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	<title>Comments on: Pete Townshend on hearing loss</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28650</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 07:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting. I find when I&#039;m on public transport, such as a bus or a train, I often end up not being able to hear what I&#039;m listening to very well over the noise of the traffic or other people talking, if they&#039;re talking loudly. So I turn it up.

It isn&#039;t until I get into a quiter place that I realise how loud I&#039;ve had it turned up and turn it down again.

I do try and keep the volume as low as possible so as not to do too much damage to my hearing. However, I am beginning to notice some ranges of my hearing are fading. I suspect this is due to rock concerts mainly.

I&#039;d suggest anyone who regularly goes out to loud concerts, or plays in a band where playing loudly is a part of what you do, invest in a pair of ear plugs.

You can get plugs, I hear (sorry), which block all frequencies equally and so don&#039;t detract from the quality of the sound as much as cheaper ones, which might block certain frequencies more than others.

If anyone has any more idea about these, please say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting. I find when I&#8217;m on public transport, such as a bus or a train, I often end up not being able to hear what I&#8217;m listening to very well over the noise of the traffic or other people talking, if they&#8217;re talking loudly. So I turn it up.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t until I get into a quiter place that I realise how loud I&#8217;ve had it turned up and turn it down again.</p>
<p>I do try and keep the volume as low as possible so as not to do too much damage to my hearing. However, I am beginning to notice some ranges of my hearing are fading. I suspect this is due to rock concerts mainly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest anyone who regularly goes out to loud concerts, or plays in a band where playing loudly is a part of what you do, invest in a pair of ear plugs.</p>
<p>You can get plugs, I hear (sorry), which block all frequencies equally and so don&#8217;t detract from the quality of the sound as much as cheaper ones, which might block certain frequencies more than others.</p>
<p>If anyone has any more idea about these, please say so.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28639</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 04:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;[If] You hear them at insane levels of loudness, you will pay later without hearing protection.&quot;

This is correct. The word &quot;insane&quot; may be misleading. Most people will say to themselves, &quot;Well, I don&#039;t listen at insane volumes.&quot; when in fact many of them may be damaging their hearing. Years of playing in Rock-N-Roll bands has damaged mine, that&#039;s for sure. :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;[If] You hear them at insane levels of loudness, you will pay later without hearing protection.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is correct. The word &#8220;insane&#8221; may be misleading. Most people will say to themselves, &#8220;Well, I don&#8217;t listen at insane volumes.&#8221; when in fact many of them may be damaging their hearing. Years of playing in Rock-N-Roll bands has damaged mine, that&#8217;s for sure. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28631</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 02:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter and I were on a bus recently and there was a kid with a CD player sitting in the back. The music was so loud we had to move. 

Apart from the noise pollution, what was it doing to his hearing? 

Cheers!



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter and I were on a bus recently and there was a kid with a CD player sitting in the back. The music was so loud we had to move. </p>
<p>Apart from the noise pollution, what was it doing to his hearing? </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28628</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy do I find this timely. 

I&#039;m an older rock fan, been that way all my life. It was only after I reached my adult years that I could buy better equipment, be it stereo or whatever. 

I&#039;ve also been one that has been around loud noises all my life. Whether it was from woodworking tools and construction, or the military and artillery, or working around turbines, or listening to insanely loud music. 

It was only later that I became aware of hearling loss and what it does. Now in the military it wasn&#039;t unusual to have ear plugs and use them. But tell me it does much good around a turbine engine or even a turboprop. Military craft aren&#039;t known for sound deadening. With the artillery, after an hour or two of firing, your eyeballs bulged out from the pressure the earplugs were putting on your internal makeup. You would have to dig the plugs out of your ears because sound pressure from the guns had pushed them in so far. 

Mechanicing and operating turbine gas compressors (with the same engines used in helicopters) after 20 years takes its toll, even with ear plugs. Not only turbine but reciprocal engines that are two stories high with catwalks and ladders to reach the cylinders. Cylinders big enough that if they were removed you would have no trouble at all sliding down through to the base of the engine where the crankshaft is. When they run, every thing around them vibrates and the noise levels of the turbocharger are insane. 

I&#039;ve had car stereos that could play at volumes where you could feel your guts move to the sound pressure, where a free hanging shirt material would move from the sound pressure inside. It&#039;s a wonder the glass remained inside the vehicle. 

Or going to concerts, being right down on the front. For New Years, went to a city party. Live bands on a trailer stage for the crowds. The acoustical preformance was great, but when the next band fired up for their sets, I moved away, blocks away where I could still hear them playing. Up front the shrill high pitched noises were irratating to me. 

I no longer hear as I once did as you can gather from the above. Yearly hearing tests showed that most of the higher end frequencies are severely affected. I still hear bass and voice level frequencies but even they are somewhat diminished over the normal hearing of average people. 

It matters not the source, earphones, earplug headphones, or just plain loud noises. You hear them at insane levels of loudness, you will pay later without hearing protection. Worse, you won&#039;t even notice it till like me. I find now that if two people are talking, or if the tv is on and some one is talking, I can&#039;t tell who said what. 

