve never leeched 1 file in their life is a bloody liar and anyone who believes them .. well i got some lovely florida swampland for sale
also all those users that brag about their 4:1 ratios and shit .. your almost as bad as all the leechers on the private trackers … making life harder for those who option NOT to pay for VIP to maintain a 1:1 ratio and not get booted. get a clue it can never add up to anything other than 1:1 system wide for 1 mb to be ul’d 1 mb had to dl’d
*rant off
December 30th, 2005 at 11:07 am
Does p2pnet facilitate the distribution of warez? NO. So if it wants to charge for its news and opinions it can – thats legal. If it wants to have adverts – thats also legal. Get a grip and see the difference
December 30th, 2005 at 11:28 am
Any thing can be gotten into. ANYTHING
Let me repeat and spell that out in case you are deaf or dense.
A N Y T H I N G!!!
TNO and CYA: trust no one and cover your ass
Just because a site hasn’t been taken down doesn’t mean it won’t be taken down. doesn’t mean it isn’t known.
The MPAA and RIAA are not GOD, they do have to set priorites and can’t do everything at once. Hopefully taht is not news to you or anyone else.
And remember the only ppl REALLY making money from p2p are the lawyers.
December 30th, 2005 at 11:38 am
How many of those small private trackers have you been banned from?
Thats a direct question. Whats the real agenda behind you exposing small private trackers to public scrutiny? You should grind your axe some where else.
December 30th, 2005 at 11:52 am
Catflap says :
“Anyone who wants to run a tracker knows that it costs money. If they arenât willing to pay for it themselves, they have no business and no right running a tracker.” Seems to me that this would be a good example of the “elitist attitude” s/he’s complaining about….
In the real world, tracker op’s rely upon a range of contributions from members – new content, bandwidth, technical expertise, forum help, moderation, and sometimes cash. But there’s a balance here, and members soon disappear if an operator becomes greedy or unappreciative.
So thanks to catflap for a sincere & passionate opinion, but I don’t share it. If a group chooses to reward donations, or to award seniority to members who contribute time & skill, then other members simply have to decide if they feel this to be fair. If they don’t, they know where the door is….
December 30th, 2005 at 11:52 am
Dude you are such a moron. Most private trackers use 32 character key not an ip addresses to track ratio whether they take donations or not. Do a little research. You obviously don’t have the related experience or you wouldn’t say such nonsense.
Its about the sharing, some do it with bandwidth and some do it with money. They all do it voluntarily.
You should stick with Kaaza or eMule and leave BT to the big boys.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:04 pm
That single quote says it all, really.
What sort of jealous, vicious, unprincipled piece of shit would actually *want* to get another P2P community busted? That statement takes away any claim to high moral ground, and reveals a nasty, vindictive and malicious intent.
I use all kinds of trackers, and if I think that an operator is getting greedy or giving undue benefits to donors (or moderaters etc) then *I* decide whether to leave. I don’t appreciate being lectured or threatened about my choices.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:18 pm
well one thing I didn’t like was that i had to wait days before my upload was aproved for one thing. Wasn’t a ‘bad’ site though, it had issue’s….
December 30th, 2005 at 12:24 pm
hey, i am not talking about ONE hit and run. i am talking about leechers who are member for 10days+, leeched 20GB+ and gave back next to nothing.
Hit and run isn’t that bad, we all do it from time to time (well alot do). As long as you don’t do it ALWAYS and seriously seed some stuff it’s not a issue.
I know some sites are demanding 1 to 1 up/downloading. That’s a terrible thing to do and also hardly impossible to achieve. It’s all in balancing the amount of seeders vs leechers, keeping torrents alive and most of the community happy.
The (real) leechers should always be banned, period.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:32 pm
asking for donations is perfectly fina.. theres a ton of bt sites that survive just fine on donations… as far as im concerned if ya hafta sell others bandwidth ie. selling gigs ur site just blows, period
December 30th, 2005 at 12:36 pm
hi!
i have stated here several times that i do not know of ANY BT sites that force anyone to pay anything – EXCEPT for elitist VIP memberships.
i do NOT – as already stated – know if bitsoup charges for ftp access. that is what the text says and i only pasted it in the article.
i don’t get paid here and as i’ve already stated, i have no influence of the operation of this site.
please read the messages before you comment.
and yes…it is my opinion – it is NOT labeled as a news article. but it is the same opinion of a growing number of filesharers.
KEEP P2P FREE AND OPEN TO EVERYONE!
as someone on slyck said:
“Its Peer-to-Peer – not Peer-to-Profiteer-to-Peer”.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:39 pm
Sure, Pisexy might be scamming people, but leave BitSoup alone. Its not like they are forcing you to donate. Sure, they may send out one too many “please donate messages” but can you blame them? With over 70,000 users, imagine how much bandwidth and server costs are. Imagine how much time and effort must go into that site. Give me a break. Catflap, quite flappin your gills. Supporting release groups that are asking the MPAA to come and shut certain sites down, isnt that making a deal with the devil? Its rediculous. If people want to donate they will, if they dont want to they wont, and that is a decision that should be left up to you, but to the people who use these sites.
December 30th, 2005 at 12:48 pm
hi!
i have stated here several times that i do not know of ANY BT sites that force anyone to pay anything – EXCEPT for elitist VIP memberships.
i do NOT – as already stated – know if bitsoup charges for ftp access. that is what the text says and i only pasted it in the article.
i don’t get paid here and as i’ve already stated, i have no influence of the operation of this site.
please read the messages before you comment.
and yes…it is my opinion – it is NOT labeled as a news article. but it is the same opinion of a growing number of filesharers.
KEEP P2P FREE AND OPEN TO EVERYONE!
as someone on slyck said:
“Its Peer-to-Peer – not Peer-to-Profiteer-to-Peer”.
admins and owners (especially the elitist groups) should pay for it themselves. if they can’t, then they have no business or right running a tracker.
as i’ve already stated, i DO NOT have a big problem with open trackers asking for donations – but i would like to see them post true, open accurate and verifiable accounts of the incoming paments, their real costs, and exactly where the money goes.
December 30th, 2005 at 1:32 pm
hi!
i have stated here several times that i do not know of ANY BT sites that force anyone to pay anything – EXCEPT for elitist VIP memberships.
i do NOT – as already stated – know if bitsoup charges for ftp access. that is what the text says and i only pasted it in the article.
i don’t get paid here and as i’ve already stated, i have no influence of the operation of this site.
please read the messages before you comment.
and yes…it is my opinion – it is NOT labeled as a news article. but it is the same opinion of a growing number of filesharers.
KEEP P2P FREE AND OPEN TO EVERYONE!
as someone on slyck said:
“Its Peer-to-Peer – not Peer-to-Profiteer-to-Peer”.
December 30th, 2005 at 1:40 pm
WTF!!!! Does none of you people have a mind of your own. At the end of the day BITSOUP does not FORCE people to donate. They don’t say DONATE or you’re off the site. BITSOUP has the best “community” I have ever seen compared to some other sites. AHEM!! You don’t have to give money but the option is there.
MOTLEY
December 30th, 2005 at 1:41 pm
Being a member of 1 of the aformentioned sites i think perhaps you need to educate yourself a little about some of these ” private sites” that you speak of … I have not, nor have been asked for any monetary compensation for using the site …. I have exactly the same access as the members that have decided to contribute, the only thing they get is a tag on their name that states they have helped support the site financially… They get no upload credits nor any other favours that any of the other members do not get.. All the site demands is that if you wish to be a member that you contribute by being active in the site and by trying to keep reasonable ratios, this helps to stop the hit and runners that ruin the download speeds more commonly seen on the “public sites” you speak of !!
Perhaps your gripe has more to do with your unability to be grown up about this and more to the point that you probably are one of the hit and runners that most private sites won’t allow as they prefer to protect the decent filesharers of this world…. Don’t whine about what you obviously have little knowledge about !!!
