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p2p news / p2pnet: A while back we were told Bluetack may be blocking p2pnet. We haven’t gotten around to confirming this but meanwhile, here’s an email from p2pnet reader Silver163 on the subject of Bluetack and blocks.
Bluetack has become dedicated to finding blocking all anti-p2p orgnizations, fake servers, honey-pot sites, and so on. But I’ve lately seen many complaints saying Protowall and PG2 are blocking real p2p sites (PG2 at the moment is using BlueTack’s list until its own comes back online).
The first few times I didn’t think much of it. But as I begun to see more and more individuals having trouble with Protowall, I began to wonder what the issue was.
Contacting BlueTack direct, I got the response that I should simply place the IP on the permanent allow list. No reason for this block had been specified.
Later on the www.sharethefiles.com p2p forum I read a threat from one of the admins saying not to piss off one of the Bluetack staff (Moore was the username of the staff member) or his site’s IP would be blacklisted.
I ‘ve seen on forums that members who are also admins of torrent and ed2k sites are becoming blacklisted after an arguement with a Bluetack staff member.
Take for example: www.gamerstorrents.com, www.life-is-sharing.com, www.oink.me.uk, and www.bt-chat.com.
What does this all mean? That Bluetack isn’t blocking only IPs of anti-p2p organizations and such, but also real p2p sites .
You’ve probably seen sites such as oink.me.uk, gamerstorrents.com, mybittorrent.com being blocked. This is not accidental. Bluetack staff members are blocking legit p2p sites.
Why should you care?
Right now, there are several IPs of legit p2p sites on these blocklists and it’s pretty easy to remove them. But the lists of legit IPs is growing, and soon these lists will become worthless, since your favorite site will become blocked. This will mean that you as the user will have to sort it all out.
What should you do?
At the moment there isn’t much. But there are several things you can do and set the mood for Bluetack and force them to change their habits.
Don’t use Protowall. Instead, use PG2 PG2 not to block http sites, but to simply block IPs that try to come in contact with your machine other than http.
Use this method until Phoenixlabs (formerly known as Methlabs) begins to use its lists, which by their reports will happen soon.
Complain to Bluetack, be loud, and be heard!
Silver163
We’ve contacted Bluetack for a response to this. Stay tuned.
January 19th, 2006 at 11:42 pm
Bluetack’s response:
We will add P2Pnet.net to the HTTP blocklist per your request as soon as one of our admins has a chance. Thanks for playing…
January 20th, 2006 at 2:45 am
Yeah this is pretty true. I also noticed that more and more ips of real p2p sites are being blocked and i seen this threat from bluetack before.
January 20th, 2006 at 6:45 am
News a bit slow this week or something Jon ?
All I can say is this , we are in a war and in a war there are casualties.. What we are offering is a whole lot more than just P2P protection and I think many people seem to miss this.
Naturally , people that arent happy with our methods , applications and IP research , and they arent willing to help out in our own community to make things better , but prefer to just talk sh!t about us can just go somewhere else …
We are doing this to help protect people from all kinds of dangers on the internet and we will continue to do so.
It’s a full time job to administrate over four million IP addresses that change regularly.. give it a try sometime and see how you go.
Seriously we dont specifically target p2p sites to be blocked , often its just from a range being added for a different reason , which unfortunately happens to block a good site , and if someone points it out it will get fixed.. If no one lets us know and we dont visit that site ourselves , then it will stay blocked.. It’s true. We do fix these things..
All you need to do is ask nicely , [ some people find this hard ] and get the attention of an admin. It’s that simple. We are usually busy so not everything will get fixed immediately .
Most of the hard working staff at Bluetack are active in the p2p community and to say that we have purposely blocked sites like oink and mybittorrent is a load of sh!t. We are members of these sites ourselves.
We welcome any reports of blocked sites , there is a whole forum section available for this reason.
The evolution of p2p for me means that you “shouldnt” need to rely on loading a “P2P” block list into an application like Blockpost/PG2/Protowall that will also filter your HTTP traffic..