I&#039;m not bitching about what I&#039;ve heard, much of it voluntary done on purpose. I&#039;m saying if you value your hearing, think about it first. As loosing your hearing is a painless experience for most. You don&#039;t even realise it is happening as it does. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy do I find this timely. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m an older rock fan, been that way all my life. It was only after I reached my adult years that I could buy better equipment, be it stereo or whatever. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been one that has been around loud noises all my life. Whether it was from woodworking tools and construction, or the military and artillery, or working around turbines, or listening to insanely loud music. </p>
<p>It was only later that I became aware of hearling loss and what it does. Now in the military it wasn&#8217;t unusual to have ear plugs and use them. But tell me it does much good around a turbine engine or even a turboprop. Military craft aren&#8217;t known for sound deadening. With the artillery, after an hour or two of firing, your eyeballs bulged out from the pressure the earplugs were putting on your internal makeup. You would have to dig the plugs out of your ears because sound pressure from the guns had pushed them in so far. </p>
<p>Mechanicing and operating turbine gas compressors (with the same engines used in helicopters) after 20 years takes its toll, even with ear plugs. Not only turbine but reciprocal engines that are two stories high with catwalks and ladders to reach the cylinders. Cylinders big enough that if they were removed you would have no trouble at all sliding down through to the base of the engine where the crankshaft is. When they run, every thing around them vibrates and the noise levels of the turbocharger are insane. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had car stereos that could play at volumes where you could feel your guts move to the sound pressure, where a free hanging shirt material would move from the sound pressure inside. It&#8217;s a wonder the glass remained inside the vehicle. </p>
<p>Or going to concerts, being right down on the front. For New Years, went to a city party. Live bands on a trailer stage for the crowds. The acoustical preformance was great, but when the next band fired up for their sets, I moved away, blocks away where I could still hear them playing. Up front the shrill high pitched noises were irratating to me. </p>
<p>I no longer hear as I once did as you can gather from the above. Yearly hearing tests showed that most of the higher end frequencies are severely affected. I still hear bass and voice level frequencies but even they are somewhat diminished over the normal hearing of average people. </p>
<p>It matters not the source, earphones, earplug headphones, or just plain loud noises. You hear them at insane levels of loudness, you will pay later without hearing protection. Worse, you won&#8217;t even notice it till like me. I find now that if two people are talking, or if the tv is on and some one is talking, I can&#8217;t tell who said what. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not bitching about what I&#8217;ve heard, much of it voluntary done on purpose. I&#8217;m saying if you value your hearing, think about it first. As loosing your hearing is a painless experience for most. You don&#8217;t even realise it is happening as it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28616</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your ears are hurting or ringing after listening then turn it down. If you step in to traffic and a car hits you, do not step into traffic. When my kids or myself go to a live show we bring ear plugs just incase it gets to loud. That does not happen much anymore as the sound at concerts is much better than in Townshend&#039;s big days. I do think that at concerts a good sound check should be done to provent ear damage in mind. Rock on Pete !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your ears are hurting or ringing after listening then turn it down. If you step in to traffic and a car hits you, do not step into traffic. When my kids or myself go to a live show we bring ear plugs just incase it gets to loud. That does not happen much anymore as the sound at concerts is much better than in Townshend&#8217;s big days. I do think that at concerts a good sound check should be done to provent ear damage in mind. Rock on Pete !</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 01:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen this story on other sites today. People seem to be confused about the cause of Pete (and Roger Daltrey&#039;s) hearing loss. Hearing loss is caused by excessive sound pressure levels at the ear drum over time. It does not matter at all what the source is. A poster commented that studio headphones can go louder than iPod earbuds. That may be true but don&#039;t kid yourselves, since earbuds are inserted directly into the ear canal they can easily be driven to damaging levels with typical portable mp3 players. All that time on a VERY loud stage had to have contributed to Mr. Townshend&#039;s problem as well. IMHO he stressed the headphone angle so people would make the connection to their own behaviour. He&#039;s right, your iPod can severely damage your hearing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen this story on other sites today. People seem to be confused about the cause of Pete (and Roger Daltrey&#8217;s) hearing loss. Hearing loss is caused by excessive sound pressure levels at the ear drum over time. It does not matter at all what the source is. A poster commented that studio headphones can go louder than iPod earbuds. That may be true but don&#8217;t kid yourselves, since earbuds are inserted directly into the ear canal they can easily be driven to damaging levels with typical portable mp3 players. All that time on a VERY loud stage had to have contributed to Mr. Townshend&#8217;s problem as well. IMHO he stressed the headphone angle so people would make the connection to their own behaviour. He&#8217;s right, your iPod can severely damage your hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28611</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, with studio headphones you can turn up the music volume much higher than you can with 5$ iPod earplugs. So its not the headphone that causes damage but the loud volume. I&#039;d turn it down or use protective earplugs (oropax e.g.) on stage if I have a loud instrument. It may take some time to be accustomed to the new sound, but you won&#039;t loose your hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, with studio headphones you can turn up the music volume much higher than you can with 5$ iPod earplugs. So its not the headphone that causes damage but the loud volume. I&#8217;d turn it down or use protective earplugs (oropax e.g.) on stage if I have a loud instrument. It may take some time to be accustomed to the new sound, but you won&#8217;t loose your hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look again. It&#039;s a post from his blog.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look again. It&#8217;s a post from his blog.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7501/comment-page-1#comment-28581</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!!  You guys have Peter Townsend writing for you now??!!  Totally awsome!  Welcome to the site Mr. Townsend, I&#039;ve been a fan of your music for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!!  You guys have Peter Townsend writing for you now??!!  Totally awsome!  Welcome to the site Mr. Townsend, I&#8217;ve been a fan of your music for years.</p>
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