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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31818</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive always found that Slyck tends to think for itself rather than get wrapped into this kind of politial mumbo jumbo.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31813</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>use your head.  pro RIAA stooges who&#039;d like nothing more than to harass someone for a fanatical cause.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31348</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 14:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For what it&#039;s worth, I have far better reasons than most people for not trusting members of the legal community but in my book, Beckerman - with whom I&#039;ve now spoken quite a few times - is an exception to the rule.&quot;

On what basis?  Ray Beckerman is not exactly what he portrays himself to be....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For what it&#8217;s worth, I have far better reasons than most people for not trusting members of the legal community but in my book, Beckerman &#8211; with whom I&#8217;ve now spoken quite a few times &#8211; is an exception to the rule.&#8221;</p>
<p>On what basis?  Ray Beckerman is not exactly what he portrays himself to be&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31309</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 07:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I personally think she should be able to use this for anything she needs, including utilities, house payment, food for her kids, etc.
 The financial backing of the &quot;Goliaths&quot; allow them to drag this out
as long as possible, causing it to be a financial drain in ALL areas of
her life. ALL AREAS.
 If she risks losing her home, she would have to back down.
 If she has to choose between food for her kids, and fighting,
 she may be forced to back down.

 This is happenening to her, partially, because an inhuman corporation can only judge her by it&#039;s own greedy example. A Corporation is incapable of trust. A Corporation onyl believes the absolute worst of anyone outside it&#039;s scope. That&#039;s why all downloaders are worse than thieves in their eyes.

 We are better than this.
 Yes, we have been burned before, but I AM willing to trust
 Patti, completely. Open the floodgate of trust. THAT will drown
 the greedy fucks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think she should be able to use this for anything she needs, including utilities, house payment, food for her kids, etc.<br />
 The financial backing of the &#8220;Goliaths&#8221; allow them to drag this out<br />
as long as possible, causing it to be a financial drain in ALL areas of<br />
her life. ALL AREAS.<br />
 If she risks losing her home, she would have to back down.<br />
 If she has to choose between food for her kids, and fighting,<br />
 she may be forced to back down.</p>
<p> This is happenening to her, partially, because an inhuman corporation can only judge her by it&#8217;s own greedy example. A Corporation is incapable of trust. A Corporation onyl believes the absolute worst of anyone outside it&#8217;s scope. That&#8217;s why all downloaders are worse than thieves in their eyes.</p>
<p> We are better than this.<br />
 Yes, we have been burned before, but I AM willing to trust<br />
 Patti, completely. Open the floodgate of trust. THAT will drown<br />
 the greedy fucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31226</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes, it is pretty apparent that RIAA propagandists have filled this site and that of Slyck.</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31147</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to fight the RIAA at every turn. If $20.00 makes it possible for Patti to fight, then I give her $20.00

I figure that you are getting at LEAST a $1.00 worth of entertainment arguing.

Send her a buck and maybe she&#039;ll give you something else to write about.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to fight the RIAA at every turn. If $20.00 makes it possible for Patti to fight, then I give her $20.00</p>
<p>I figure that you are getting at LEAST a $1.00 worth of entertainment arguing.</p>
<p>Send her a buck and maybe she&#8217;ll give you something else to write about.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31145</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That id not what I mean....I mean, if you are busted, you are on your own, that&#039;s the way it is supposed to be.
I do not support RIAA&#039;s actions but I&#039;d rtather be on a side of someone who has much more money that I do. It is too bad what is going on with Patricia. But let&#039;s see some facts:
If she looses. which is more than likely, then other people will be forced to pay shitload  of money instead of $3,500. Since any of you have downloaded/pirated (hmmmm....I mean, shared) on the amount of much more than this, it is a fair amount rather $150,000 per violation and/or jail time.

Also, she is defending herself. She DOES NOT NEED money right now. For her former lawyer? Doesn&#039;t look like she has to  pay money before the trial is over. If she wins, the RIAA picks up the tab. But if she looses.....And probably now she knows that she is in deep doo-doo, that&#039;s why she asks for money now because no one will give anything later, when she is defeated.
I hope I am wrong but it all looks this way.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That id not what I mean&#8230;.I mean, if you are busted, you are on your own, that&#8217;s the way it is supposed to be.<br />
I do not support RIAA&#8217;s actions but I&#8217;d rtather be on a side of someone who has much more money that I do. It is too bad what is going on with Patricia. But let&#8217;s see some facts:<br />
If she looses. which is more than likely, then other people will be forced to pay shitload  of money instead of $3,500. Since any of you have downloaded/pirated (hmmmm&#8230;.I mean, shared) on the amount of much more than this, it is a fair amount rather $150,000 per violation and/or jail time.</p>
<p>Also, she is defending herself. She DOES NOT NEED money right now. For her former lawyer? Doesn&#8217;t look like she has to  pay money before the trial is over. If she wins, the RIAA picks up the tab. But if she looses&#8230;..And probably now she knows that she is in deep doo-doo, that&#8217;s why she asks for money now because no one will give anything later, when she is defeated.<br />
I hope I am wrong but it all looks this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31085</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

I love the opportunity to have a stake in the outcome of the case.