December 30th, 2005 at 2:08 pm
“Two text files were attached. I assume they were written by the original release group.”
Nope, they have been included by someone repacking the original scene releases before posting them to the newsgroups (a.b.dvdrcore mainly) & elsewhere, with the intent of creating distrust in the p2p community (have you not heard of antip2p yet?). And helpfully, you are assisting them by not researching your article thoroughly before you posted it.
I’m not going to go into the argument of public vs private trackers, as I really don’t want to add fuel to the fire. If you don’t like something, don’t use it. No need to resort to petty whinging.
But who needs the MP@@ or RI@@ to destroy the p2p community, when they have people such as yourself spreading hearsay and destroying the p2p community from within. Way to go – you should be proud!
December 30th, 2005 at 2:08 pm
Can you not just hate snarf-it.org since its a lame assed excuse for a torrent site?
The only site on your list trying to squeeze money is BitSoup…Damn the person who wrote this article realy is quite the ass and has no fucking clue what he is on about.
Hag yourself for being a dumbass…Its the only way to free us of your dumb ass words.
December 30th, 2005 at 2:17 pm
This is a troll if I ever saw one, and I am ashamed of myself for responding to your cry for attention.
However, …….rather than bash you (which you obviosuly deserve), I would like to suggest that you base your editorials on facts, rather than what your “elite” friends tell you.
It is obvious by this pathetic cry for attention, that you have little to no first hand experience in the real world, and therefore really shouldn’t be considered to be any sort of an authoity.
A couple of things you might do with your spare time; grow up and get a job.
December 30th, 2005 at 3:01 pm
Please, Bittorrent indexing sites thrive by the succes of the REAL torrentsite. The Real torrentsite, where the files are originally uploaded.
So Indexing sites are alot easier to maintain and are 100% depending on other sites; the torrent sites.
And where you get the idea Bitsoup is squeezing for money ?
I have seen pity ass sites who dare to ask ⬠3,- for a louzy 5GB or ⬠6,- for 10 GB. Compare that to Bitsoup’s offers and everyone can see that’s alot cheaper á GB.
Dunno where you coming from, but you sound like a NooB.
December 30th, 2005 at 3:07 pm
Ofcourse Bitsoup won’t ask money for FTP Acces, atleast not FTP acces to their torrentsite.
FTP is free to use for everyone, you can dl freeware FTP software (Client ans server) yourself.
However, if people are willing to pay for FTP access to some server/content then it must be worth it, does are not the dumb people you are referring to. So again you are speaking babblish.
Infact, i think it’s a insult to all those people/members who , despite of your rant, have a mind of their own.
December 30th, 2005 at 3:12 pm
ow, and about “free” FTP access. where do you think those big companies with “free” FTP servers get the money to keep those servers alive ? Charity? Don’t think so.
Scene releases, non-profit collgeguys/codewizzards who offer that stuff. Where do they get the money for their server ? Ow wait, they don’t. They use a server (or “borrow”) from the University or a IT-company they work at.
You are not that stupid to think they gather that money with work they do, or collecting it from charity ?
Are you ?
December 30th, 2005 at 3:32 pm
What is a real torrent site?
One like piratebay? Getting watched 24/7 by Anti Piracy groups having more viruses then kazaa(and thats a big thing) and overall having none of the good quality/speed of a private site…This article wont do anything to deter these sites it will make them stronger and just as more eager to piss off ass fucks like this article starter!
n00b you say? Please dont result to petty insults.
w00t he uses n00b he must be 1337 lets not start something with him
December 30th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
having read this uninformed article, i felt the need to comment.
i am a member of a few of you boycotted sites and find that this dreaded ratio system you speak of is onlly a way of trying to stop people hit and running on torrents and your utopian view of filesharing is laughable to say the least !
asking money for membership is wrong and it is common knowledge that pisexy is fraudulent, i dont know about bitsoup.
but if people wish to donate to help run servers or get so called vip status i see no problem with that. if you are in the position to help then help !
So you have boycotted the sites you listed above Good just one less hit and runner who then probably complain about the quality of the release.
December 30th, 2005 at 6:53 pm
Donating for a site yes, but what about someone working this site day and nite, keeping it running.
you expect one person to do this for nothing? Do you think Suprnova made no money? Suprnova was full of adds, they made more money in a week then PiSexy owner does in a year.
Most of the VIP members have a more then fair ratio. I actually just heard that there are less then 4% VIP member.
I would like you to start your own torrent site and do that for free, spend 14h a day 7 days a week and of course find time to earn some money to pay the bills.
The site owner never made 10.000 usd a month, the quote is totally out of context (like with all US media reports
)
December 30th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
Why don’t you shut the Fuck up!!!! I’m sick of hearing all this bullshit! There are a few sites out there that make you pay for shit, those should be avoided. But with Araditracker and bitmetv etc…they are not demanding money from anyone!!!! I use these sites everyday, I donate because I WANT TOO!!!! I prefer PRIVATE sites to PUBLIC sites any day of the week, I get FAST speeds and know and trust that the uploaders DO NOT put SHIT on the site, where as public sites you can add whatever you want to the file…I have done it before as a pissed off person…you never know what you’re gonna get until its too late!!!
Private sites are free, except to the owners of them…the honest ones don’t solicite money telling members to pay up or else. You need to better inform yourself of the shit that spews forth from your lips, you have no clue what a Private site stands for, community. Go be a leech at those Public-shit sites, I’ll seed back and more at my Private sites, Go Fuck Yourself.
~FYAL~
December 30th, 2005 at 7:58 pm
I agree, this guy is clueless
regards: JoeMammA
December 30th, 2005 at 8:07 pm
Oh no, what will we ever do??? I belong to one of the sites that you have decided to boycott. You have hurt my feelings. Have fun in your “Public” sites. – Jebus
December 30th, 2005 at 10:44 pm
hehe, ow well i was caught in this whole noncence.
Piratebay serves a need, good or bad. Alot of people come there.
But as a respected member of Bitsoup i cannot agree with your comment, signing up is 100% free and donating is 100% your own choice. Bitsoup is nothing like PI-Sexy! So where comes your idea of Bitsoup comes from ?
December 30th, 2005 at 10:56 pm
LOL
those so-you-called “open” trackers , more so those torrent INDEXING sites, “borrow” (i almost said steal) their content from other Trackers, public AND private ones.
But hey, i get your idea. You want the torrent sharing idea to work in a totally FREE for ALL envirement. No signup, no begging for money, no ratio control at all. And you really believe people stay seeding in such envirement ?
DHT isn’t developed by Bittorent developer, DHT is the TNT under the bittorent sharing principle. Al those nifty features they put in the clients to abuse the private tracker sites, who are fighting against the greedy leechers doesn’t help them. Noo, with those features it becomes more and more a p2p network ala Kazaa or something like that. (click here) I want your stuff, but i won’t give anything back. Give it to me , baby!
yeah right, that’s the spirit! (Not! :-/)
December 30th, 2005 at 11:59 pm
I don’t agree that private = bad.
I do agree that $ for ratio or $ for FTP access = disgusting.
December 31st, 2005 at 12:22 am
[quote="catflap"]Filesharing is free and must remain free. Trackers must remain open to all. Boycott groups that track your ratio and usage, beg for money, and require membership! Use only public, open trackers that don’t monitor your usage or ban you for low ratios; that donât beg for money; that donât require membership or an invitation.[/quote]
I belong to 2 of the sites you want to “boycott” There is a big difference between donating to keep a private site going and paying to leech, I do not believe in sites charging a fee to leech ( you know who you are).
But to say all private trackers are bad to require membership and track ratios is just the ranting of a person who can’t be bothered or is to selfish to share in a p2p community.
Catflap:
Downloaded 3.84 GB
Uploaded 124.69 MB
Ratio 0.03
How the hell do you expect p2p to function if you won’t seed back what you take???
Enjoy your public trackers and the warm glow of security you must get while connected to god knows who..
