The new Net scourge: II
p2p news / p2pnet: It seems I’ve hit a very tender nerve with my last article. I’ve read most of the replies so far, and have also posted replies to some of them. This discussion’s been getting a lot of action on several other sites as well.
That’s good because filesharers – the honest ones (and unfortunately gullible ones) – need to wake up to this new wave of scams.
I’m not about to retract my opinion, and I’m following up for one reason only: to clear a few things up because a lot of people are either not understanding what I wrote, or couldn’t be bothered to read my replies to some of the comments here and elsewhere.
First of all, it’s not labeled as “News”. It’s my opinion.
Regarding the two text files quoted in my article: I received them in a download of a film released by a group in the scene. I don’t know who wrote them, but many people seem to believe they’re my words, and attribute them to me. They are not my words!
I (and many, many others) are against these elitist so-called private, closed/invitation only trackers because they require registration, AND limit memberships, AND track ratios, AND beg for money, AND sell VIP memberships, AND do not publicly account for every cent they receive, showing exactly what their costs are and exactly where the money went. Not “OR”, but “AND”. There’s a big difference, and some people are misinterpreting me. These sites are the demented little brothers and sisters – the skeletons in the P2P family closet – which no one likes to talk about.
I don’t know of any BT sites that demand or require payments for torrent file access (other than for VIP memberships, no waiting times, and/or gigabyte credits), and I have never claimed that there are any. I’ve had to clarify that several times in my replies because some people are not reading or understanding what I wrote.
There are also open trackers that ask for money, but again, for the most part, they don’t publicly show their full accounts. I AM NOT against open trackers or listing websites asking for donations, for example pbay, mininova, newnova. I would just really like to see proof of what they do with all of the money they receive.
Without verifiable documentation of who’s getting the money and where it’s going, any figures that are posted by open or elitist trackers are worthless. These figures are usually posted (if they’re posted at all) in very small fonts, way up in a corner someplace where they’ll hardly be noticed. They can’t be verified, so no one – not even the donors – have a clue as to what the money is really being used for.
Don’t forget about Loki. He promised an open accounting of his books, but he never delivered anything other than a few unverifiable figures.
With more than US$40,000.00 in his pocket (most of which he said was to be used for legal expenses – hah hah!) he scammed everyone. Legal expenses? What legal expenses? He never proved it, as far as I remember. He just took the money. But at least his trackers were open to all.
I understand that server costs can become expensive, but that’s the risk one takes when one decides to open a tracker. I’ve always wanted to run my own open, public tracker, but I know I couldn’t afford to do it even on a small scale. And I would never, ever solicit donations or offer stupid elitist VIP memberships. Besides making me look greedy, I’d be attracting a ton of unwanted attention from the cartels.
And do you think they don’t know the names of the closed elitist trackers? Of course they do.
There are also some trackers which host illegal game servers and/or stream movies to members who have paid for VIP treatment. This is theft. It’s accepting payment for a service that must remain free – although streaming movies is a very dangerous and stupid thing to do anyway.
Donating time and help is one thing. Donating money to the elitist groups is another. And accepting that money is piracy and only gives more ammunition to the cartels for lamescream headlines proclaiming that all filesharers are pirates and earn money from it.
Some readers might remember me from the early Grokster and FTC/FTM forums. And some might know me from some current BT-based message boards. I’ve put in a lot of time and effort helping people at these places, and I’ve also received excellent help from other members there. I’ve seeded my own files, and I’ve reseeded them from time to time on request. No one can say I don’t value the sense of community and helpfulness that is a major part of filesharing. And no one can say I don’t contribute. But I have never asked for, or received, any money in return for giving assistance or seeding a file.
I can see a lot of people feel as strongly as I do on this subject. And I can also see that the majority of people here and elsewhere agree with me.
I also understand and respect the opinions of people who disagree with me. But it doesn’t make them right. 
Charity, helpfulness, sharing for free. That’s what p2p used to be all about. But ever since KaZaA introduced user ratings and banning technology for low-rated users, all that has changed.
These groups don’t seem to understand that even if they have 1,000 seeds on a file, it doesn’t guarantee a fast speed, which is what they promote. If all (or even a slight majority) of the 1,000 seeds were only uploading at their lowest possible rate, and there were several hundred or thousands of downloaders, the speed would be very slow, probably much slower than on open trackers with fewer seeds for the same file.
They also don’t seem to understand that allowing everyone and anyone open access to everything will bring in a lot more people, which actually will keep files alive longer and downloads faster. By restricting access to members only, these groups are also losing out on more sharing potential. But it’s the owners’ responsibility to pay for it – no one else’s.
P2p is meant to be free to all who want it. When money changes hands, it’s not a community anymore – it’s a business. Again, I’m referring to the elitist, closed trackers, and not to open trackers. Let the cartels try and use BitTorrent technology for their own worthless fee-based p2p services. We, as free filesharers – the true p2pers of the world – are better than that and will prove it when the cartels’ efforts fail. We’re better than them, so let’s show it!
I’m very glad this discussion has opened a lot of peoples’ eyes. I can’t say I haven’t learned a few things myself, but it doesn’t change my opinion. P2p must remain free. Boycott the elitists! When they get threatened with lawsuits, they’ll be begging for even more help from even more suckers!
Instead of feeding their greedy mouths, give that donation to Ms. Santangelo, or Alex Hanff, or Bairdoid or any of the many others who are fighting for your rights! These are the people who are fighting the good fight and deserve your help, because whatever the outcomes of their separate court cases are, they will have a direct effect on filesharing everywhere!
catflap - p2pnet
December 30th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
You were entirely right in your previous article, and you’re right in this one. It was a great one. I agree completely with you. I just didn’t reply to that one since so many others did, it probably wouldn’t be read.
Great job.
December 30th, 2005 at 6:18 pm
I totally disagree. You are obviously only members of the the few trackers that claim to be private yet are publically known.
I run a tracker, the users provide the files. The speeds are much better than on any other public site that i’ve seen. The ratio system helps keep those who want to contribute to the community and not just take.
We don’t force people to donate, we don’t pocket funds ourselves. All donations are displayed on site. The server costs are very low, and are usually provided via a few small dontions from user who enjoy using the site. We don’t sell for gigs, we dont modify or reset ratios. They get a star as an appreciation.
Its the odd few “private” trackers that your referring too that give other good community based private trackers bad names.
Quite honestly we dont care about your opinion, you stick to your public trackers. Get poor speeds. Enjoy life in the slow lane with the rest of the leechers.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:15 pm
First of all, why be a member of a tracker at all? I grab my torrents from Torrentspy and isoHunt. They usually max out my connection (262KB/s), and they’re always from public trackers. I get better speeds than on private trackers. (I used to be in FileList, until I got disgusted with it’s bandwidth sale.)