There are increasing number of P2P apps that support IP filters and will not restrict your HTTP traffic.. the P2P blocklist is intented for P2P apps , this fact escapes most people.
Level 1 blocklist = It’s not designed for browsing the web as some braniac people are starting to notice.. and not blocking Http at all will just leave one more avenue for the scumbags out there to exploit if your p2p app allow connections on port 80.
Also still waiting to be contacted .. hello ?? Anyone there ?
Moore - Admin @ Bluetack.
January 20th, 2006 at 10:35 am
Don’t quite get this. I use Protowall, and bluetack’s lists, and I have never had a problem coming to P2Pnet.net.
Confused..
January 20th, 2006 at 11:04 am
haha..
“Its always the sites they had issues with ”
So your saying every IP we block is because we just dont like them personally .. you have no idea what youre even talking about.
January 20th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
haha…
if you would only block every ip you have personal issues with then no one would be using your blocklists or would even know you.
its not that ONLY ips are blocked of who you have personal issues with, but its the anti-p2p, i suggest you read the article more.
January 20th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
It isn’t talking about p2pnet.net it is talking about other sites.
January 20th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
Moore I have seen you threaten users on sharethefiles.com for posting their sites in the general forum. They didn’t exactly advertise them they just wanted to show them off, now you took the time to add their site’s ips to the blocklists. Even if you are going to denie this then what about the fact it happens to often, some time ago I had trouble going on mybittorrent.com, oink.me.uk, and gamerstorrents.com when only running protowall. It happens TOO often, and is my I writen this article. I have asked PheonixLabs if they believed this and some of the users about this and they did confirm that such things do happen and thats why they use PG2 not protowall.
—Silver163
January 21st, 2006 at 9:57 am
I’ve been a faithful of ip blocklists for a long time. Ever since PG1 was around. I moved to Protowall for many reasons that would be old hat to the PG1 crowd and which they addressed in PG2 for the most part. I moved again from Protowall to PG2 when changes in my home network began to make it difficult to use the Protowall drivers. Just prefrence more than anything. I’ve found a few IP’s mixed in that should be open but mostly not a lot. When I ran into those I knew should be open, I edited the blocklist and made that change. (What I didn’t do is go bother the folks that made the list.) This wasn’t because I felt either site would be opposed to hearing of this or that IP that shouldn’t be on the list. Maybe for the most part they should have. Mostly those blocked appeared to be ranges and not single IP addresses. I would presume there was a reason for that. I still use the blocklists from both makers and I for one would thank them for the efforts we get to enjoy for free.
I do want to make it very plain, I have no affilation to either maker beyond the idea I use their products, at my choice, my way. Neither of these makers had to do that but they do allow it.
I don’t haunt either of the makers forums. So I can’t vouch for this sort of action of blocking in retaliation. To be honest it doesn’t strike me as the sort of thing either would do. I guess if one day I find I have to edit the list to allow access to this site then I might at that point have a different opinion. Till that time comes, I will remain a steadfast user of both products.
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:49 am
I think the article just needs a re-write with “actual facts”
January 22nd, 2006 at 9:44 am
No I wont deny that I’ve blocked people who post links that they shouldnt have.
Sure, I ‘ve blocked lots of bad people’s sites, and not just from STF..
Thats just part of my job as an administrator/moderator to keep all our sites running clean and free from morons , troublemakers and hit and run link spammers.
If you had a website/forum of your own you would realise that not everyone comes to your site to be nice or follow the rules.
You must have a good memory cause the 4 years I’ve been at stf I’ve prob added maybe two or three people’s websites to a public blocklist , including all the sites by that lesres a-hole & crew who like to exploit all the people that visit their sites to download crappy reshacked klite progs.
Anyone who goes and hosts spyware & hijacks on their [p2p] sites , or breaks the rules of any forum I work at by posting dodgy links will suffer the consequences.