December 31st, 2005 at 1:04 am
please read my replies and followup article. THEY ARE NOT MY WORDS!
i’m tired of explaing that. that is the reason for the followup. please read it.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:07 am
please read my replies and followup article. THEY ARE NOT MY WORDS!
i’m tired of explainingg that. that is the reason for the followup. please read it.
as far as those “stats”, someone else posted those in my followup, claiming it’s me registered at araditracker. it is not me. there are plenty of catflaps out there, and some who pretend to be me. i always ONLY write my name in lower-case letters – NEVER with a capital C.
December 31st, 2005 at 2:56 am
these rules are posted in an elitist tracker and i have seen them and rules like them on others:
No requests allowed
If a file is not on XXX (here), do not ask where you can find it.
Do not ask about other torrent sites, or provide links to other torrent sites.
Do not ask for a file to be reseeded.
If you really want to find something – try Google!
****************
WOW!!! what a nice, cheerful, helpful, generous bunch! where do i sign up to be part of this great elite crowd that doesn’t help anyone but accepts money for VIP status? hmmm?
these types of rules (and very often copied verbatim) are extremely common in the elitist trackers. one would be hard-pressed to find a similar attitude on an open public tracker toward its members. just the opposite, actually.
December 31st, 2005 at 4:18 am
one of the sites on your “avoid” list, is an excellent site, paid for by 5 to 10 individual members and the owner, i have been a member of it for a long long time and am also a mod. they have never asked for money, are not elitist in ANY way, and yes they do monitor your ratio but i welcome this as when this came online early 2005 it wiped out the leechers within a couple of weeks and enabled us to keep an eye on future leechers.
they have a vast library of torrents which include many RARE but legal media items, they are also Family friendly, i.e. no Porn, rules on bad language ect ect. Many of us have become good friends and i myself have met a couple of them in person. I couldnât wish for a friendlier helpful bunch of people in the community i use,
the torrents are a side issue for our site, the community comes first.
now do us all a favour, next time your going to post paragraphs of absolute drivel, at least TRY and research all the sites on your list first, that way you may avoid p*****g off so many people who work hard for this particular site.
December 31st, 2005 at 4:19 am
p.s. you may call me locutus12
December 31st, 2005 at 6:03 am
Maybe they aren’t your words, you still use them in your petetic article (And don’t explain a word of it).
December 31st, 2005 at 6:12 am
So what do they do with people who’s ratio is too bad and they are not able to fix it ?
Ban them ALL ?
Yeah right, throw them all away. Guess where they go to ?
Yeah right, th epublic trackers. They haven’t have enough leechers already, right ?
Really, offering $ for GB is a very,very good thing. It gives members the option to stay onboard, even them with a poor line.
Those people who buy those GB’s, show they aren’t greedy, cheap Leechers.
On theother hand, this gives uploaders/seeders who DON’t donate a better situation to keep their ratio healthy. Add up the fact that this money keeps the site alive and kickin.
It’s a win,win,win situation for all. That’s how i see it, and alot with me on this great site.
December 31st, 2005 at 6:35 am
Do you believe ever thing you read on the Internet. i don’t think he can make 10,000 usd a month.
December 31st, 2005 at 6:39 am
how can the **AA do anything to a site that is outside the US?
December 31st, 2005 at 7:00 am
You lie in this article, why should anyone believe you now?
It looks to me like your a fucking leech. sucking off the bandwidth of others.
December 31st, 2005 at 7:02 am
You lie in this article, why should anyone believe you now?
It looks to me like your a fucking leech. sucking off the bandwidth of others.
December 31st, 2005 at 10:40 am
Fact!! No one is forced to pay anything at all.
TorrentLeech being the only site selling accounts(that i know of) wich i know is pure fucked up and wrong.
Pisexy and Bitsoup i am on them both pisexy dont even PM you asking for money they quite simply have the donation page and bitsoup just piss you off with PM’s but its still a nice site..No one is forced to do anything.
Also people keep throwing words around like scammers!!!! Could someone back up your very silly words with proof and more info then it sux.
Just because you get kicked of a site for probably being a leeching son of a bitch you dont need to make this.
December 31st, 2005 at 11:21 am
Quite good articcle catflap. I can’t agree more with you.
You can add TorrentLeech to that list as well.
What right have these “site administrators” got to sell users upload bandwidth?
Sickening.
December 31st, 2005 at 2:02 pm
Catflap,
What you are saying is that you report a story solely based on a couple of textfiles send to you by an anonymous source without checking any facts.
The ppl sending you those text’s have an opinion you adopted without any sort of challenge.
That is bad reporting..
You forgot the most obvious: nothing is for free, public tracker sites made their money with the ad’s implemented all over their sites, they made exessively more than any private tracker..
A public tracker logs ip’s just as any private tracker does (that is how BT works..)
VIP membership is optional, where it comes to the site i am on (pisexy) no one is offered VIP membership nor is it advertised, you can’t buy your way into the site either, open signups or closed.
2.5 % of the users is VIP.. in other words 97.5% is not VIP or 97.5% tries to keep their ratio 1:1 or higher.
There are VIP donators who seed like anyone else.
If you choose NOT to share (sharing was the whole point of your article no?) you are banned from the site.
Point being: no share, no leech. Public tracker only cares for ppl visiting their site so they make money from ads. I have no problem with that.
If you have a better plan to keep private sites private, alive (yes, servers cost money) and have a system that presses their users to keep sharing/seeding back what they take then PLEASE post it!
Don’t say something sucks but not give a solution.
December 31st, 2005 at 7:58 pm
Isnt that what we ares aying to YOU, that your story is a pack of lies, and you refuse to accept it as such.
Now, you are on the recieveing end and you want us to accept what you say.
I’ll use you the same contempt YOU display.
“I stand by the truth of what I said”
So, you are a fucking leech! How come the email looks like its yours? No, dont answer. I’m sick of your lies.
You throw shit at the P2P, expect some of it to come back in spade loads.
You dug your own grave and now you are trying to worm your way out.
For your information, I have logged ALL advertisers on your site and will be contacting them asking, no, demanding they stop supporting your site.
You must be earning a little extra each month from all these adverts, and then, those that stupidly donate to you.
OH, and I suspect that all your supporters are…. YOU. They seem to all sound the same. Thats cheating, but I expect nothing less from a loser like you.
Lets all work together to close this site down, its anti P2P and besides, this guys arse is stuck so far up the MPAA and RIAA’s collective arse that he has a brown tan now.
and you NEVER seem to answer people hard questions of you but all you vomit forth you expect us to accept as fact because, hell, you wrote it.
FUCK OFF LOSER!
close this site down. Its a waste of space.
December 31st, 2005 at 8:28 pm
i am not the owner or admin of this site. i have no control or influence as to content or advertisers. i am not paid, nor do i receive any ad revenue money.
the “Catflap” (with a BIG C) is not me. i only use lower-case letters – even when i type messages, as you can see from all of my replies here and elsewhere.
anyone can use the name of Catflap. it’s not trademarked or copyrighted. there are many others out there, and several have tried to impersonate me. nothing i can do about that.
no one forces you to come here – but elitist groups like your force people to share their bandwidth so it can be sold to VIPs. that’s sick, disgusting and illegal.
happy new year.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:08 am
Well done on winning hypocrite of the year award. By the time you wake up you should find your trophy hand delivered. Yep, bans from all those private sites you claim not to use.
Enjoy your new found freedom from ratios over at any of the public trackers you love so much
January 1st, 2006 at 5:23 am
Not as disgusting as pillocks like you running accounts down to stupidly low ratios before you get banned.
Guess all this talk of sharing is just something you heard about once. Obviously it doesn’t apply to you.
PS, you downloading copyrighted material is illegal (where you are), asking for donations isn’t. Hell, even running a tracker isn’t in most places. Want to play at cops and robbers?
January 1st, 2006 at 5:29 am
Jebus Almighty, is that really you?
The revolution awaits your return!