Your site doesn’t sound all bad, concidering, as you say you don’t sell users’ own bandwidth to them. I’m fine with plain donations, but just like catflap, I don’t like sites that sell their users’ bandwidth.
And if you don’t care about our opinion, why do you read and reply to it?
December 30th, 2005 at 9:50 pm
You boycotted Araditracker…funny, there is one member who strangely has your user name.
User Catflap
Email emailedited@safe-mail.net
Last IP 81.XXX.XX.XX
Rank
Shitlisted
Joined on 29/07/2005 13:41:52
Last access 30/12/2005 17:39:19
Country United States of America United
Downloaded 3.84 GB
Uploaded 124.69 MB
Ratio 0.03
WOW!!!! No wonder you have a grudge against Private Sites! You don’t like to share, they boot you, you write a pissant story about the horrors of the Private Tracker. While I do not agree with some sites and their poor judgement in how the go about collecting donations, you can not lump all Private Sites together. Your paranoia prevents you from investigating a little deeper, you instead choose to rely on hear-say and second hand knowledge for your argument.
I have read about 90% of the replys in your previous submission, and can find no supporters for your cause. You state that you know “Owners” of public sites, ask them how much the cost of running a tracker is. Ask them how they receive funds to keep it running. Its good to see you boycott Private Sites…I’m going to go back to the “Elitist Sites” I belong to and enjoy my virus free, fast speeds.
The MPAA and RIAA have a short reach. While your Country has decreed that filesharing is illegal, mine has not, your Country has no jurisdiction in mine. You can have your Public Sites. You are misguided about what information is collected on them, think twice, and don’t be so naive. I take comfort knowing my information is secure.
December 30th, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Well, It’s about what do you hate more, those leechers who only download and do not upload or the private sites. Personally if some tracker doesn’t require you to pay money and there are safeguards against leechers in place I’m okay with that.
Why are you against private sites??? These bring quality and the most dedicated seeders and communities. Of course you’ll get something if you donate, sometimes a nice star behind your name or a gig. But that’s because you support the community not because you’re letting them make any profit. Most private sites have the most dedicated and trustworthy people as admins, you can talk to them ask them stuff etc.
Let’s not forget Lokitorrent was an public!!! torrent site. I think if some torrent sites make any profit it’s the ones with those huge amounts of ads. And maybe they should make a bit of profit just to pay back all those hours they put into making such an site.
Of course, paid p2p is something that should be outlawed. You should never ask for an entrance fee or arrange for streaming media VIP arrangements etc. But respectable private (btw what’s private? anyone can get in….) don’t do that, they only ask if you would like to donate if you like the site. Also there are actually private sites who do post all their info about donations and what they spend on hardware etc..
And maybe the p2p world is about sharing but that doesn’t mean hosting companies share for free..
In your previous article you also noted bitmetv.org and supertorrent as the evil private trackers…. I just really wan’t to know why.. As a member of both of them and never ever having to pay anything and having just as much options as any other user I can’t see why they are so evil
December 30th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Because he can’t Leech and not share back with a Private Tracker. Cap your bandwidth on the Public ones!
December 30th, 2005 at 10:43 pm
sorry, but that’s not me. there are quite a few catflaps out there, and i always spell my name in lower-case letters – never with a capital C.
and i’m nowhere near the USA.
try again, loser.
December 30th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
hoooo-wheeee! we gots ourselves a troll!
good-bye troll.
December 30th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
Because he can’t Leech and not share back with a Private Tracker. Cap your bandwidth on the Public ones!
December 30th, 2005 at 10:54 pm
What was your User name on Araditracker then? Care to see what kind of member you are?
December 30th, 2005 at 10:54 pm
those are two examples of the elitist attitude that’s prevalent on private sites. “SEED OR DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!” crap like that. that’s not a freindly attitude and these sites and others go against the core of what p2p should be. peer-to-peer. not elitist-to-elitist. not seed or die, but share what you can or what you want. p2p is a free-for-all. peers are peers. they (we are) are all equal. that’s what “peer” means, whether you seed more or less than someone else.
and my list is much longer. i only gave a few as examples, as i said my list included them – not limited to them.
December 30th, 2005 at 10:57 pm
What is your User Name on Araditracker then?
December 30th, 2005 at 11:41 pm
The guy doesn’t have one at all, dipshit.
December 31st, 2005 at 12:02 am
I say contradulations once again, catflap. You have done what a good writer should, make people think.
There seems to be at least one that doesn’t get it. The idea you may never have been on a certain named tracker. Myself, I have never heard of that tracker that the one here is determined to link you too, whether you have been there or not. It appears to be important only to him so it is evident he has a bone to pick and it is hard to pull bones out where none exist.
I could not but help comment on your original article and I find that once again I am repeating that.
I still feel there are places for payfor, especially considering that ISPs are now limiting upload bandwidth to a greater degree than in the past. Some of that might be ISP stingyness with selling more accounts than their rented bandwidth might support. Still that does leave those users in a lurk when it comes to the share side of returning what they recieved. Under those conditions, pay for might well be the answer for them. For the rest of us, pay for doesn’t float unless there is some predominate reason why the member prefers to pay. In otherwords the same sort of conditions that the cartels are under in that in order for payfor to work, they must offer what can not be gotten elsewhere to make it work paying for. Just offering access doesn’t cut it as a payment reason.
While I can see reasons for both sides of this issue, I too am against any sort of profit motive as the reason to have a site access. I understand that servers cost. I also understand that for the most part, internet users are more careful with their money and know how to say no or they wind up on the endless scam sites out there till money is one of those things they find they are short of.
The brag by one individual site owner is evidence that one should consider well where one spends their money. I know not if this owner has considered this or not but with all this notoriety he has placed himself within the sights of a cartel as being a “for profit” site and as such is a prime target for closure if they zero in on him.
December 31st, 2005 at 12:43 am
Your opinion??? You called it an article, that implies you have facts, but an oppinion is just that, facts help, but you dont have any facts.
The things you object to with private trackers applies as much, or more so, to so called public trackers. The majority of the comments you got was from angry people NOT agreeing with you at all, these are the people that KNOW the facts while you do not.
You are anti private trackers, thats fine, why not share with us (if you can share) what these sites ever did to you exactly. What name did you use to log on with there?
Were you a member of these sites, or are you speaking from a distance? Looking from a distance.
The fact is that if you do that, your facts get distorted.
wanting the MPAA and RIAA to close these sites down, as you do, means you are anti P2P, they are EVERYONES enemy, and here you are, wanting to help them. WHY?
Anyone that advocates harming ANY part of the P2P world in this manner is not worth bothering with, so, I wont bother with this two bit site anymore.
I see plenty of advertsing here, care to follow your own advice and account to everyone as to income and where it went? No, thought not.
