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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28221</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 10:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Sony should be made to have to pay restitution for all the
&gt;computers they destroyed. Two of which are MINE!!!!

While I don&#039;t disagree with your overall sentiment(s) on the subject matter, &quot;destroyed&quot; is hardly the most-appropriate word.  If you mean munged the OS by an attempted removal of said (losing functionality, data files, etc.) as opposed to electronically fry your PC... the point is, inflamatory is not akin to accurate.

NightShade
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Sony should be made to have to pay restitution for all the<br />
&gt;computers they destroyed. Two of which are MINE!!!!</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t disagree with your overall sentiment(s) on the subject matter, &#8220;destroyed&#8221; is hardly the most-appropriate word.  If you mean munged the OS by an attempted removal of said (losing functionality, data files, etc.) as opposed to electronically fry your PC&#8230; the point is, inflamatory is not akin to accurate.</p>
<p>NightShade</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-28149</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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The courts should NOT accept this &#039;offer&#039; from Sony!!! They should make Sony give a NON-rootkit CD in exchange for the rootkit one in each and every case!!!!! PERIOD!!!! Sony should be made to have to pay restitution for all the computers they destroyed. Two of which are MINE!!!! x( Then Sony should have to pay fines up to and hopefully overtopping the $BILLION mark!!!

This goes for ALL affected CDs/DVDs sold, etc. in ALL Countries!!!!!!!!!

After Sony is dealt with, the RIAA and those like them, need to be classified as TERRORIST orgaizations and taken DOWN!!!!!....ALONG with all their assets being siezed!!! 

ONLY THEN will we have a FREE Entertainment MARKET again.

Sony is a member of the RIAA: 

http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp 

Cruise that site thoroughly and find out what the RIAA is REALLY about!!! Along with their member list, pay close attention to the physical address given on the page where &#039;you&#039; can &quot;Join the RIAA&quot;. ;) 

THEN go and actually join the EFF: 

http://www.eff.org/ 

to help fight the RIAA.

Thank you very much, p2pnet, for doing YOUR part in educating people about all these &#039;digital&#039; issues!!!!!!!!!!! United we stand, Divided we FALL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The courts should NOT accept this &#8216;offer&#8217; from Sony!!! They should make Sony give a NON-rootkit CD in exchange for the rootkit one in each and every case!!!!! PERIOD!!!! Sony should be made to have to pay restitution for all the computers they destroyed. Two of which are MINE!!!! x( Then Sony should have to pay fines up to and hopefully overtopping the $BILLION mark!!!</p>
<p>This goes for ALL affected CDs/DVDs sold, etc. in ALL Countries!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>After Sony is dealt with, the RIAA and those like them, need to be classified as TERRORIST orgaizations and taken DOWN!!!!!&#8230;.ALONG with all their assets being siezed!!! </p>
<p>ONLY THEN will we have a FREE Entertainment MARKET again.</p>
<p>Sony is a member of the RIAA: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.riaa.com/about/members/default.asp</a> </p>
<p>Cruise that site thoroughly and find out what the RIAA is REALLY about!!! Along with their member list, pay close attention to the physical address given on the page where &#8216;you&#8217; can &#8220;Join the RIAA&#8221;. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>THEN go and actually join the EFF: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eff.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/</a> </p>
<p>to help fight the RIAA.</p>
<p>Thank you very much, p2pnet, for doing YOUR part in educating people about all these &#8216;digital&#8217; issues!!!!!!!!!!! United we stand, Divided we FALL.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27998</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 07:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wants to bet how many minutes will pass before sony starts whining that this is costing them too much money and gets the govt to drop the whole thing as &quot;unsustainable&quot; and &quot;too burdensome&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wants to bet how many minutes will pass before sony starts whining that this is costing them too much money and gets the govt to drop the whole thing as &#8220;unsustainable&#8221; and &#8220;too burdensome&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27986</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 06:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The average user does NOT read the EULA , this is a fact. The EULA may be read by various computer &#039;nerds&#039;, but not by anyone that &#039;trusts&#039; what they are downloading.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average user does NOT read the EULA , this is a fact. The EULA may be read by various computer &#8216;nerds&#8217;, but not by anyone that &#8216;trusts&#8217; what they are downloading.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27970</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 05:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sort of have a problem with this. Sony has once again committed criminal acts and once again gets off with what is nothing short of a sugar coated pill. Had this been an individual pulling this, you can be sure that the penalities would not be this easy. 

They certainly aren&#039;t pulling those infected cds from countries not pushing lawsuits against them, as has been reported by several members here from different parts of the world. This appears to be one of those feel good moves and nothing short of it. Something that allows Sony to escape what anyone else would not be able to pull off. 

Nothing in this has addressed damage to a users computer from buying authorized product. I don&#039;t even know that there would be any kind of yardstick that measures the cost to one that has to format the computer to remove this mess. Certainly Sony doesn&#039;t want it removed and has done everything it could throughout this debacle to drag its feet and ignore the real damage it has put its customers through. The idea that Sony has used this as an additional tool to obtain yet more datamining from its users and put them on a mailing list without choice to get the decloaker shows just how sorry they are. Most likely the CEO is back in the kitchen planning what next new toy to buy with all the extra profit that successful damage control has saved them. 