January 1st, 2006 at 5:33 am
If only he boycotted. Some of us have spent an hour or two forcibly evicting him.
For a boycotter he sure has a lot of accounts.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:53 am
Of course they dump logs once a day. Because advertisers will never want proof of the unique page hits will they?
For your information, a lot of private sites dump all server logs all the time. It’s a handy little thing called /dev/null, maybe you’ve heard of it.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:18 am
Oh no, it’s the slyck boys.
Might have guessed articles like this would fit with your journalistic ideals. No research, no evidence, just another moron spouting off.
I guess the hype about this bull crap is about to skyrocket now, with one site regurgitating another sites opinions as fact until everyone is so dizzy from the spin nobody cares about things like truth anymore.
Once again for anyone who doesn’t know, slyck is the hangout of techno retards. It’s been proven repeatedly by the fact that their “statements” bear no real relation to what happens in real life.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:40 pm
“get a clue it can never add up to anything other than 1:1 system wide for 1 mb to be ul’d 1 mb had to dl’d ”
What lovely reasoning. At what level did you fail mathematics?
If there was no spare ratio being introduced to the system this would be true, but seeing as this article is about paying for upload credit you must surely have spotted the magic behind it.
When somebody buys 10GB, those 10GB are not deducted from somebody elses account. They are materialized out of thin air. The number doesn’t represent anything even remotely real.
Suddenly the system is no longer 1:1 as there is more upload than download.
The same is also true of ratio cheating. Site stats can become skewed by hundreds of gigabytes over time. Yet again this means 1+:1 is more than possible.
Recently, many sites had double upload credits. Have a guess how many GBs that has added to all these private sites. This is all basic level maths, it’s not hard to work out.
Perhaps you’d like to retract the “idiot” comment you made against the other posters?
PS, I regularly “donate” many tens of megs a second in bandwidth and strangely I am not angry about the selling of upload credit. If you all want to feel angry about it while claiming you don’t use these sites, maybe you should pay for my bandwidth. Ah, thought not.
You don’t use these sites (apparently), you don’t supply the bandwidth that is “sold”, your opinions don’t count for shit.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Damn you beat me to it. Yeah so the Admins of those sites got together and spread the word, have fun on your public trackers. His next post has to be now how we’re all clambering together to create a world wide torrent domination committee now.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:33 pm
So you’ve been posting around these comments saying you don’t ACTUALLY know if there are sites that require you to pay in order to use the tracker.
So if you don’t KNOW, shut the f**k up please.
None of those sites in your boycott list requite you to pay for access. Donations keep the tracker alive. If you think the only costs involved are hosting a tracker and paying for hosting then you truly are misinformed. Until you’ve run a site, don’t condemn donations. Without them a lot of sites wouldn’t be here today.
There are very few sites where the owners’ gain personally, any excess money is put towards next months server bills or hardware upgrades.
Why on earth you think tracking a person’s ratio is a bad thing I don’t know, The reason these sites have rules is to keep only those whom share a part of the community. Public trackers are full of people that don’t bother to share.
And sharing is what it’s all about, no?:)
So basically for NO COST, you can have lightning fast downloads, pre times of under 10 minutes and a community where people that don’t share aren’t allowed to stay.
Wow, that’s awful! Please boycott these sites!
So until you come back with something sensible to say, don’t bother posting.
January 2nd, 2006 at 7:29 am
And you are plain dumb.
Yes, public trackers grow bigger very fast and create more bandwidth.
The problem is most of these people who join the public tracker give a shit about sharing. So in the end it’s a magnet for leechers, people who like to get it ALL, fast and give back as less as they possible can get away with.
DHT gives them a advantage too, but that will be over soon. More and more sites (private’s) forbid the use of Clients that won’t respect the private flag. DHT is in my mind another cheaters feature, to get more and don’t have to give back. They should shoot the person invented it
Dude, all the things you say don’t make Bittorent better, infact, most of what you say is another nail on the coffin…..
January 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 pm
” Donât give them money! Donât become a member â it only encourages them! Boycott these, and all the other, trackers and web sites which do the same! ”
And how far does your boycott extend ?
Have you actually left , or never joined these sites ?
Or are you still a member , but not active ?
Or is it more a case perhaps that you’ve fallen out with members/admin at these sites ?
Maybe it’s more the latter , which is why you’ve decided to post private sites out in the open .
Ah , the spirit of the filesharing community lives on in your heart !
Not .
January 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm
In your simple reasoning you forgot to mention that you can create GB’s by uploading new stuff.. Ratio is not based on per torrent seeding..
January 2nd, 2006 at 1:08 pm
Gerry Quinn
January 2nd, 2006 at 2:44 pm
@catflap
You are a moron to think its fair to boycot a site just because they also have VIP memberships to help the site stay on the net, its in no way required and the majority of users don’t join anyway.
Wild-Bytes in particular is a stand ip great site, anyone who would choose not to go there simply because they try and offer a little more to those that donate doesn’t deserve to be a member there anyway.
As the song says, catflap you can take your article and shove it!
January 2nd, 2006 at 3:05 pm
That’s fine by me, keep your head in that hole under the sand.
I’ve posted about 6 replies, with strong counter arguments (i think they make more sense then your babbling).
Think your too good to reply or (my no1 choice) you don’t reply because you cannot deny they are solid arguments.
Or, also likely. you are too lazy to read them all. Just as you were too lazy (or even worse: stupid) to investigate the subject thorougly before you came with your “Arti…*ugh, “Opinion”.
January 2nd, 2006 at 5:29 pm
I bet he doesnt realize that if someone puts the word out about him, it wont just be those private sites he demonizes banning him, half or more of the public sites will ban him too. Good job, enjoy your BearShare payments and Kazaa MPAA 3am raids.
January 2nd, 2006 at 6:38 pm
I didn’t say ratio is based on per torrent seeding.
Giving VIPs extra upload does not affect any single torrent.
But you do seem to be forgetting each user also has a ratio on each file.
Just because this ratio is discarded after the torrent is stopped on most sites doesn’t mean it never existed.
And no, you can’t add GBs by uploading new stuff. For any torrent to generate upload it must be downloaded by the same amount, therefore generating no change whatsoever in total ratio.
As stated, the mathematics of “total ratio can only ever be 1:1″ will only apply in a static environment. Torrent sites are not static.
January 2nd, 2006 at 6:46 pm
I think he’s actually a bot.
How many times have you seen this reply?
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hi!
i have stated here several times that i do not know of ANY BT sites that force anyone to pay anything – EXCEPT for elitist VIP memberships.
i do NOT – as already stated – know if bitsoup charges for ftp access. that is what the text says and i only pasted it in the article.
i don’t get paid here and as i’ve already stated, i have no influence of the operation of this site.
please read the messages before you comment.
and yes…it is my opinion – it is NOT labeled as a news article. but it is the same opinion of a growing number of filesharers.
KEEP P2P FREE AND OPEN TO EVERYONE!
as someone on slyck said:
“Its Peer-to-Peer – not Peer-to-Profiteer-to-Peer”.
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I’m waiting for a software upgrade to make him more intelligent and remove some of the trollishness
January 3rd, 2006 at 4:41 pm
Bye Bye ………..
You can go back to sleep now………..
It was only a bad dream…………….
So youâre Israeli……… So would you like it that we spew criticism on Jews without being informed?? Would you like it that we posted an article with completely incorrect facts just because somebody read them?
If Iâm not mistaking there are a few articles that the holocaust didn’t happen………… does that make it true?????
Stings donât it?
I’m not a nazi, I condemn what they did, but I also condemn what you are doing here.
January 3rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm
So you didn’t write this article? Crawl back to the hole that spawned you.
January 3rd, 2006 at 10:02 pm
Nice…This fag saying all this shit is from UK with his NTL cable bullshit.
January 4th, 2006 at 1:04 am
you can’t read, either. I SAID I DIDN’T WRITE THE TEXT FILES, YOU TROLL.