Loki was one thing, he had sort of a public tracker, and MOST, if not ALL sites want you to register. So your arguments dont hold water…. it leaks in fact.
the site I belong to is a private site, and has NEVER asked me or anyone else for money. Yes, it tracks ratios, but so what, thats there to prevent bastards like you leeching and running. I cannot see a person like you ever sharing.
But the fatc that you support the RIAA and the MPAA makes you lower than low, and I would advise EVERYONE to stop coming to this site, we dont know if this creep is logging IP’s and handing them to his friends at the MPAA and RIAA.
And I really hope this site gets hacked to death, I wont shed a tear if it goes, maybe you casn ask the MPAA for a donation to reopen it.
I dont mind opinions, provided they are well thought out. Yours are not, they are muddled, without fact or merit, and just plain nasty and full of lies passed as fact.
You can bleat all you want, but we are onto you now. We know where your true loyalties lie, not with the P2P world, but with the MPAA and RIAA
so for that reason, go drop dead and fuck off.
moron.
December 31st, 2005 at 12:56 am
Like come on now you really do need to make up your mind….
Fist off you say you did not write them.
“Regarding the two text files quoted in my article: I received them in a download of a film released by a group in the scene. I don’t know who wrote them, but many people seem to believe they’re my words, and attribute them to me. They are not my words!”
So you don’t know who they came from or what was the reason behind this obviously disgruntled ex-member of these sites was for writing it
NewsFLash:
I just downloaded a torrent that had textfile attatched to it telling me that catflap “enjoys sexual reletions with gerbils”
Now if my journalistic skills were anywhere near the level of yours I would have to assume that since it came from a torrent text file it must be true and not just the mumbling of an idiot…. (if it does turn out that you actually like the gerbils, there is no need to confirm it as we really don’t need to know….)
Now you also seem to be stating this as being fact-
“I (and many, many others) are against these elitist so-called private, closed/invitation only trackers because they require registration, AND limit memberships, AND track ratios, AND beg for money, AND sell VIP memberships, AND do not publicly account for every cent they receive, showing exactly what their costs are and exactly where the money went. Not “OR”, but “AND”. There’s a big difference, and some people are misinterpreting me. These sites are the demented little brothers and sisters – the skeletons in the P2P family closet – which no one likes to talk about.”
That is an awful lot of ‘AND’s, does posting in caps make it anymore true???
Sorry but it doesn’t…
I belong to a few of the sites on your list…
If you didn’t insist on it being AND, but not OR (I might believe some of the dribble you insist on spewing….)
I have never donated any of my money to these sites, have I given them my bandwidth, lets just say a little….
When was the last time you were able to find that hard to find file on a public tracker….
I know it just isn’t there, but if you belongto a private community based sight all you need to do is make a little request and someone will usually supply you with what you are looking for…
Public or Private?
I’ll stick to my private sites, thanks.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:02 am
argument is good for the soul. so good for the troll(s). hehehe
December 31st, 2005 at 1:11 am
simply because i was bored and drunk….
December 31st, 2005 at 1:29 am
Agreed, this guy is good at talking via his ass, maybe the facts will spew out his mouth one day and he can take a shit instead.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:39 am
I don’t wish to be offensive but you really are a twunt aren’t you?
Have you actually counted how many replies are in agreement with your pro**AAs’ drivel?
The only ones I have spotted so far are from all those lame sods who hit and run on the “free” public trackers…..
They’re not “free” you morons, they’re the ones that give the **AAs’ your ip so they can come and get you.
And you, you twunt, are helping them to get the money.
Luv’N'Stuff and die painfully you cretin.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:52 am
You’re an idiot.. If you’d read the comments from your last ‘article’ you’d notice that the majority of them are opposed to your ridiculous ideas.
This new article is full of more fabrications and flat out uninformed opinions you try to pass off as fact. Please just stop, you DON’T know what you’re talking about… leave it at that.
December 31st, 2005 at 2:15 am
I’ve been reading all the replies and I read this somewhere on a forum and is seems appropo to what is going on here:
“The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to rolling messages. It is well known that most people don’t read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.”
‘nuf said.
And yes, I agree with catflap in principle, I’m not too familiar with tracking and torrents.
December 31st, 2005 at 2:25 am
Please……Go back to your porno downloads off kazaa…
Not only is this the illiterate rambling of an obvious buffoon, but you also compound it by not having a clue wtf you are on about.
PS This is your cr4p as it would have read had you used spell check.
“I say congratulations once again, catflap. You have done what a good writer should, make people think.
There seems to be at least one that doesn’t get it. The idea you may never have been on a certain named tracker. Myself, I have never heard of that tracker that the one here is determined to link you too, whether you have been there or not. It appears to be important only to him so it is evident he has a bone to pick and it is hard to pull bones out where none exist.
I could not but help comment on your original article and I find that once again I am repeating that.
I still feel there are places for pay for, especially considering that ISPs are now limiting upload bandwidth to a greater degree than in the past. Some of that might be ISP stinginess with selling more accounts than their rented bandwidth might support. Still that does leave those users in the lurch when it comes to the share side of returning what they received. Under those conditions, pay for might well be the answer for them. For the rest of us, pay for doesn’t float unless there is some predominate reason why the member prefers to pay. In other words the same sort of conditions that the cartels are under in that in order for pay for to work, they must offer what can not be gotten elsewhere to make it work paying for. Just offering access doesn’t cut it as a payment reason.
While I can see reasons for both sides of this issue, I too am against any sort of profit motive as the reason to have a site access. I understand that servers cost. I also understand that for the most part, internet users are more careful with their money and know how to say no or they wind up on the endless scam sites out there till money is one of those things they find they are short of.
The brag by one individual site owner is evidence that one should consider well where one spends their money. I know not if this owner has considered this or not but with all this notoriety he has placed himself within the sights of a cartel as being a “for profit” site and as such is a prime target for closure if they zero in on him.”
PPS…It’s still a load of BS.
(And yes I know your native tongue isn’t English but you’re still a twunt).
December 31st, 2005 at 2:33 am
Quote “I’m not too familiar with tracking and torrents.” Unquote.
If you don’t know wtf the subject is about, wtf are you doing here.
Fuck off you moron.
PS The word is “apropos”. Don’t use it if you can’t spell it.
December 31st, 2005 at 2:54 am
these rules are posted in an elitist tracker and i have seen them and rules like them on others:
No requests allowed
If a file is not on XXX (here), do not ask where you can find it.
Do not ask about other torrent sites, or provide links to other torrent sites.
Do not ask for a file to be reseeded.
If you really want to find something – try Google!
****************
WOW!!! what a nice, cheerful, helpful, generous bunch! where do i sign up to be part of this great elite crowd that doesn’t help anyone but accepts money for VIP status? hmmm?
these types of rules (and very often copied verbatim) are extremely common in the elitist trackers. one would be hard-pressed to find a similar attitude on an open public tracker toward its members. just the opposite, actually.