I am not going to buy DRM items. Forget it, there is nothing there in the subpar quality works that makes it worth the money without DRM. Since I can&#039;t use the purchase as I would to fit in my lifestyle, there is even less incentive to buy. Add to it that Sony is making out like the bandit it is by only having to offer up 7 bucks is a mockery compared to what they pulled off in the form of a scam on the world. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sort of have a problem with this. Sony has once again committed criminal acts and once again gets off with what is nothing short of a sugar coated pill. Had this been an individual pulling this, you can be sure that the penalities would not be this easy. </p>
<p>They certainly aren&#8217;t pulling those infected cds from countries not pushing lawsuits against them, as has been reported by several members here from different parts of the world. This appears to be one of those feel good moves and nothing short of it. Something that allows Sony to escape what anyone else would not be able to pull off. </p>
<p>Nothing in this has addressed damage to a users computer from buying authorized product. I don&#8217;t even know that there would be any kind of yardstick that measures the cost to one that has to format the computer to remove this mess. Certainly Sony doesn&#8217;t want it removed and has done everything it could throughout this debacle to drag its feet and ignore the real damage it has put its customers through. The idea that Sony has used this as an additional tool to obtain yet more datamining from its users and put them on a mailing list without choice to get the decloaker shows just how sorry they are. Most likely the CEO is back in the kitchen planning what next new toy to buy with all the extra profit that successful damage control has saved them. </p>
<p>I am not going to buy DRM items. Forget it, there is nothing there in the subpar quality works that makes it worth the money without DRM. Since I can&#8217;t use the purchase as I would to fit in my lifestyle, there is even less incentive to buy. Add to it that Sony is making out like the bandit it is by only having to offer up 7 bucks is a mockery compared to what they pulled off in the form of a scam on the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27958</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, and I can suggest the entire text of such a law right now:

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1. (a) In this Act, &#039;Digital Rights Management&#039; [hereafter, DRM] means any technical measure in a sound recording or movie, which has the effect of preventing legitimate purchasers of the said work from exercising their fair use rights in relation to it

2. (a) All Digital Rights Management, as defined in s.1(a), is illegal and use of such is punishable by a fine not less than $50,000 per copy of the Work distributed to consumers

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Simple, and effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, and I can suggest the entire text of such a law right now:</p>
<p>___</p>
<p>1. (a) In this Act, &#8216;Digital Rights Management&#8217; [hereafter, DRM] means any technical measure in a sound recording or movie, which has the effect of preventing legitimate purchasers of the said work from exercising their fair use rights in relation to it</p>
<p>2. (a) All Digital Rights Management, as defined in s.1(a), is illegal and use of such is punishable by a fine not less than $50,000 per copy of the Work distributed to consumers</p>
<p>___</p>
<p>Simple, and effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27955</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 03:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notification is the right way to go, that should include hardware too, not just cd&#039;s. There should be:
1. A statment, clearly visible on the package, that the product contains DRM
2. An explanation of what the DRM does.
I don&#039;t see people rushing out to replace their vcr&#039;s with Tivo&#039;s if it was made clear right on the box that some shows may only be kept on it for a limited time. ( http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/09/tivo_72_os_adds.html ) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notification is the right way to go, that should include hardware too, not just cd&#8217;s. There should be:<br />
1. A statment, clearly visible on the package, that the product contains DRM<br />
2. An explanation of what the DRM does.<br />
I don&#8217;t see people rushing out to replace their vcr&#8217;s with Tivo&#8217;s if it was made clear right on the box that some shows may only be kept on it for a limited time. ( <a href="http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/09/tivo_72_os_adds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2005/09/tivo_72_os_adds.html</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27948</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve a better solution, taken from a french website (eucd.info) on which the french copyright law evolution is debated and on which, obviously, DRMs are a main topic.

The solution is to design an international logo for NON DRMed CDs. Something like an anti &quot;copy-protection&quot;, with clear notices to the users that the content of the CD can be read on any plateform, is not DRM crippled and will not harm their computer nor their privacy.

Any producer who choses NOT to protect his CD with DRMs will be allowed to put this logo (that shall be freely available online) on the CD he sells, without any extra charge (Basically, the Compact disc - digital audio logo should be enough as copy protected CDs do not comply to that standard, but another logo, which is more explanatory would be more suitable).

This logo should be managed by some kind of anti-DRM fundation who might have the powers to sue the producers who misuse it (as the contract term between this fundation and the producers would of course include the full compliance to the Non-DRM standard rules I described above).

Once all kind of CDs will be in the stores, the ones with the copy protection logo on it, the others with the non-DRM logo on it, and if enough communication is made around it (why not start a fundraiser to pay an advertisment campaign around it ?), and thanks to Sony&#039;s rootkit story, the audiance will have a clear choice whether they accept DRMs or not.