January 4th, 2006 at 1:08 am
i’m israeli? really? gee, i didn’t know that. it’s not what my american passport states.
January 4th, 2006 at 11:30 am
Why are some our comments being deleted by catFlap?
A few of my comments and those of Jcool are missing, and we made some GREAT counter arguments.
So this is how CatFlap wins his case, deletes the messages that are too hard to answer…
Soon as you did that CatFlap, you LOST your case, such as it was, and lost all credibilty.
This site is now ANTI P2P thanks to PissFlap and not worth bothering with. I shall reg the following domain name ASAP…
http://REALP2Pnet.net
all will be welcome, no BULLSHIT opinions and no censorship.
Kiwi1960
January 4th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
i do not operate this site. i have absolutely no control over content. i have absolutely no admin capabilities. it is impossible for me to delete any messages. i cannot even edit my own comments or articles.
i have no idea why your messages were deleted – if indeed they were. perhaps they’re in the followup article and you’re mistaken.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:11 pm
CatFlap NEEDS to answer this to retain ANY credibility with the P2P world.
Firstly, I hope you would PLEASE answer all those people that say you are WRONG about private sites. Either claim they are liars, or admit you got it wrong.
2ndly, you claim private trackers are stealing users bandwidth by selling it back to them. You want this to stop. You want a user to download what (s)he wants and then STOP the seeding.
firstly, again, you are WRONG about private trackers charging a fee for access, or even VIP access. Just WRONG.
2ndy, the entire concept of BT is about sharing. You claim private sites STEAL bandwidth. However, isnt this what YOU are advocating.
If one person uploads a torrent and seeds it, and its 1 gig big. 10 people leech that file. This means that the uploader has to provide 10 gigs of his bandwidth.
Now, those 10 complete the download, so theres now 11 seeds. One is a bastard leech and STOPS seeding. I could say this is you… maybe it is.
now lets say 20 MORE people come along and download… thats another 20 gigs, a HEAVY load for the original upoader, but with 10 seeds, each provides 2 gigs of bandwidth, which is better than ONE person providing another 20 gigs all on their own, and its going to be FASTER downloading becasue 10 people are providing the speeds of their connection.
If ONE person had to provide that entire 30 gigs and all the leechers STOPPED seeding after they finished downloading, how long do you think it will be before he gives up in disgust and NEVER uploads again?
More importantly, NO ONE would upoad if people like you are going to steal their bandwidth… right?
It will again be like days of old, where file swapping takes place, you can have my file, if I can have one of yours. No one will share for the masses if the masses are going to take advantage of the situation.
Also, to make it worse, if ratio’s were done away with you, YOU would immediately begin to leech GIGABYTES upon GIGABYTES of files while you had the chance, with no need to give anyting back, either helping to seed what you took or uploading anyting because thats what arseholes like you do, they TAKE and never GIVE.
You are demanding (wrongly) that private sites stop stealing bandwidth, but you advocate private users, like your self, stealing bandwidth from those willing to share.
You are advocating the rapid DEMISE of BTing as we know it. Is this what you really want? There will always be those, like yourself, that TAKES and never GIVES, this is why sites impose a ratio system, to make it fair for all.
Also, its NOT just the cost of a server that ALL websites face, it bandwidth. The more membership a PUBLIC site has for example, the more bandwidth is used. If you demand these sites STOP asking….. ASKING…. for donations, then the owners of these sites will have to start cutting back services. The first thing to go would be a sites FORUMS, therefore, you advocate destroying a sites community.
As you are a person that TAKES and never GIVES, then you wouldnt care about the loss of a comnunity, as long as you had access to the tracker right? Most of us think the commuinity is a VITAL part of any site.
Your lack of knowledge on matters about LOKI and how BT sites work for example, means I doubt you are quallified to write for a P2P site, let alone voice an opinion.
Your opinion was badlty thought out, poorly presented and lacked balance, and lacked facts to prove your case.
It came across as “ME ME ME” and thats all you care about, yourself, you do not care about the BT world, and your agenda came through loud and clear…
you want Bt sites to STOP locking your account for leeching and not giviong anything back.
You want the BT sites to NOT ask for donations, which is a smioke screen for what you really want.
You want private BT sites to account for all donations but ignore the fact that MOST Bt sites, PUBLIC and private REQUEST donations. Most do not demand them, and NO ONE gets special treatment if they do make a donation.
This site is ELITIST because one of the adverts, BEARSHARE, wants people to pay $3.95 a month to use its BT client, whereas AZUREUS is free. How can the owners of this site allow you to ost such an opinion while it is a party to a SCAM of this sort??? using BEARSHARE isnt going to give you any advantage speed wise, although it claims it is faster.
Anyone posting an opinion, myself included, should be prepared to DEFEND that opinion, and this I am willng to do, but YOU refuse to debate anything, you are NOT willing to defend your substandard opinion and fob people off by telling to RE-READ THE ARTICLE, calling them TROLLS or just ignorng them.
Your credibility is on the line here, as is the credibility of the entire P2Pnet.net website.
You posted an opinion, the people knocked it back, they deserve an answer to all the valid arguments to your crappy opinion or what are yu saying…
“its my opinion, I dont give a flying fuck about your pnion, you are wrong, I am right, so agree with me or fuck off”
is that what you are saying??????????????
If it is, then say so, and we will all gladly FUCK OFF and never cme back to this site…
If its not, then GIVE the answers people DESERVE!
Or do you not respect the people that vsiit this site?
To the owners on P2Pnet.net, I would say this. CATFLAP has proven himself to be a moron on the TRUE logic behind BTing, and he appears to have a hidden agenda. I for one will not respect this site till he RETRACTS his “opinion” and apologises, or he DEFENDS his opinion by answering is critics.
BUT… no matter what he now does, he must be dumped from this site. Just read all the comments to his “opinion” and you will see that he is NOT qualified, or trusted, to be here any longer.
CATFLAP, dont ignore this. It appears there are MANY people wanting to OUT your real name so you can be BANNED from as many sites as possible becasue you have INSULTED the entire BT world and those that know, REALLY, what BTing is all about.
Face it, either defend your opinion or leave this site, NO ONE wants you in the BT community anymore. God forbid someone actualy finds out who you are, because you wont be welcome on any other BT site for as long as you live.
nuff said
Kiwi1960
January 5th, 2006 at 12:17 am
Wow, someone is jelous of elite sites..
Now lets see, if you go to a public tracker and download movie A snatched 100 times with 10 seeds remaining, it will probably take quite a few days, that is if you are lucky enough to get 100% before all the seeds leave.
If you go to an elite site and download movie A with 100 snatch, then the 60-70 seeds will result in download taking hours instead of days. Also, torrents with leaches are almost never abandoned.
Most elite sites offer VIP as voluntary (Pisexy), and to help the downloaders that cannot help others with their bandwidth.
January 5th, 2006 at 4:35 am
Well, we Trolls should do something about this catflap debacle. Perhaps to get the attention of the Site Admins here, we could all go back to our own Elitist Sites and put in a post for ALL members to Spam this site until they wake up and listen! Lets see…4 sites I Staff at with membership at about 50000 give or take…so 200000 members, and if ONLY half of them take the time to post here…and this is only ME…I think we should be able to make some noise, what say you fellow Trolls???
January 5th, 2006 at 6:21 am
I say you are nothing but a troll, and you should maybe let you mother change you, cos you stink.
I asked some valid quetions, as did others, and we deserve a decent answer, that is, if CatFlap has ANY intention to ever defend his opinion.
To have you come along and say what you did is beneath contempt. maybe you are CatFlap trying to muddy the waters again as he has from day one with his silly opinion.
Someone as dishonest and ill informed as CatFlap is capable of anything.
Now, run along child, let CatFlap answer the questions.
January 6th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
Thats what I said, more or less.
But CatFlap is refusing to answer.