As I’ve already said , we dont block legit sites intentionally and never have , if & when mistakes are made they get fixed. We are only human.
Did you make a post at the Bluetack forums to let anyone know at the time , that those sites or any others you knew of were invalid blocks ?
And C’mon , what has protowall got to do with any of this .. It only blocks what you load into it ?? It never hurt anyone.. PW protects people at the lowest possible system level as best it can.
People are free to make their own choices about what they want to use for protection , as long as they use something I dont care what it is. [ use Blockpost
]
If you need to let someone know of anymore sites wrongly blocked , at least come and inform someone on the irc channel if you cant make it into the forum.
irc://irc.zirc.org/bluetack
http://www.bluetack.co.uk/irc.html
Also thanks for getting in touch with us Jon , if p2p.net was blocked at some point it was definitely not intentional. Interserver is not currently listed as blocked in our database.
Peace ,
Moo®e
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 am
How about the fact that you have blocked sites after the administrator had not allowed you to take control over the site or become a moderator or adminstrator?
I have seen pms and logs, so would you like to explain that?
—Silver163
January 24th, 2006 at 3:20 am
Your rants are becoming more than childish.
Which administrator? There are only five and I’m one of them. We’re not 12 years old. We don’t make a block entry based on a personal issue, however tempting you may make it.
Your hallucinations of us wanting to control you and your site is rediculous. You’ll need to be a bit more specific about your accusations.
No one on our team has time to moderate, administer, regulate, or even post on your site.
I suggest you take your medication and get some rest.
- Tozz
January 24th, 2006 at 3:25 am
Nobody at Bluetack has time to be an administrator at your site. Give the spam a rest. Post some logs or take a nap.
January 24th, 2006 at 3:32 am
“been given a choice to whehter delete the ratio system off one of the members of Bluetack or my site will be blacklisted”
Who is this evil admin that has banned you and your entire race from the face of creation?? Do you have a log of that conversation?
Why is your ratio’d site so important? For how long will p2pnet allow you to spam your uniquely blocked site? 3 links in one post… sheesh.
- Tozz
January 24th, 2006 at 5:18 am
Well give us all of the facts not just little bits of nothing , who was the staff member ?
January 24th, 2006 at 6:12 am
trust the owner/op of gamerstorrents to post this crap. This i just a disgruntled n00b, yes xforce I know who you are you virii/trojan spreader. You are silly your site has been checked and found wanting……..
besides, do really want me to allow a range hosted by savvid ffs, can you say fingers in the pie……….
therefore fix your ways and stop spreadin bad stuff. when u do im sure the guys at bluetack will remove the site from the blocklist.
PS u change your nic once a week……I wonder why………
January 24th, 2006 at 7:20 am
“How about the fact that you have blocked sites after the administrator had not allowed you to take control over the site or become a moderator or adminstrator?
I have seen pms and logs, so would you like to explain that?
—Silver163″
No Silver I cant explain any of your lies. And I wont even try.
I would ask for the PM logs but you would probably just forge them and put my name on them. OI have never even been to gamerstorrenst and never will .. I dont even have time to play games let alone sit around on your site and play admin.
If you think I would want to be associated with that site you must be high on drugs or just a moron to believe that..
How can you prove that it was even a staff member from bluetack.. It certainly was not any admin from Bluetack.
I can tell you now the sites I am a admin or mod of , ouytpost firewall forum , spyware warrior , gladiator security , Bluetack , ASAP , and STF , I never needed to ask for anything to become part of the staff , it was given to me based on what I do for those sites and the help I try to provide.
Basically you can kiss my ass all you mofos and hope you all rot in hell for these lies and bullshit you are trying to spread through this site..
WHY IS THIS EVEN NEWS JON ?? .. WHEN WILL YOU DO SOME DAMN RESEARCH INTO THIS BULLSHIT MAN !!! WHERE ARE THEIR FACTS COMING FROM… OUT OF THEIR ASS THATS WHERE !!!