In other words, it&#039;s an idea designed in a way so that releasing your CD without DRM should be a marketing bonus (that could for exemple be said in TV or radio commercials promoting the given CD. whereas copy protected CDs would be a marketing malus. Imagine you listen to the radio or watch TV and you hear/see a commercial like this one : &quot;Buy [album name here] by [band name here], great music...and 100% DRM free!&quot; I bet if something like this is set up :
- Many (mainly indie but soon even major companies) producers will adopt it.
- The sale of DRM-crippled stuff will sink quite fast.
--&gt; DRM stuff will disappear by the same rules that made it appear : the laws of the market.

Wanna kill DRMs ?
Support non DRMed music !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve a better solution, taken from a french website (eucd.info) on which the french copyright law evolution is debated and on which, obviously, DRMs are a main topic.</p>
<p>The solution is to design an international logo for NON DRMed CDs. Something like an anti &#8220;copy-protection&#8221;, with clear notices to the users that the content of the CD can be read on any plateform, is not DRM crippled and will not harm their computer nor their privacy.</p>
<p>Any producer who choses NOT to protect his CD with DRMs will be allowed to put this logo (that shall be freely available online) on the CD he sells, without any extra charge (Basically, the Compact disc &#8211; digital audio logo should be enough as copy protected CDs do not comply to that standard, but another logo, which is more explanatory would be more suitable).</p>
<p>This logo should be managed by some kind of anti-DRM fundation who might have the powers to sue the producers who misuse it (as the contract term between this fundation and the producers would of course include the full compliance to the Non-DRM standard rules I described above).</p>
<p>Once all kind of CDs will be in the stores, the ones with the copy protection logo on it, the others with the non-DRM logo on it, and if enough communication is made around it (why not start a fundraiser to pay an advertisment campaign around it ?), and thanks to Sony&#8217;s rootkit story, the audiance will have a clear choice whether they accept DRMs or not.</p>
<p>In other words, it&#8217;s an idea designed in a way so that releasing your CD without DRM should be a marketing bonus (that could for exemple be said in TV or radio commercials promoting the given CD. whereas copy protected CDs would be a marketing malus. Imagine you listen to the radio or watch TV and you hear/see a commercial like this one : &#8220;Buy [album name here] by [band name here], great music&#8230;and 100% DRM free!&#8221; I bet if something like this is set up :<br />
- Many (mainly indie but soon even major companies) producers will adopt it.<br />
- The sale of DRM-crippled stuff will sink quite fast.<br />
&#8211;&gt; DRM stuff will disappear by the same rules that made it appear : the laws of the market.</p>
<p>Wanna kill DRMs ?<br />
Support non DRMed music !</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27946</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 02:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a note that while MP3 versions may be available, fully CD quality DRM-free vendor-neutral versions aren&#039;t.  While I didn&#039;t buy any of these infected CDs, I would not be willing to accept any DRM-defective albums as they are worth less than nothing.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a note that while MP3 versions may be available, fully CD quality DRM-free vendor-neutral versions aren&#8217;t.  While I didn&#8217;t buy any of these infected CDs, I would not be willing to accept any DRM-defective albums as they are worth less than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27943</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(ii) three free album downloads (Sony will select at least 200 eligible titles).&quot;

I for one am very glad that I will be reimbursed for getting my computer stuffed with virus like drm by being able to pick from 200 of the best titles sony has to offer which I am sure will include such timeless hits as

The Remix Album ~ Milli Vanilli

Spaced Out: The Best of Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner

Spiceworld â The Spice Girls

The Best of Hanson Live and Electric 

Hung for the Holidays ~ William Hung 

and the one album I will be waiting for all day by my mailbox

The Best of Los Del Rio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(ii) three free album downloads (Sony will select at least 200 eligible titles).&#8221;</p>
<p>I for one am very glad that I will be reimbursed for getting my computer stuffed with virus like drm by being able to pick from 200 of the best titles sony has to offer which I am sure will include such timeless hits as</p>
<p>The Remix Album ~ Milli Vanilli</p>
<p>Spaced Out: The Best of Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner</p>
<p>Spiceworld â The Spice Girls</p>
<p>The Best of Hanson Live and Electric </p>
<p>Hung for the Holidays ~ William Hung </p>
<p>and the one album I will be waiting for all day by my mailbox</p>
<p>The Best of Los Del Rio</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27942</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not just the USA, not just Canada. What was the figure for DNS servers with rootkited PCs behind them worldwide? 500,000 ? And in most every country in the world?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not just the USA, not just Canada. What was the figure for DNS servers with rootkited PCs behind them worldwide? 500,000 ? And in most every country in the world?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7463/comment-page-1#comment-27936</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a person chooses not to accept the agreement Sony buys it back at face value.

Any damage caused to a computer by their software direct or indirect Sony pays to repair it at a local shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a person chooses not to accept the agreement Sony buys it back at face value.</p>
<p>Any damage caused to a computer by their software direct or indirect Sony pays to repair it at a local shop.</p>
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