He has now lost all credibility with the P2P community…
and so has this site. I wont be back.
kiwi1960
January 8th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
How absolutly absurd!!!! Sites like Bitsoup.org ask not demand (pisexy…eh cant say the same for them…) that you help to cover there server costs. As well as hey if they have the bandwith to sell access to an ftp let em! It’s YOU that make that final desision! and obviously if 10’s of thousands of members decide that they want to help out and get something for it instead of just a Thanks pm… A boost to your ratio is welcome in my humble opnion!!! I feel that the users that make posts like that inside there releases are jelous idiots. There are many great members at all of these sites, You dont like it? Start your own!!!!
January 9th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
he catflap…
alot of private trackers don’t have any logs… atleast the smart ones..
Stupid article btw…
January 10th, 2006 at 9:47 am
I think you mean keep file sharing free for leechers such as yourself
January 10th, 2006 at 9:49 am
Dont try to deflect or change the subject you rat
January 10th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Wow.. You really know what you`re talking about, don`t you? Private sites don`t keep track of your ratio through your IP, they do it by passkey. How else can you seed or leech from different locations on only 1 account? Can we say Duh..? Second, on (most) public trackers, at least you know you`ll be able to complete the download, whereas that certainty isn`t there on public trackers. (And.. Public trackers.. Did you ever see those ads? Don`t you think that`ll attract a lot more attention?) Only when you are banned, the IP is banned, specifically or by range. Much like the blocklists out there. Also, on the private trackers, you`ll won`t run into the RIAA or MPAA. Last but not least: some private trackers generate costs upto and beyond $4000.00 each month. Try paying for that without donations. (and you even dare to say this textfile was included by the releasegroup itself. Do your freakin` research, “dude”..)
January 10th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Dont lower your self to ratflap’s level
January 16th, 2006 at 1:35 am
What costs $4000/month?
A typical site like torrentbytes which has 2 servers to handle 50,000 members only costs in the range of $300USD/month.
Torrent sites don’t use much bandwidth at all.
January 16th, 2006 at 1:41 am
Even if PiSucks made money off the scaming, doesn’t mean the other sites listed do. How can you group private sites all into one? Thats just stupidity…
Wild-bytes you meantion is a great site, they don’t sell gigs, thats just retarded non-sense from people like crapflap that don’t bother to check it out before spewing bullshit.
They have a VIP status for partisipating in the contests, where users win prizes, its not selling gigs, and VIP get nothing special from the site, no fixed rations, nothing of that kind.
Check it out before spreading rumors, most of the other sites are the same way…
January 16th, 2006 at 1:45 am
rofl wild bytes had nothing to do with the text files going around, thatâs hilarious, you need to find a new source for your âinside informationâ lol cause you got jipped there
January 16th, 2006 at 1:48 am
tru that! therm rox my sox!
January 16th, 2006 at 1:49 am
no u don’t, i know some of them personally, that smell is the sewage in your mouth atm.
January 16th, 2006 at 2:18 am
“I have it on good authority that those text files about PiSexy came from a few disguntled dvd-core newsgroup users (egged on by some of the administration of Wild-Bytes.org, mainly Goliath2k and Therm)”. ……these are your words….what are you even trying to accomplish here??..do you realize how self serving this load of tripe is??..first you state you have it on good authority…what ever that is suppose to mean..and never give any names ..let alone viable proof…smells like a septic bed to me….then..you have the gall to name a specific site and people there it would seem..for what??…you…whoever you are…need a reality check and a trip out behind the woodshed for attempting to create a mess for someplace/somepeople who you obviously have something stuck up your behind about..i pity you and the sorryful existance you must llive….
January 16th, 2006 at 3:27 am
“I have it on good authority that those text files about PiSexy came from a few disguntled dvd-core newsgroup users (egged on by some of the administration of Wild-Bytes.org, mainly Goliath2k and Therm)”.
Well Evilchick, yea i know that’s you.
So everyone knows. i am G2k. And i’m one of the sysops on Wild-Bytes.
i don’t need to hide my name like most of you from pihole. also.. Catflap is one of many maxtheslient’s alter ego’s. funny how pisexy was never listed in his “bycotted” list. what a joke this is really some of you really need to get a life outside of the internet.
pisexy has gone down the toilet since he was made admin. and like i’ve said to many people. I should’ve just banned your ass when i was still Admin there with Yalla and XtrustX.
But then i wouldn’t be where i am now. Kinda gald that happened.
anyway. Myself or Therm, have NO CONNECTIONS with the scene what so ever. so where ever your getting your information from EC they’re full of shit just like you, max and pimpie and most other staff over there. There’s only 2 i talk to from pihole that seem to have a clue.
And to this date you are no longer staff there. And i am not banned, if that’s what max and pimpie thinks, think again. i have a few accounts there. and can easily get more if need be.
To even say that myself or anyone at Wb are putting these txt files or what ever the hell they are into releases without hard proof.. makes you look more stupid then what i thought you were.
No one at Wb needs to put those into anything. Pihole is digging it’s own hole. They don’t need any help. But my honest opinion… anything that will help shut down that god damn site the better.
Pimpie has bragged many times how much he has made off that site. Hell he even took a trip to hawaii FFS.
The Staff of Pi get paid. i don’t know many other sites where staff gets paid.
I’ve been doing “warez” for a longtime. back when warez was on http sites. and i was admin on one of those Called WarezStation.
Back then and even to this day, Warez is meant to be free.
It was never been about making a profit, EVER. Suppose to be for fun and meeting people and learning new things along the way, but never for profit.
People over the years have gotten greedy. and those who are not smart enough to find it other ways are stupid enough to pay for access to some torrent sites that provide access to ftp servers, $$ for gigs and so on.
torrent sites are not cheap to run. Depending on the setup. some even have seed servers for the uppers to use, and those are pricey as well. 300+ euros or so. so convert that to US dollors or even Cdn. not cheap at all.
Wild-bytes has drawings for people to win things. they buy tickets, they get a ticket(s) into the drawing for what ever, PLUS vip status for a length of time. We even have a VIP tracker where they can download from where they’re downloads DO NOT count against them, but any uploading does.
Plus they get a hidden ip of 127.*.* and they’re ip’s are not logged. Same with out uploaders and staff.
So by the time we pay for server costs, and stuff for drawings and such. if we have a profit in the end, thats great, it’s less that we have to worry about next month when the server bill comes in.
So.. Unless you have some kinda proof that WB has anything to do with this.. shut the hell up, and go back to pihole, and live in your little dream world or what ever you want to call it.
And remember, if you have connection problems on Wb. Pm Stewie. haha.. sorry stewie.. had to do it. *inside joke* LOL
January 16th, 2006 at 5:30 am
Hi All,
I’m a Sysop @ Wild-Bytes
Not sure exactly how Wild-Bytes.org got pulled in to this crap except for the the fact that we were listed on some retard’s (with a personal agenda) “boycott” list .
Which it sounds like he was one of the users (read losers) that we probably got rid of because he did not understand the basic concept of P2P …that is sharing and not just being a blood sucking leech.
Anyway gonna try and address a few of these fine points made by the poster of this topic/reply that I’m answering.
Well… not sure where/who your “good Authority” is but they are blowing smoke up your ass because we (Wild-Bytes) dont have to egg anybody on to put txt files in the uploads to ridicule or put down the practices of other sites….But if we agree we damn sure aren’t gonna tell them to stop. (and we might just hit “their” donate button if we agree a whole lot and if we knew who they were).
And it is real odd that I read a post in another site’s vip forum that exactly mirrored the wording in this commentary here (verbatim), it seemed to be written by a very Evil Chick or dude that was once a mod at Wild-Bytes that was canned for constantly causing confusion.
Quote
“The text are being inserted before being posted to that newsgroup by users that have been banned from PiSexy for abuse, cheating, disrepect or just plain low ratio.”
In regards to the quote above all I have to say is that the people at Wild-Bytes that came from PiSexy were either Admins,Moderators or Trusted Uploaders that got fed up with the way the site was going more toward a “pay for gigs” and a MAX-imum “Gestapo” mentality toward its members than being a P2P “sharing” community and decided to Stay P2P Community instead of a pay site.