THIS IS REALLY STARTING TO PISS ME OFF THAT PEOPLE LIKE THESE GUYS CAN SPREAD LIES ABOUT ME AND OUR SITE THROUGH YOUR SITE AND YOU TOTALLY ALLOW IT , WTF!!!!!!!! THANKS A LOT MAN .. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
had quite enough of this bullshit lol , WE KNOW THE TRUTH !
January 24th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
I have blocked that site and yes it was due to disrespecting our staff members and not allowing us to have that no ratio system, which you failed to produce. Our staff had done everyting to protect your site and you have balatantly disrespected us by not giving what we have asked for. For this we have chosen to place your site on permanent block list.
Jon this is old news and it isn’t important, I suggest everyone get over it.
Peace ,
Moo®e
January 24th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
Moore it is a BIG issue because you have simply thought that you could get whatever you wanted because you are the staff member of Bluetack. I chosn to denie that request, for the fact that you DONE NOTHING to help our site other than to continue to release the blocklists. and I haven’t used any of your blocklists.
///Xcape
January 24th, 2006 at 4:28 pm
Tozz you comment is completely pointless.
1. There are sites that blocked both on purpose and on accident
2. I DO NOT know the admin who had banned me, and no there are no logs as i didn’t expect to be banned. At first I had believed that this was a simply mistake that occured and I believed the user who sent me the pm was someone who was lieing and wasn’t being serious. There are logs of the pm though.
3. Why is my site important? Why are you important? Why is bittorrent important? To some my site is important to others its not.
Before you make another comment I suggest you get your questions and facts straight. Other than simply posting and asking pointless questions, think straight.
January 24th, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Bluetack previously noted p2pnet.net as an informative site, I believe. However, in light of this, I don’t think I’ll be recommending p2pnet.net to anyone. There are several other excellent sources of information on the web and in newsgroups.
Like most protective computer utilities (SpywareBlaster, Ad-Aware, your choice of firewall, PestPatrol, your choice of AV, IE-SPYAD, etc.), the BLM and ProtoWall require setup and configuration. PeerGuardian requires configuration as well. Even the best firewall, improperly configured, is a very dangerous security risk. People must learn how to use the tools. Most people get broadband and Windows XP and just run with it, not realizing their settings, by default, are meant to allow about anything.
What should be done is people should learn how to allow their tools to protect them and still allow computer use. RTFM. Then, apply your settings. Then TEST your applied settings! Never assume something someone said somewhere (same applies to me here) is correct.
Saying Bluetack blocks p2pnet.net is like saying you know that last backup (which you never tested or verified) will save your bacon. And if you don’t realize what’s wrong with that statement you haven’t been using computers very long.
January 25th, 2006 at 9:55 pm
Wait a minute, are you telling me you had a personal problem. PERSONAL PROBLEM. Key word is PERSONAL if you haven’t realized. And by blocking him/his site/whatever you have blocked him PUBLICLY. Which is completely wrong. Dumb in my opnion. It shows a reckless use of power.
January 27th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
It aint exactly rocket science - just unblock the IP addy yourselves - ya bunch o whiners.
January 27th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
Been using the blocklists for ages, if ya don’t understand how it works, why not take some time to find out rather than slinging abuse at people who are trying hard to do something VERY useful.
Cheers Moore and all the others, keep up the good work, don’t succumb to all this trolling, it aint worth it.
January 28th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
What is the status of bluetack.co.uk/invalidip
Where do those invalid IPs get reported to?
February 7th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
If I could, I would ban xforce from the Internet. As it stands, I have to settle for banning him on STF.
EclipseGSX
ShareTheFiles.com Administrator
February 7th, 2006 at 11:02 pm
I used to be Admin of STF/FTC, I never received any threats of any kind when Moore was asked to join our staff, (We asked him) Moore has given a fantastic contribution to the P2P scene and doing so without any requests and has always been of good character in my experience. I retired from the administration as it was too time consuming, I knew I could do so with people like Moore working on the site, are you sure its Moore or someone else making requests or the like here?