December 31st, 2005 at 3:05 am
you forgot the all important “no gerbils allowed rule”
December 31st, 2005 at 4:12 am
The Private Trackers I belong do NOT have any rules such as the ones you have posted. Asking for a crack is not in proper taste, therefore it is not allowed in the forums, PM absolutely. You still have not answered my two questions: What is your User Name on Araditracker? or do you not want your dirty laundry out in the open and being labeled as a Leech? If you have not been a Member on Araditracker, apologize and remove it from your list of boycotted sites, as you have no idea how great that site is! We are not some Elitist Asshole site where if you don’t seed you are immediately banned, we actually have quite a large buffer before that happens (50gigs downloaded) in order to educate Members how Bittorrent actually works, seeing as we usually have members who come straight from a public site and do not know any better and do not seed. We promote productive members in a swarm, our speeds and Seeder to Leecher ratio reflects that. We also provide most files first, and have a Staff the works extremely hard at making sure our Members are taken care of. I’m not an Owner or Admin on Araditracker, I just care tremedously about it.
So what is it gonna be?
1. Air your Dirty Laundry…or
2. Retract your statement about Araditracker?
December 31st, 2005 at 5:43 am
name the site MORON…. NAME THE SITE….
Just more made up crap from a lame brained hit and runner!
You are the author of the article, sorry, opinion, and you expect us to TRUST you to be honest? If this were a REAL fact, you would have used it beofre now.
Maybe one in 20 here supports you, the majority of the comments are anti you, so get the fucking message.
Everyone is NOT as lame brained as you, they KNOW the truth, this is why we are all yelling you down!
I have never seen “rules” like that before and I doubt anyone else has, if its true, then the site wont last long as TRUE sharers wont be a party to that sort of thing.
So you say its common, well, we all know you are a liar. You make up stuff to backup your opinon.
Got that pea brain, YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR!
You are not only a hit and runner, but I doubt you have been in the P2P world very long. Why is that not many have heard of you? Mind yu, hit an runners never post messages do they.
Besides, if what you say is true FOR ONE SITE, then why use it to blacken the names of ALL private trackers? You must know the name of the site because you X’ed out the name, so come on, stop with the BULL CRAP and name the ONE site!
Then, provide evidence that it applies to ALL private trackers, because thats what you have done.
But you wont, your opinions and the FACTS have nothing on common.
Catflap? maybe your name should be CATS ARSE!
You speak shit.
and I see you have a DONATE button… you is the eal crook?
donate so you can mouth of your shit opinions?
NO FUCKING WAY!
I’d rather donate to a true P2P site where my money would be used to BETTER the P2P world, not destroy it.
And I ask again, please state how much your site has made in donations, advertising and where its gone.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Again, I say,
NOW FUCK OFF!
December 31st, 2005 at 8:10 am
lol, what cracks me up is I’ve got VIP on two of the sites mentioned in you boycott list yet, I’ve never given either site a penny.
December 31st, 2005 at 8:35 am
funny how the org. poster of this and maxtheass.. i mean slient are the same people. i just know they are do not ask me how i know.
i’m staff on Wild-Bytes. we do not sell vip for gigs. we are totally agaisnt that. we see this as being free. that’s how this all started(The Scene) before torrents were even thought of. back when http sites where the thing and xdcc servers, then ftp !List channels and such.
What we offer our vips for their Donations are. you get access to the Vip tracker where your downloads do not count on your ratio and your uploads do. No wait times etc. We also have drawings for the users.. out last one was where you could win an xbox 360 and you got a # tickets depending on what you paid. you also got vip for a certian period as well. We do not spam our members like Pisexy does and Bitsoup does. i can talk about the other as i am not a member there. bitsoup seems to be the worse so far. We also DO NOT profit from this. alot of people say this. but we do not. our staff is not paid. Pisexy’s is. any thing that is made is put back into buying prizes or costs of expenses.
max has it in his little mind that we have something to do with those nfo’s floating around about them. We do not. it’s not hard to retouch an nfo file. he just needs to come out of the little world he made for himself over there at pihole. and get back into the real world.
Wb staff.
December 31st, 2005 at 9:24 am
well i for one am curious as to your background
maybe a few of these people would be a bit more accepting of your argument if you told us a bit about your background
as of now you play yourself off as just some guy who says these sites are bad dont go to them
how can you expect people to listen to you when you wont reveal much about yourself at all
your responses of calling people “losers” and stuff like that actually hurts your credibility to speak on this topic.
tell us a bit about yourself so we can better understand where you are coming from and in doing so might make people a bit more accepting of your argument
except most people ive seen replying have a major tendancy to disagree with your argument.
Sincerly,
Jcool
December 31st, 2005 at 10:03 am
those rules are copyird directly from one of the sites in the article. you find out which one. somewhere in the site’s name is and F and an L.
troll.
December 31st, 2005 at 10:07 am
this is not my site. i am not paid. i have no influence over ads or the operations of p2pnet.
those rules – and others like them – can be found on most other elitist sites.
troll.
December 31st, 2005 at 10:10 am
hello Jcool.
all you need to know about me is already in the article above.
December 31st, 2005 at 10:34 am
What exactly are you trying to say there, that there was no actual legal trouble with Loki? I doubt he had 40k in legal expenses, but I do not doubt he turned the money over to the MPAA. There are court documents that have been posted online, downloaded from an official U.S. service that allows this for a fee. It’s really tiresome to see people being so paranoid all the time, and acting like it’s more likely these big sites have “run with the money” by making up some legal trouble, rather than that they actually ARE in legal trouble.
Every time somebody repeats something like this, it just spreads more misinformation, and unfortunately people seem to prefer to remember the misinformation than the actual, boring, plain as day facts. Loki maybe was a betrayal to the community, but that 40,000 didn’t go to some p2p site owner, it went to the copyright holders, and the owner probably is stuck trying to repair his financial record and trying to deal with the fallout of pissing off several large corporations AND the p2p community.
December 31st, 2005 at 10:54 am
i saw those documents at the time. i never said there weren’t and summonses. those were the only verifiable documents. there were no bank statements, copies of bills, nothing to show exactly where the money went.
but after that, no one knows what really happened. no ones knows what deal he made. he could have hidden the money somewhere it can’t be touched.
the point is…full, open verfiable disclosure. keep BT totally free with no VIP treatments. no fascist attitudes. no restrictions. everyone is a peer. everyone is equal. that’s the point of p2p.
December 31st, 2005 at 12:00 pm
Lets presume for one second that catflap uses/used Araditracker and he admits it here – what are you going to do? Check out his account and post his personal details/ratio up for all to see?
You call that privacy? Try that stunt on a public tracker and see if you have ‘teeth’.