I have read through most of this story and find that there are some legitimate issues about private versus public trackers
in that it is a situation of “to each his own” as both have thier pros and cons and I can well understand the frustration that the “scene” groups are going through….but to blame torrents as the sole or major cause of the woes that beset the groups is very much like saying : which is the best scape goat to blame?
There were other P2P ways of sharing before torrents came along and believe it or not they are still here. And Yes there are some site owners that are there “for the buck” but the better part of the private trackers are still there for simple sharing
And yes it does take a good bit of money to support a well supplied tracker with servers and most all net sites (if not all) have a donation button (including p2pnet.net) or what I call a click and get paid setup, and most sites do have a way of recognizing the ones who donate to help support it by either a Shiny golden star to special forums where they can feel special and recognized…. does that make them a pay for gigs site? I dont think so .
Wild-Bytes had a member that did try and sell gigs behind closed doors to members and when it came out he was banned from our site and his name passed around to some other site owners that feel the same as we do ……simply because it goes against the concept of P2P.
And Common Sense fell out the window for some peeps
Have a good Day and may all your ups be fast and error free and all your downloads be fast also
BTW: Flame on because the truth will stand even if the earth burns up
January 17th, 2006 at 11:34 pm
I have just spent the last 6 hours attempting to find an open/public/unlogged tracker with which I can move some data through to a couple of friends. so far, out of a listing of 600 )behive and others) I have found NOT ONE that I can use.
Does anyone happen to have an open tracker that I can use that works?????
e-mail me: technomage.hawke@gmail.com
HELP!
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:26 pm
The above post needs to be removed asap. Posting people ip’s is a no no .
Then trying to cause trouble between sites is also not good.
Can a site admin please delete this thread.
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:36 pm
The actions taken by this person are not on..
Fall out with people by all means but dont go around posting people’s ip’s. Thats going too far. If you have a problem with the site tell us why dont do things like this. They need removing from the site. Ip’s should never be left up on any chat board. The quicker they are removed the better…
Demonchild…….
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:45 pm
Despite the fact i dont agree with the author of the original post, i have no respect for anyone posting someone’s ip here
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:51 pm
this is absolutly wrong. As much as i do not like most of the staff on pi, i would never post the ips if i had them. i also know one of the people that are listed on this list.
anyone to post ips at anytime is just wrong. this needs to be removed asap. and the person’s ip that posted this banned from here.
We at Wb. do not condone of this at anytime. Who ever posted this has nothing to do with Wb. i want to make that quite clear.
Goliath2k
Sysop @ Wild-bytes
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:56 pm
You better stop using BitTorrent altogether mate.. or havent u noticed the popup ads when u visit ur favorite public ‘free’ tracker?
U think the site ur writing on now is free? look on the left, right and up side of the page..
January 22nd, 2006 at 6:06 pm
PiSexy fraudulent? care to explain? Or did u ‘hear it from a respectable source’ like catflap?.. pfft..
January 22nd, 2006 at 6:12 pm
No, PiSexy is nothing like bitsoup, they never spam for donations, you are absolutely right. PiSexy doesnt advertise it either, want to buy GBs? You get a msg back to try and rebuild ratio with a lot of helpfull info..
January 22nd, 2006 at 6:55 pm
deleted – wrong person.
Cheers!
Jon
January 22nd, 2006 at 7:58 pm
[quote]So everyone knows. i am G2k. And i’m one of the sysops on Wild-Bytes.
i don’t need to hide my name like most of you from pihole. also.. Catflap is one of many maxtheslient’s alter ego’s. funny how pisexy was never listed in his “bycotted” list. what a joke this is really some of you really need to get a life outside of the internet.[/quote]
Well G2k, since ur so nice calling pisexy pihole, lets call wild-bytes Wild-Shytes from now on.
All this work u do for free, and even have time to write a msg like this too? Wow, man ur like Robin Hood
(or maybe just a Commy eh?) still can’t get over the fact u got the boot somewhere a long time ago, how pathetic..
How bout u getting a life eh buddy?
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 pm
VIPs on Wild-Bytes get nothing but their own private tracker where all the microsoft stuff lives. (The XBox stuff is still on the main tracker though)
Make a donation, and your downloads dont count on the private Wild-Bytes tracker but your uploads do count. Same thing as buying gigs. Just because its hidden from the casual user doesnt mean it isn’t happening.
What they don’t say is that they sell 7000 1.00 tickets, then giveaway 3 – $400.00 prizes and they pocket the other $5800.00. Talk about scams…
(Yes I am a VIP on Wild-Bytes)
January 26th, 2006 at 6:48 pm
Max is a twat, and viewed as a twat by most the community in general (both within and without Pisexy)
Whatever he says carries no weight and should just be ignored tbh.
January 28th, 2006 at 2:26 am
Why have these users IP’s posted here? What purpose do you prove to result from this?
February 16th, 2006 at 10:01 pm
Well…. i was on wild-bytes and was an uploader with a share ratio of over 3.0 with over 1TB uploaded in about 4 months…
i simply stopped seeding a small psp file cuz there were no more damn leechers and the torrent was pretty much dead…
i never got a warning just disabled my account….
so you say sharing and not being a blood sucking leech is what you look for?
well.. then what about a ratio of 3.0 with 1tb uploaded ???
then you delete me cuz i didnt share a 100mb file to the full 1.0?
completly dickheaded! get over your power hungy bullshit… i was on your site to help out , i certainly didnt need you… but it was nice to share. fuck torrents FTP old school is really the way to go but i forgot you wankers dont have such access thats why you use gay ass torrents!
long live the true scene…. fuck p2p you make what we have worked so hard for vunerable.
February 18th, 2006 at 4:42 am
I suggest you forget about ever getting on any sites now or in the future… you just slit your own throat idiot. We just all decided to boycott you!
March 23rd, 2006 at 6:33 pm
can you help me im a vip and cant get on my account has been disabled for some reason
May 5th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Haha uve never seen the site really then. Or the fact that we only just get enough donations to cover the cost of the prize and the server.
And if having your own tracker where you can upload anything you like in any format as well as leeching for free on there and the chance of winning a cash prize + the vip seeding bonus you get isnt enough for you then maybe you should move to anoter site where all u will get is a star next to your name and nothing else.
Man people really should look into what they say before opening there mouths . Talk about making themsleves look like fool’s.
I suggest you go back to the site you came from and help the sysop of there by there new house ..
May 17th, 2006 at 9:06 am
You are loser and idiot some of owner dont let you go on site and you made some list of them !
All this site is good and great !
I’m proud member of all this sites !
(And for your knowlege “I’m only member” and all people are respected same on this site’s !
Sometimes community need secure from members like you and commpany like RIAA & MPAA !
Friendly
Scream like girl with stolen toys ! ! !
May 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
how is that a scam dumbass? you pay $1 only to win a prize worth $400.. do the freakin math… yes, they profit from it.. but who doesn’t profit from things nowadays.. the world is just one big attempt to somehow turn a profit….
quit bitchin and moaning.. if you don’t like it, don’t pay your $1 and try to win….
June 1st, 2006 at 4:39 pm
These are the best sites, it encourages community and sharing. So nice try, no boycott here.
June 5th, 2006 at 2:14 pm
Centurion Underground WAS a scam.Not anymore.They had a big donations push last year.I guess they did pretty well because they took the money and bailed last month.Just pulled a Loki on their donators and disapeared.
Lot’s of people got screwed.
June 5th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
Centurion skipped out with the donations last month.See the previous post
July 7th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
July 7th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
Yay I am famous, someone loves they really do love me. So what do we have here, oh a little baby bitching that his ass got banned. If your ass didnt whine here , and you came to IRC. Maybe we could have talked and worked something out.
The fact is if you received a message from me bout cheating, I made damn sure it was right,if you werent cheating, you wouldnt gotten a message from me. Whoever you are Mr Brave anoymous person grow some balls and stop whining like a little girl.