I’m not looking to take sides or cause more arguments but I thought I should point out my experience with Moore and the bluetack team.
NiKEUS
any of you can contact me via nikeus {-at-} sharethefiles.org if you like. No one asked me to come here, I actually saw this post mentioned on a totally different site.
February 8th, 2006 at 4:14 am
Exactly , you cant give out the name because you just dont know.. It could have been anyone..
February 8th, 2006 at 4:27 am
Hi , I hope you brought popcorn and something to drink ..
Welcome to this weeks episode of p2pnet circus..
Feel free to take part , as you will see you dont need to have any real information or proof to post here , we will settle for anything as news.
So , sit back and take a cruise through the following comments , where you will find all kinds of lies , hallucinations and honest injun bullshit thrown against the hardworking members of the non profit security community B.I.S.S. [ www.bluetack.co.uk ] who work tirelessly to help protect the privacy of all internet users …
Proudly sponsored by p2pnet.net , the mpaa and riaa and with a special mention from the FBI’s fav site gamers torrrnts..
Have a nice day
February 8th, 2006 at 4:58 am
I think the people at bluetack should get some award for blocking this guy, good call, whoever this was who blocked him.
http://www.bluetack.co.uk
I have been using these peoples lists for like 2 years now after getting a letter from my isp saying baytsp had found me sharing a certain file. I know thew people at http://www.bluetack.co.uk These people know what they are doing.
This xforce guy is causing problems all over the place, he needs a good spanking and sent home to mama.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:06 am
Actually I’m not telling you anything , you are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions based on other peoples lies spread about through this story.. so chill out buddy !
Whoever that was , it sure wasnt me posting that shit
And dont make double posts or your IP will be blacklisted.. 
Really I dont know why you ever doubted me… shame on you !
Go here to read my real comments , not more lies spread by these kids..
http://www.p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=7662&comment=31572
http://www.p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=7662&comment=32158
Ok .. thats all ..
A big fck you to all these haters in the place, you know who you are , trying to get free advertising for a shitty little illegal downloads site…. lets see what the bsa + siaa thinks of it , oh hang on they already know about it , since they helped set it up.
Final warning to all you people out there that will believe anything , well, dont believe everything you read on this site. and always use a proxy , you dont know what the people on shady sites like G-T will do with your information.
yes this was a free public Moore announcement , for the real story go here -> http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=12869 <-
Todays lucky lotto numbers are 6 6 and yes 6.. supplementary number 108 , lucky colours are red and more red..
Say no to spam and illegitimate torrent sites posing as safe.
Moore -www.bluetack.co.uk - often imitated , never equalled
February 8th, 2006 at 5:08 am
This story is so funny.
http://bluetack.co.uk are the bad guys? OMFG who are you kiddin.
Next thing out of this psychotic xforces mouth is prolly gonna be something like they wanted his first born son to get unblocked. and that http://bluetack.co.uk is threatening to block the whole internet.
c’mon lets get serious, this xforce guy is a nut.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:14 am
Oh get a life moron , that crap has already been covered in my real posts here:
http://www.p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=7662&comment=31572
http://www.p2pnet.net/index.php?page=comment&story=7662&comment=32158
All this just proves me right when I say you people are only capable of lies -
Go here to see a real example of how easy it is to get a review of a possible invalid IP block.. http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=12986
February 8th, 2006 at 5:22 am
Gamerstorrents
Online Since 2006-01-17
Registered users 5
Torrents 0
Peers 0
Seeders 0
Leechers 0
Seeder/leecher ratio (%) 0
Total Downloaded 0.00 kB
Total Uploaded 0.00 kB
February 8th, 2006 at 5:28 am
All I can say is that no one ever connected me in IRC or on the forum , so stop wasting your time trying to pretend anything else .. we just want the facts , not a bunch of maybe stories and your little kiddy games.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:37 am
lol, get a life Xcape..
yeah , yeah …You know why I have DONE NOTHING!! on your site , cause I couldnt give too sh!ts about your site lol..