December 31st, 2005 at 12:05 pm
don’t lower yourself to answer these idiots catflap. All these people care about is shit for free. And these lunatics are happy to pay for that priviledge.
I agree with everything you say apart from your stance on private trackers. If people want a private sharing community thats fine but no-one should be getting rich from it. And selling your bandwidth is disgusting, no matter where it takes place
December 31st, 2005 at 12:56 pm
that’s ok, you don’t have to agree with everything (or anything).
but i know there are a lot more of us than of them. remeber the demented little bro or sis in the closet that no one like to talk about? unfortunately, many people are afraid to speak out about these things.
but here you can be anonymous and relax in the fact that you don’t have to register in order to access or post messages. and jon will absolutely not give any details to anyone for any reason.
i know, i generally stay away from trolls. i think i’ve said all i need to say. there are more intelligent discussions on this going on at other places.
thanks for your input.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:00 pm
Well some us might be kind enough to seed what we get, but some really need some encouraging. That’s what those sites provide. They are not elitist, everyione can get in. Most of the time you don’t need an invite, and if you do just go to the forum and ask for one. Or go to any forum and ask for one. They are just preventing massive loads on their servers, and well preventing that not every leecher can get in.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:39 pm
The point to be made is if he has used Araditracker, what kinda of Leecher …I mean Member was he, if he was not a Member, then He should post an apology as he has no facts to support his rant. If you have noticed, I removed any identifying info other than the name Catflap from the previous post before posting it. Having teeth is a whole other story my friend.
December 31st, 2005 at 1:57 pm
How the fook can you people talk about ethics when your clearly doing shit against the law. If people want private sites, let them have it, don’t bitch about it.
December 31st, 2005 at 3:28 pm
If he doesn’t have an account at that tracker, why is he boycotting something he uses baseless fact towards??? Dumbshit
I don’t use that tracker, but I will definately check it out now and some of the other sites he mentioned, just to see if in fact I do have to pay to play, which I doubt I do. Go and eat a dick.
December 31st, 2005 at 3:40 pm
While I agree with private sites making someone pay for extra services (FTP access, no wait times) should not be happening, I agree with someone who decides to donate get a star or something beside their name, or access to a “special forum”, but nothing tracker related. Paying for gigs is also a touchy subject, while paying $50 for 200-300gigs is wrong, one dollar for one gig is fine, which I have noticed on a few sites I frequent, when I donate, I usually ask for no credit as I seed well and maintian a healthy ratio. But on sites where I’m usually one of the last on a torrent and nobody takes it from me, my ratio suffers a little, so that option is nice for me. I use both public and private torrent sites, not once have I been told I need to donate, not from anyone. I have used some of the sites catflap has mentioned, some are better than others, and I agree with Jebus when he said not to “lump” them all together. Maybe if catflap had done his research a little better, not as many people would be jumping down his throat, as for ethics, I think people are riled up because catflap has a hard-on for private sites. He is entitled to his own opinion, but when naming names I think he could have used a little better tact. Instead of calling someone a “troll” he should have addessed the issue some of these people have. My two cents added.
December 31st, 2005 at 4:23 pm
please don’t misquote me or misconstrue my words.
read the articles. i never said those things.
December 31st, 2005 at 7:22 pm
Catflap, for some reason I am on your site on this one. To me, Loki is just a scumming piece of s#$t, the same as the former sharereactor’s owner. They got the money and disappeared. I don’t know what deal they had and what happened with the money, and I don’t really care. May they both rot in prisons where they belong for taking people’s hard earned cash and not delivering the goods.
There is only 1 thing that concerns me about p2p. Yes, it should be free but it also should be voluntary, meaning that if I don’t want to share back, nobody should force me to do so. Thanks God for edonkey/emule/BT modes that allow to disable uploading, it shouldn’t have been a crack in the first place but a normal feature as other P2P applications have. I have heard this argument before: if no one shares then p2p dies. That’s not true, there are always people who are willing to share (and bring themselves in hot waters, but that’s their own problem). So, for as long long as we have sacrificial goats, I don’t see why you or me or someone else should risk their heads for some guy they have never met. I know I wouldn’t.
January 1st, 2006 at 4:55 am
I could not ever hope to buy the information that p2p has helped me obtain, I would be lost in the mud of ignorance. p2p has helped me and my family stay out of being have nots. I dont know about your kids but having access to software and games has definately helped us survive and grow as a family.
Tbolt
January 1st, 2006 at 6:11 am
Your entire “article” is trolling.
Goodbye troll.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:44 am
“All these people care about is shit for free. And these lunatics are happy to pay for that priviledge.”
That makes so much sense. Everybody welcome George W Bush to the conversation.
If all they cared about was shit for free, you really think they’d be paying any money?
Go back over your post and think about what you wrote, feel free to come back when you aren’t such a raging moron.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:05 am
Well you’re more than welcome to go somewhere else, but arseholes like you wont get a thing from me. We’re starting to see who’s really into “sharing” now.
“I don’t see why you or me or someone else should risk their heads for some guy they have never met.” applies just as well from the other end. All the guys with the 100mbps boxes, why the hell should they do you any favours?
As for catflap, you want full, open, verifiable accounts of lokis finances and yet are unwilling to identify yourself.
Could it have anything to do with this?
Uploaded: 321.30 MB
Downloaded: 9.08 GB
Share ratio: 0.034
Uploaded: 13.59 MB
Downloaded: 1.01 GB
Share ratio: 0.013
Uploaded: 1.87 GB
Downloaded: 4.08 GB
Share ratio: 0.459
Uploaded: 0.00 kB
Downloaded: 6.29 MB
Share ratio: 0.000
Before you deny that is you (”I only use lowercase letters, boohoo”), provide people with some real, open, verifiable information about your accounts at the private sites. If you don’t then you’ll just have to forgive use for picking the only guy ever to be on our sites with your nick. At least these stats are from a real user, unlike your facts which are pulled from your arse.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:48 am
Your writing is poor, your logic is faulty, and your facts are not well researched. Don’t be surprised if people “misconstrue” your words. If you presented solid arguments, they wouldn’t. As it is, you come off as someone with an irrational bias against private trackers and who refuses to listen to reasonable counter-arguments.
January 1st, 2006 at 9:51 am
Catflap,
First I’m not a troll, I’m a regular here. I’m sure you will recall a discussion of another site and the camera article I fell for. (also mentioned I might bring it up at some other time)
Between the two articles, this is my third responce to you. Some of our fellow posters seemed to think I had no clue when I mentioned in both posts that it might solve the issue of low upload speeds due to ISPs.