Thanks for giving me a place to donate~

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<p>Thanks for giving me a place to donate~</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31084</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see it as this has just begun.

Everyday another Button shows up on a new web site.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it as this has just begun.</p>
<p>Everyday another Button shows up on a new web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31076</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$5000 is pittance. The Big Four are gonna get that and more from her, everyone knows that. She&#039;ll become the poster child for their scam. Everyone needs to stop supporting the media companies. Stop buying their music and movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$5000 is pittance. The Big Four are gonna get that and more from her, everyone knows that. She&#8217;ll become the poster child for their scam. Everyone needs to stop supporting the media companies. Stop buying their music and movies.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31070</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t want Patty worried about a single penny this RIAA suit has cost her. I hope she uses the money to pay for any legal costs.

Otherwise the pressure will force her to settle.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t want Patty worried about a single penny this RIAA suit has cost her. I hope she uses the money to pay for any legal costs.</p>
<p>Otherwise the pressure will force her to settle.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t imagine how much I&#039;d have to donate before I had this opinion.
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31068</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy visiting the web sites that post this button. 
I try to reward them by at least by reading their web page and clicking on google ads if they have any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy visiting the web sites that post this button.<br />
I try to reward them by at least by reading their web page and clicking on google ads if they have any.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-31008</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That person speaks for the RIAA because they&#039;re probably a spokeshole for the org!!!  Listen you RIAA, people were forced into buying CDs when Vinyl went away, now you bitch because people share music they bought legally, get lost!!!  Besides that, you can&#039;t prove Patti did anything, go to a jury trial and let&#039;s see it, scumbags!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That person speaks for the RIAA because they&#8217;re probably a spokeshole for the org!!!  Listen you RIAA, people were forced into buying CDs when Vinyl went away, now you bitch because people share music they bought legally, get lost!!!  Besides that, you can&#8217;t prove Patti did anything, go to a jury trial and let&#8217;s see it, scumbags!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-30972</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We had Patti&#039;s home address up a while ago, but she was being pestered so we had to take it down.&quot;

Is it to possible to ellaborate on how she was being pestered and by who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We had Patti&#8217;s home address up a while ago, but she was being pestered so we had to take it down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it to possible to ellaborate on how she was being pestered and by who?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-30969</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 06:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You people know perfectly what you are all into: piracy and violation of copyright law, and that is a crime, and don&#039;t ever pretend it is nothing like that.&quot;

Apparently, you don&#039;t know what is going on here.  The RIAA is going after and suing a lot of people who are innocent.  They really don&#039;t care what proof you have.  If they could go after Mrs. Santangelo, they could go after you just as easily.  If people stand up, they can change something.  Would you rather the RIAA is allowed to continue what they are doing and just keep destroying innocent people&#039;s lives?  That&#039;s what they are doing.  How would you like to have everything you have ever worked for or achieved taken away for something you have never done?  Until you have walked in her shoes,  you might not want to judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You people know perfectly what you are all into: piracy and violation of copyright law, and that is a crime, and don&#8217;t ever pretend it is nothing like that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Apparently, you don&#8217;t know what is going on here.  The RIAA is going after and suing a lot of people who are innocent.  They really don&#8217;t care what proof you have.  If they could go after Mrs. Santangelo, they could go after you just as easily.  If people stand up, they can change something.  Would you rather the RIAA is allowed to continue what they are doing and just keep destroying innocent people&#8217;s lives?  That&#8217;s what they are doing.  How would you like to have everything you have ever worked for or achieved taken away for something you have never done?  Until you have walked in her shoes,  you might not want to judge.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-30947</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work</description>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7622/comment-page-1#comment-30930</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYT talked to me last week for what I understand was/is to be a story. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s appeared yet, or even if it _will_ appear. 

Other than that, avoiding? I&#039;m just very, very busy and I haven&#039;t looked to see if Fight Goliath has been cited. If it hasn&#039;t, it will. Count on it.

Cheers! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYT talked to me last week for what I understand was/is to be a story. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s appeared yet, or even if it _will_ appear. </p>
<p>Other than that, avoiding? I&#8217;m just very, very busy and I haven&#8217;t looked to see if Fight Goliath has been cited. If it hasn&#8217;t, it will. Count on it.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So ... back to the original topic of this thread. Has the &quot;Fight Goliath&quot; Appeal been mentioned in the mainstream media? If so can anyone provide a link?