July 7th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
Wild-Bytes, stewie loves cunt
July 22nd, 2006 at 1:10 pm
http://seba14.wordpress.com/2006/07/08/
August 4th, 2006 at 5:49 am
I’m trying to contact any of the staff at Wild-Bytes.org.
They have banned Az and As I was only trying to move my torrents from Az ot another client I got banned.
Please.
Thanks in advance
August 4th, 2006 at 6:04 am
Goliath2k I’m known as heartburn on wb. Please contact me…
September 14th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
WOW!! This post just confirms my impression of what a sh*tty attitude the pious peons at wild-bytes have!! (”Nothing to see here. Now get lost.”) Where do these rude idiots with a rotten attitude come from? Plus, did they ever go to school and learn basic grammar and clear and concise sentence construction?? Look at this non-stop run-on-sentences of verbal diarrhea, can’t even spell “their” properly ….in other words, a total loser and buffoon with a thoroughly rotten attitude, yet all the while quick to insult others. Cripes, the biggest corporate thieves have a more polite attitude than buffoons like this!!!
September 15th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
WILD IS A GOOD SITE UNLESS YOU GET BANNED. CANNOT THEN CONTACT THEM FOR ANY INFO ON WHY.
October 8th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
I just got banned from WB for “using ratio master”, when in fact, I wasn’t. I think WB has a few issues with their setup or server, because it seems like many people are getting banned from WB for no legitimate reason. I had over a terabyte of upload (thank God for Comcast Business Cable), and I got banned for using ratio master. Ugh
December 8th, 2006 at 11:58 pm
wild-bytes.org fucken sucks
February 22nd, 2007 at 8:22 pm
actually a correction to this, there was like only 2 people that screwed all the members which was gary who was the owner of the site and his close friend which i believ she was called lapcat.
gary kept giving BS about new servers and that he was buying new ones for all the members to enjoy which never happened, and on several occasions there were upgrades which never happened and all the technical jargon that he claimed he was doing was either done already and just twisted to sound good, or was done by several staff members.
in the end of it all a few staff quite over the fact that gary was still doing some major BS and never would admit to what was happening, then the ones that actually were still doing hard coding for him he simply got ri of.
im a member of WB and i cant see anything wrong with it and have been a member for just over 84 weeks. i have not once paid any donation or speed adjustment to them and they have never pestered me.
March 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Freedom of choice to chooe to donate or pay money.
Private sites are safer than public trackers FACT, if people want to pay to web sites that they download that’s there choice but don’t go asking for anti-piracy groups to shutdown them down.
You say use public trackers and free sharing but there are so many leechers out there that rules must be put forward if there wasn’t private sites the would just be 70% leechers and the bittorrent trackers would be ruined becuase of people using cheating methods in order to get 1st proty on downloads.
Let people do what they like, if they make a mistake (I.E give money) that’s there problem not yours and don’t promote the RIAA and MPAA to shutdown web sites so we can be forced to go on public trackers to be raped by IP tracking anti-piracy bots.
April 10th, 2007 at 4:49 am
This whole thing is quite infuriating from my eyes.
I have seen the coing from both sides. Ive admined on a public tracker, and I have moderated on a private tracker. Private trackers are not “elitist” they will generally accept anyone who is prepared to pull their weight. Any tracker who kicks out someone for having a good ratio in my opinion deserves what they get. Sure there is an element of difficulty to enter them, as they want to control numbers, and whether invites is an ideal mechanism is debatable.
With regard to donations, I personally dont like the fact that it is done. I also dont like ads that much either. The day that adverts were added to the public tracker I helped nurture was a horrible day for me. And the same goes for any private site.
Now I dont mind putting money into services that i use, for maintenance costs etc, I have put a lot of my own hard earned cash into things. However there is a limitation. Server costs are very expensive. The fact that you can stand here and imply that admins can afford it only implies that you have never tried to run a tracker and have no idea of the resources required. Eztv torrents (i dont have anything to do with their admin but im citing them as an example) can quite easilly generate 8-9mbps of traffic on ONE torrent. The associated server requirements for databases and alike are significant. My point? It costs money – lots of it. Yes you can get cheap servers which have little DDoS mitigation and perhaps 1TB/month transfer for around $150. However a busy site will soon go over those requirements, and no person would tollerate persistant time outs. So, you upgrade, you buy more bandwidth. All costs money. If you don’t believe that the costs could run so high, look into it for yourself.
For most people, $150 per month is a lot of money to take on and when you get your ideas that most sites are going to have to plough in several times (possibly 10 times) that amount to get a reliable service, you can quickly see that unless you are the CEO of Microsoft inc, you aren’t going to be able to source it. Even Ads wont cut it. (click through on most ads is only a couple of cents, you do the math).
So where does the excess come from? Thin air? perhaps someone has a money tree? Donations are the only plausable solution. On sites which are not subscription based, I don’t think it is unreasonable to reward people who donate, seeing as without it, the site wouldn’t exist.
Now in the case of Loke, I agree that was tragic. The fact that an admin would deem it appropriate to walk off with those sorts of funds is terrible, and brings a bad name on all sharers. However to suggest that all admins would do the same is callous and shows an inappropriate grasp of the situation. Most of the sites you have mentioned in your article never demand payment. It isn’t a prerequisite, and I would hope it never becomes so. IF it WERE, then I would support your point, but the Apache foundation asks for donations for Open Source technology. As do SourceForge for their requirements. You posted a topic on a public forum that also asks for money through donations through a recurring function. Sure you have posted previously that you have no problem with public trackers asking for donations. My point is why the distinction? You dont know their admins any more than you know the private ones. Who is to say that the admins at TPB are more trustworthy than the ones at TB or ST or any of the other sites that ask for money? your post stinks of lechery. I am forced to wonder if you have in fact been booted from one…
July 26th, 2007 at 6:33 am
Been reading through, and seriously get a grip, money makes the world go round and if thy ask for donations for privledges all good, i think they call it marketing. now if they get busted and they have to cooperate with the authoritys and hand over thier info, seriously what did u expect, for them to make it dissapear before they got through the door, because im 100% certain if they wanted that info they would get it. if what u are doing is illegal dont do it, but if u are willing to cross that line its your choice. they arent making you use thier sites, do i fear getting court ( i have been once ) however im pretty sure it is what u say at that time. as in hmmm it wasnt me. if ur isp handed over that information another one would refuse to and everyone would move to them, so u see they too just want ur money, i think the person that started this debate is argumentative, and is feeling left out in some way. boil it down we have a choice now downloading for free rather than supporting the industry that brings it to u, well if u cant see that is wrong then ur an idiot, so no we are the criminals not the private torrent sites, public sites are much safer lol ur off ur head, have u seen some of the shit u pick up from them places, password this and that. blatantly incorrect files. so i ask you. if u are so anti private trackers who ask for donations whats the alternative, some p2pnetwork lol what happened to winmx, shut down why coz he couldnt be arsed to do it no more, donations is a way of making them people stay arsed, if he had picked up 40k a month winmx would still be going. HOWEVER EXPECTING SOMEONE, RATHER THAN A MATE OR FAMILY TO STAY QUIET FOR U WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN IS STUPID, THESE PEOPLE DONT KNOW U, ITS NOT LIKE THE ARE DOBBING U IN AS SUCH, TO THEM U ARE JUST NUMBERS 6MONTHS LESS IF THEY HAND OVER, NO EXPECT THEM TO TELL THE TRUTH, AND IF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM BLAMES THE USER AS MUCH AS THE PROVIDER, CHANGE UR VOTE. download u mugs and be happy today u joined the criminal world.
September 7th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
hi i have my account at ST disabled? is there anyway for my account to be enabled again?
December 28th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
1:1 ratio = Torrent NEVER DIES
Thats got to be good.
all trackers will have logs of your ip, if they know theyre rights and more importantly your rights, they dont have to give anything reveling up.