However, I would like to say that I belong to one of those private trackers and not one that has been mentioned. (I will leave the name of the site out of this.) I honestly can not say it has anything of an elitist attitude. Those people are just plain friendly. They have never asked like some sites by trolling in pms for donations. There is a donation place with the standard practice of giving the gold star for contribution but other than that and access to another area, there are no extra bennies for donating. It is never asked for and never communicated to the members as a requirement. Further, the costs collected and bills paid are posted for senior members, in addition to the staff to see where the money went. It’s all laid out and kept up on a regular basis.
There is one other point that I would make here. There are leechers that don’t contribute. Either though lack of connectablity or purposeful blocking of the up channel through the firewall or throttling the client to the point that for all practical purposes they are not sharing unless you consider returning 1 to 1 at a speed that takes several weeks to attain. These I have seen though I won’t say how it was noticed.
I have seen other p2p type applications that had their own problems with being public and open. While there are certainly those that use them, there are also those that take advantage of them. It is far easier to limit those kind of misadventures in a limited access type enviroment. So what I am saying is that private places serve a purpose that many folks believe in. I am one that does but not for an elitist mentally. Simply I find it is far less trouble within the limited enviroment and that there is an associated fallout as a result of continual problem children from within the ranks of the moderators. It eventually leads to mods that have a hard time believing in their members, much the same as policemen and fireman have personal troubles from the aggrate conditions they find themselves in while being on the job. You see enough of the underside it influances the opinion and judgement of those involved.
This is not talking of your subject matter. I will state right off the bat, I won’t pay for the priviledge to download. Like you have stated in the reply above there are other ways. I do indeed maintain a respectable ratio that many would be envious of, so sharing is indeed part of my equation in usage. What I am saying here (and it isn’t to troll for any site) is that not all sites are as mentioned in your article. Those sites I have never been to and should I ever go there and find that to be the case I would not stay long. I know of a named individual, not personally or well, but have never been his area, so I can not say with any certainty of my own knowledge of the accurate points of your article so I will not discount your rendering based on past articles. I don’t think you have need to add feathers in your cap over a simple article. I can see from the comments that many aren’t aware of your status here nor of your past history.
I do question some of the more virgorous rants against these articles because the methods they use in disagreeing aren’t the methods one would use without a bone to pick. From that there appears to be a sore spot stuck so one has to wonder just how close to home that hit.
January 1st, 2006 at 10:12 am
For this poster,
With that attitude, you belong with the Kaaza crowd and I am not sure that isn’t giving you far more credit than you deserve. I am glad you are at edonkey/emule because if that’s the attitude of their members and they accept that then I don’t want to be there. Further I don’t want you on my stuff either. If you can’t share then go buy it. You obviously don’t know what sharing is. People that won’t maintain their ratios or share properly deserve you as an uploader and you deserve them to download from.
For the one below me,
Thank heavens I don’t belong to your site either. Anyone that would go posting figures, be they fictious or real at some other site is just begging for attention from the wrong parties. It is assumed that that IS someones data. If you have no more respect for your members while going on this crusade to id the authors figures, which I have yet to hear admittance of what nick is used or if the site is even used by the author. Under your method, anyone would be crazy to name any name. While I understand you have blocked the ip number, I don’t understand your willingness to put anyone on the line for your point in this. If I were the admin of this site you are obtaining info from you wouldn’t be on it long if you were ever ided.
Simply it looks as if you have no clue to the meaning of integrity or privacy. I only hope those sites you frequent haven’t mistakenly put you in a position of authority. You don’t deserve the consideration doing stunts like the one below, even without names.
January 1st, 2006 at 11:07 am
i don’t know who you are (because you’re anonymous here), and i can’t recall the camera article, but thank you for a well thought-out response. clearly, you’ve read everything and understand where i and others are coming from.
it’s true that many people in canada, usa and uk have bandwidth/speed caps or time limits imposed by their isps. this is also something that these elitist groups don’t take into account. i’m lucky that i have the fastest cable connection available to private customers in my country. if these places were open and changed their attitudes and ways, i might want to contribute my bandwidth to them. but until that happens, i’ll only give it to public, unrestricted trackers. the elitists will lose out, not me, because i can find just about everything they have and more on public sites.
someone mentioned on another site (in a discussion on these p2pnet articles) that they would like – and can’t wait – for p2p to be forced underground again.
that just won’t do. first, it will mean the total end of freedom of info sharing, and also that the cartels would have won. these types of invite-only/required memberships, VIPs buying users’ bandwidths, etc. have no place in a free, open society, which is what p2p is meant to be. membership should never be a requirement to download.
i consider any tracker that is not public and open to all, with no restrictions, member limits, selling credits or special treatments as being elitist. whether or not some, or all, of its members have that attitude, the admins and owners certainly do, otherwise they wouldn’t be a closed society.
i do have experiences using closed trackers. when i was writing, i wasn’t sure if i should include some places from my list. my mandate wasn’t to start naming names, but since everyone, including the cartels, knows the names, it didn’t seem to matter. it’s not a secret, especially since many, many closed trackers repost their torrents on popular open listing sites.
no one can hide from anyone on the internet, even in the closed trackers. it’s just not possible. the cartels have their spies everywhere, as proved by the shutdowns of private sites in the past, so there really is no point in having them. open trackers will bring in more people, which will increase speeds and sharing potential. many open places typically have faster speeds and longer-living torrents than do closed ones. and more chances for requesting and receiving a reseed, or other request.
so-called leechers (there’s no such thing because everyone contributes with bandwidth and uploading of pieces, so everyone is a leech) are found everywhere. they will always be there. but when a tracker is open for all, the potential for more files staying alive at good speeds is much greater than on closed trackers. closing trackers and limiting membership numbers defeats the purpose of free p2p, cloing itself out of larger swarms. peers are peers, not fascists.
selling peoples’ bandwidth to VIPs is wrong. and why have a star next to your name to be identified as a donator? who cares? that makes them special? no, it makes them a sucker. it will just give more attention to you (not “you”, but anyone) for when the cartels start calling and say they know names of people who paid for the service. it’s not a good idea to call attention to yourself in that way.
i still feel that owners (and possibly admins) should pay for the sites themselves. it’s no one else’s responsibility and they have no right to ask (beg) for money, especially with all of the restrictions they make. some people claim i’ve said that these sites are requiring members to pay. i have never said that and i don’t know of any trackers that do require payment for membership.
i’m very glad that people are starting to talk about this now, because it needs discussion and debate. too many people have been too complacent in the past year, accepting anything that’s offered, even if it restricts their freedoms.
keeping BT and p2p public and open to all, with no restrictions, is the only way p2p can survive. that is the nature and true meaning of freedom and free p2p.
thanks so much for your honest, thought-provoking response.
i appreciate it.