Get that through your thick head moron. I have never been there and I never will.. Mate I wouldnt piss on your site if it was on fire , why would I want to join it and be the admin.. LOL, your even dumber than you sound.
It’s bad enough you chose a government hosting site to run your little illegal site on , but accusing us of trying to blackmail you just tops it all off.. get some urgent medical help immediately !! please..
You can play this game as long as you want , the longer it goes on the more people are going to see what kind of lamers you guys are.
February 8th, 2006 at 5:48 am
Tis best to not do as he did (xforce) is not a smart person.
He bring it on. tis no good.
March 3rd, 2006 at 2:15 pm
quote:
p2p news / p2pnet: A while back we were told Bluetack may be blocking p2pnet. We haven’t gotten around to confirming this ..
Dont you think you should at least try and confirm something in this story before publishing total bullshit.. Aren’ t any of you guys here interested in being a quality news site or what ?
On the most part p2pnet has excellent articles , but someone must have smoked too much crack on the day to let this one through.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:23 pm
quote:
p2p news / p2pnet: A while back we were told Bluetack may be blocking p2pnet. We haven’t gotten around to confirming this ..
Dont you think you should at least try and confirm something in this story before publishing total bullshit.. Aren’ t any of you guys here interested in being a quality news site or what ?
On the most part p2pnet has excellent articles , but someone must have smoked too much crack on the day to let this one through.
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:27 pm
What no comeback for this ? If your going to start something against me you should at least have the balls to follow it through.
F.U.C.K Y.O.U
March 3rd, 2006 at 3:29 pm
Go back and read it again , or get your mommy to read it for you..
Bluetack and blocks
p2p news / p2pnet: A while back we were told Bluetack may be blocking p2pnet. We haven’t gotten around to confirming this but meanwhile, here’s an email from p2pnet reader Silver163 on the subject of Bluetack and blocks
April 22nd, 2006 at 6:44 am
There is no HTTP blocklist moron , the blocklists cover all internet protocols , depending on the software used.
And even though p2pnet has failed in it’s attempt to do any actual research, actually obviously they couldnt be bothered to even find out before posting this trash , Bluetack still wont be adding them to any blocklist.
I’m a p2pnet reader , if I sent in an email claiming that jon was a convicted paedophile would you still publish that without a care in the world, or would you want to know if it was true or not.?? ..
I bet you wouldn’t see it posted as news.
This story proves to me that this site is sham , all you are good for is copying news from other places and subjecting your visitors to bad advertisements.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:08 am
Agreed, xforce needs to go on bluetack blocklist. I don’t trust him one bit knowing that peerguardian has sold us out with their pawned “improved” blocklist. Bluetack do their homework. I’m keeping the old source code for prosperity whilst they sell out there p2p brothers for a dollar.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Agreed, xforce needs to go on bluetack blocklist. I don’t trust him one bit knowing that peerguardian has sold us out with their pawned “improved” blocklist. Bluetack do their homework. I’m keeping the old source code for prosperity whilst they sell out there p2p brothers for a dollar.
October 18th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
well put
since when is a news article posting someone’s email about claims with no credible evidence to back them up?
not to mention the motives behind the originator of the email
October 19th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
“Right now, there are several IPs of legit p2p sites on these blocklists and it’s pretty easy to remove them. But the lists of legit IPs is growing, and soon these lists will become worthless, since your favorite site will become blocked. This will mean that you as the user will have to sort it all out.”
Could you tell us how, blocking legitimate “P2p sites” can make the blocklists “worthless”?
To be honest, I’d be happier with blocklists that block the WHOLE internet, except maybe the user’s ISP IP range(s). Could be done with some sort of script I’m sure…and then, provide indepth documentation of how, why, and when to use an allow/exclusion list to “allow” IPs to connect.
Users need to be more aware of the computers they are connecting to on the Internet.