Are you unable to provide such a link Jon, or were you avoiding that question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8230; back to the original topic of this thread. Has the &#8220;Fight Goliath&#8221; Appeal been mentioned in the mainstream media? If so can anyone provide a link?</p>
<p>Are you unable to provide such a link Jon, or were you avoiding that question?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; You people know perfectly what you are all into: piracy and
&gt; violation of copyright law, and that is a crime, and don&#039;t ever
&gt; pretend it is nothing like that.

Sounds like you&#039;re missing one of the big points of this case:  neither Patricia Santangelo nor her children, by all the available evidence, have ever purposely shared a file, or wanted to.

So I&#039;m very interested in this case -- and I&#039;ve never shared a music file in my life, either (to my knowledge!)

The RIAA is going after an innocent bystander here, who has done nothing more than to _allegedly_ accidentally allow &quot;rogue&quot; use of her computer -- once -- possibly by a teenage friend of one of her children.  She wasn&#039;t technically savvy enough to catch this when it happened... if it happened; the RIAA has basically no valid evidence against her, since the computer that purportedly did the sharing is now defunct due to a virus.  But they&#039;re pursuing the case anyway, telling her that if she&#039;s really innocent she should find and name the real culprit!

Witch-hunt logic like this has absolutely no place in a country where the idea of &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; still holds -- and Ms. Santangelo is not exactly technically qualified to do detective work on behalf of the RIAA in any case.

&gt; It is not going to change anything, anyway.

Not true (in my not-a-lawyerly opinion).  There&#039;s a really good chance here to give a(nother) black eye to a group of corporate lawyers who are perverting the justice system to get their all-important message out there that &quot;file sharing is illegal&quot; -- and who have demonstrated very clearly that they don&#039;t care who gets hurt in the process... as long as none of their victims are rich enough to afford a good lawyer!

Here&#039;s the choice:  side with the RIAA and punish the guilty (and however many other people get caught in the crossfire) -- or side with Ms. Santangelo and protect innocent people from having their lives arbitrarily ruined.

-- And possibly let a few technically &quot;guilty&quot; people get away, yes; that&#039;s what &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; _means_.  But we&#039;re talking, at most, about a fairly small offense here.  All in favor of $3500 fines for littering, please stand up!  $7500 speeding tickets, maybe?  Speeders are at least increasing their risk of killing other people a _little_ bit; surely *they* deserve to be bankrupted by lawsuits more than a single mom who failed to notice six files getting copied onto her computer...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; You people know perfectly what you are all into: piracy and<br />
&gt; violation of copyright law, and that is a crime, and don&#8217;t ever<br />
&gt; pretend it is nothing like that.</p>
<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re missing one of the big points of this case:  neither Patricia Santangelo nor her children, by all the available evidence, have ever purposely shared a file, or wanted to.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m very interested in this case &#8212; and I&#8217;ve never shared a music file in my life, either (to my knowledge!)</p>
<p>The RIAA is going after an innocent bystander here, who has done nothing more than to _allegedly_ accidentally allow &#8220;rogue&#8221; use of her computer &#8212; once &#8212; possibly by a teenage friend of one of her children.  She wasn&#8217;t technically savvy enough to catch this when it happened&#8230; if it happened; the RIAA has basically no valid evidence against her, since the computer that purportedly did the sharing is now defunct due to a virus.  But they&#8217;re pursuing the case anyway, telling her that if she&#8217;s really innocent she should find and name the real culprit!</p>
<p>Witch-hunt logic like this has absolutely no place in a country where the idea of &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; still holds &#8212; and Ms. Santangelo is not exactly technically qualified to do detective work on behalf of the RIAA in any case.</p>
<p>&gt; It is not going to change anything, anyway.</p>
<p>Not true (in my not-a-lawyerly opinion).  There&#8217;s a really good chance here to give a(nother) black eye to a group of corporate lawyers who are perverting the justice system to get their all-important message out there that &#8220;file sharing is illegal&#8221; &#8212; and who have demonstrated very clearly that they don&#8217;t care who gets hurt in the process&#8230; as long as none of their victims are rich enough to afford a good lawyer!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the choice:  side with the RIAA and punish the guilty (and however many other people get caught in the crossfire) &#8212; or side with Ms. Santangelo and protect innocent people from having their lives arbitrarily ruined.</p>
<p>&#8211; And possibly let a few technically &#8220;guilty&#8221; people get away, yes; that&#8217;s what &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; _means_.  But we&#8217;re talking, at most, about a fairly small offense here.  All in favor of $3500 fines for littering, please stand up!  $7500 speeding tickets, maybe?  Speeders are at least increasing their risk of killing other people a _little_ bit; surely *they* deserve to be bankrupted by lawsuits more than a single mom who failed to notice six files getting copied onto her computer&#8230;!</p>
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