January 1st, 2006 at 11:29 am
forgot to say…
if the site you belong to – and perhaps others – does show their income and costs, displaying exactly where and to whom the money went to – this knowledge should be accessible to everyone and anyone who is, or wants to become, a member. it should not be hidden. this also goes for the public trackers that accept donations. if i’m a potential investor, i want to know what to expect before i pay out.
public, honest, verifiable, total accountability of donations and expenses is something that could start me having a change of heart. but only a start.
January 1st, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Some news for you. You are never free from people knowing how much you upload and download. If you knew anything about torrents you’d know that certain info is freely available from your client. Information regarding how much of a file you have, when you recieve each piece and when you send it. From this it’s easily possible to work out how fast you are downloading, how much you are downloading, how fast you are uploading and how much you are uploading. This information is available to anyone who wants it. So much for privacy. The bittorrent protocol was never designed to have any privacy.
If you’re scared by seeing a few numbers you really shouldn’t be using torrents.
As for “you have no clue to the meaning of integrity or privacy”, well that’s something you would never know about. Everyone seems very quick to judge admins of private sites as people who would roll over at the first sign of trouble. If you knew me at all, you’d know I have emergency plans in place to remove all peer data at even the slightest hint of trouble. I also mentioned somewhere about logs pointing to /dev/null. I have no plans to ever make a deal and therefore no need of logs. If it comes to that I stand alone and take responsibility.
Guess that doesn’t count for much in your world though.
Regarding the data itself, anyone that repeatedly tries to come back after being banned and then treats other members with so much disrespect as to leech like that, they deserve whatever they get.
The net is not and never has been a place without consequences to actions, much as you may like to believe you are anonymous.
And yes, I do believe members deserve respect. I do not “sell bandwidth”, I do not “beg for money”. I don’t even ban people for a low ratio (although I do deal with sites that do, and it’s their right to). Members are treated with respect, and I go out of my way to help them. When somebody starts to disrespect other members though they’re out. They carry on disrespecting members, they’d better be prepared for what follows. Simple as that.
I do not belong to one single community that would act any differently. That’s what community means, sticking together and doing what is right for the good of the majority. Not allowing leechers (I use this term to describe attitude more than ratio) to repeatedly disrespect all members without consequences.
January 1st, 2006 at 2:01 pm
Firstly, lets demolish your opinion.
You advocate the use of public trackers. Loki Torrenst was a public tracker, he not only asked for donations, he asked for donations to a fighting fund. The rest is history.
Theres one public tracker (since closed) that was part owned by a software company. Join the tracker, and next thing, it sent you an Email from the other half saying that it had detected KIDDY PORN on your computer, and SHOWED you a photo of a naked child. If you wanted to “clean” your computer, you had to pay money for the software which turned out was a hacked copy of someone elses work.
Or the public tracker in Spain, join up, and get spammed to death. They made their money selling Email addresses.
OR, what about the public rackers that require all RAR files to be password protected so no other site can use the same torrent (external tracker) wich means you had to go join that public tracker to get the password! (it was the Spanish one above)
So, why you would want people to use public trackers when some of them do not play fair is beyond me.
Lets look at the private trackers.
True file sharers will NEVER join a tracker such as what you have described. In fact, you have named some private trackers and people from them have come here and said you are WRONG.
THEN, you suggest something TOTALY outrages, and refuse to name the site, you HINT at it in a cryptic way, why? You felt at ease when you named the private trackers? Could it be that you are making it up? Or is it that you HAVE made it up and dont want someone from that site telling you that.
You have even suggested the MPAA and RIAA should close these sites down, these two organisations are NOT the friends of anyone in the P2P world, and your suggestion means you heart is NOT reallty with us. If the AA’s close ANY p2p site down, then the ENTIRE p2p world is harmed.
You appear to be anti p2p. Correction, you ARE anti p2p.
many people from the sites you named have come here and said you are just plain WRONG, and still you refuse to accept that and withdraw your “opinion” and apologise.
You refuse to accept that public trackers in some cases are WORSE then the private trackers you are against, you refuse to accept that some of your opinions are just wrong, tantamount to LIES. This does yu no good at all.
ALL sites ask for donations. A LOT of the trackers enforece a ratio system, this appears to be your MAIN gripe, and I suspect that you have been banned from more than one private tracker because you TAKE and never give. This si why you want revenge on those sites that do not want you as a member. can you balme them?
Now, lets look at your site. You ask for donations. You say in the box at the bottom of the page “Help us to keep on unspinning the spin” but your opinions dont do that. They add misconceptions and untruths t the TRUTH, not spin.
I would never consider donating to a site that has as its ‘articles’ nothing but opinion. There are better sites, like SLYCK which publish FAIR and BALANCED articles and even their OPINIONS are balanced.
Now lets look at your adverts. The first one I looked at was for BEARSHARE. They want you to pay them $3.29 a MONTH to use their p2p client, when Azureus and others are FREE.
So who is the hypocrite here I ask?
You seem to forget that the people you have insulted, the users of private trackers, have a FREE choice. They have the choice to belong or not belong. As pointed out, you are WRONG about them demanding money, but eben so, if they have more money than brains, if they want a false sense of security, THATS THEIR CHOICE.
Maybe you should write about the gulible people that would PAY for belonging to a p2p site OR those that would pay a monthly fee to use BEARSHARE.
All that you say is just plain wrong. It can be applied to sites which are public like DEMONOID and private trackers which I belong to are NOT as you made them out to be. if they were, I wouldnt belong to them.
We do NOT have a great pipline to the est of the world from New Zealand, but on demonoid I have a ratio odf over 1:1 SO, again, your argument is not valid.
lastly, if you want these private trackers to account for all money recieved, well, as they NEVER demand you make a donation, or NEVER demand you pay anyway, LIKE THIS SITE, as YOU ask for donations, and the MAJOITY of non p2p websites do (including mine) then I suggest you get the ball rolling and you account for all the income you amke from it.
Its better to lead by example than point the finger at others right?
Kiwi1960
Pirate since 1972
BTW, you alienated the entire P2P world when you called us all pirates. Do you include yourself in that comment? You must, surely, since this site is called p2pnet
Give my warmest regards to your pals at the MPAA and the RIAA.
January 1st, 2006 at 2:23 pm
Excellent post Kiwi well put so now we wait and see about a reply
January 1st, 2006 at 2:25 pm
Excellent post Kiwi well put so now we wait and see about a reply
January 1st, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Now, lets look at your site. You ask for donations. You say in the box at the bottom of the page “Help us to keep on unspinning the spin” but your opinions dont do that. They add misconceptions and untruths t the TRUTH, not spin.
**********
it’s not my site. i’ve said this repeatedly. go find everywhere i posted that.
the rest of your trolling is rubbish.
bye.
January 1st, 2006 at 4:16 pm
i’ve never said that any tracker requires or demans payment. go find all the places i said that.
January 2nd, 2006 at 7:44 am
Yep, and they are both torrent INDEX sites!
They gather their content from the REAL TRACKERS, if they can they gather it from the Private trackers too (DHT anyone?).
Ao in a way they profit from all the good work private trackers do.
Private trackers that control the uploaders/seeders of any given torrent, keepin it alive etc.etc.
All this a Torrent index site don’t have to worry about, they also don’t have to worry about the quality of a torrent, controlling the text-files included etc.etc.etc.
What do you think would happen if those Torrent Index sites would have to it all by thremselves ? Alot more work to do i would say.
A torrent index site can work alomost 100% with bots, to let a private tracker flourish alot more manual labour is involded.
Like Kazaa (which i disliked very much!) Public Trackers encourage those who DON”T WANT TO SHARE!
If you don’t see this, then your a idiot (everyone who don’t see this, is a idiot)
Or maybe you do see it, but think it’s oke.
It’s not. Wake up!
January 2nd, 2006 at 8:04 am
—they require registration
Is that such a bad thing?
—limit memberships
what are you babbling about ?
Everyone is free to do with their bandwidth, private tracker only encourage you to SEED.
Seeding=Sharing, the whole idea of bittorent.
—track ratios
The only way to examine a member is living up their sharing contribution.
—sell VIP memberships
So? What’s wrong with making it a little more attractive to donate with some VIP advantages ?
Instead of just asking ? Everyone is FREE to take the package, no one is forced. What’s your point ?
—do not publicly account for every cent they receive
Are you serious? Who are you to demand insight in the revenue’s/cost a site makes ?
Bittorent sites are not regular business, you know. Some things just cannot be said, i sure as hell wouldn’t say it. That’s purely to protect myself, i encourage other sysops/admins to do so too.
Anyway, who’s gonna verify all those numbers ? Common cense? Making legistration ?
Really, you sound more stupid with every word you say.
—skeletons, you saY?
you know what the biggest Skeleton is ?
People like you, with your high moral standards. So high, you can’t see the reality or what is possible or not. Another Skeleton for the BT community are those wiseguys, who develop more features for the clients just to improve leeching. DHT is one of those. WHen sharing goes down, the p2p-protocol goes down with it.
January 2nd, 2006 at 8:22 am
That’s not so bad as the (for exmaple) spanish members who pm angry that there isn’t a spanish subtitle in it. Want to have more examples of those nice pm comments ?
January 2nd, 2006 at 9:37 am
“I also understand and respect the opinions of people who disagree with me. But it doesn’t make them right.
”
Doesnt make you right either moron!
Wanker arseholes like you need a bullet to the fucking head.
eat shit and die you fucking liar, no one knows who you are, and you wont tell anyone who you are, so you must be a fucking arsehole liar that doesnt want the truth to be known.
That you are a fucker who steals others bandwidth and doesnt give back what he takes. You dont share.
If you did, arsehole, you would tell us your online goofy name.
nuff fucking said loser.
January 2nd, 2006 at 2:53 pm
Paying one dollar dor 4GB is wrong, but paying one dollare for every single GB is oke ?
Weird point of view. Paying for GB is wrong, but when you do, let them pay premium prices. That’s basicly what you say.
Doesn’t that sound funny ?
January 2nd, 2006 at 2:56 pm
I think he is amusing himself and having a good laugh with all the attention he gets. Negative attention is attention too , you know.
I think he don’t have a live ;lol:
January 2nd, 2006 at 3:43 pm
“If you don’t see this, then your a idiot (everyone who don’t see this, is a idiot) ”
Ahh.
When you are wrong, resort to the straw man defense.
“Anyone who disagress with me is stupid.
”
Not true.
They simply have a different opinion, for reasons of their own.
People who must resort to name calling, are actually … well,
Stupid.
January 2nd, 2006 at 5:27 pm
So anyone who proves that your a moron is a troll while your lying and hatemongering for sites isnt? Pot calling the Kettle black alert!
January 2nd, 2006 at 9:42 pm
My friend, I think it is you who doesn’t know what sharing is….Ask Patricia Santangelo, she and 17,000 more idiots can tell you all about it because they were stupid enough to have their computers shared. If you want to get caught, go ahead, may be I’ll visit you in your prison cell sometime. I’d bring you a freshly downloaded porn to keep you busy but, unfortunately, I don’t think you’d be allowed to watch it:-)
OK, don’t get offended, I was only kidding. But let’s face the truth. Almost every country has now made file sharing illegal. That ought to tell you to wake up and smell the roses. Let’s admit, almost every single file violates copyrights of the owners. Please, don’t argue it ain’t so. So, now ask, would you really want to end up with a big ass lawsuit and possible criminal history? I don’t think so. If that would really happen, ask youself if all your troubles were worth it. Ask youself if having some guy who is 5,000 miles away download the newest Hollywood stinker from you justifies your life ruined and your pocket empty. Does it? That’s why I have never shared, never do and never will because I care about myself only and owe nothing to anybody. The law is above you and me. And people who say that they don’t do anything illegal are hypocrites. The sad thing is that many of them truly believe in it and then whine like little children when they get caught. If you violate the law, at least you should be smart enough not to proudly scream about it out loud. You should use the opportunity in the most harmless for yourself way:be discrete, download, burn it and never share!
The government and the entertainment industry are far more powerful than a bunch of pirates. File sharers are loosing, and there is nothing can be done, at least not today or in foreseeable future.
January 3rd, 2006 at 2:04 am
“People who must resort to name calling, are actually … well,
Stupid.”
Hmmm… seems to me you just called yourself stupid, then.
January 3rd, 2006 at 2:26 am
There are a lot more intellegent articles about it too…
January 3rd, 2006 at 2:39 am
Oh no! You didn’t agree with him! You must be a troll!
January 3rd, 2006 at 6:36 am
Ah, you are one of that many cowards. (just kidding, NOT)
Let others do the dirty work while you take your advantage of it.
I have nothing to say to you .
March 9th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
I agree with Rebus. Araditracker is the best site I have come accross.
foodog2004.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Aradi is good, but’s def doing some kind of stat ’stunting’ whereas the stats are NOTaccurate….which in my own humble opionion trying to get you to donate to better your ratio. I share and share but it seems my stats move at a snails pace. The stats on my profile don’t match my own stats on azuerus. Am I pissed. Not really….thanks to the uploaders for sharing. Thanks to aradi for having the site…I’m patient I can wait…what’s funny is if I’m going to pay for something I’m going to buy the real thing and not pay to d/l the stuff on aradi. So if they are doing what there doing, kinda suxs, but hey it’s free and how can you complain about free. There is a new trend coming. Companies are starting to refuse service to customers that complain all the time. So if paying customers are getting the boot, then you’d better believe the ones getting free service can boot yer ass too. Just shut the fuck up and enjoy the ride already!
April 11th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Good idea!
P.S. A U realy girl?