Comments on: BBC p2p file sharing farce http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:00:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32776 Reader's Write Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:54:42 +0000 #comment-32776 John Kennedy says: As it happens, I never did copy music off the radio - I was lucky enough to have a great record collection thanks to my brothers and sisters". Would this not be an example of copyright infringement? He should have bought his own legal copies of the music instead of "stealing" it from his siblings... John Kennedy says: As it happens, I never did copy music off the radio – I was lucky enough to have a great record collection thanks to my brothers and sisters”.

Would this not be an example of copyright infringement? He should have bought his own legal copies of the music instead of “stealing” it from his siblings…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32730 Reader's Write Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:02:30 +0000 #comment-32730 I would just like to ask the panel, would the music scene be much healthier all round if we gassed the fucking lot of you? I would just like to ask the panel, would the music scene be much healthier all round if we gassed the fucking lot of you?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32692 Reader's Write Sat, 28 Jan 2006 04:16:46 +0000 #comment-32692 "The majority of costs incurred by our record companies are for making and marketing the music itself - and these remain the same regardless of how it's delivered. Artists, composers and all those involved in recording and marketing a track all still need to get paid." Well, at least the part about the cost to distribute being miniscule is true. However, what Kennedy didn't mention is that artists actually make very little from cd sales, most of their money comes from tours. And last time I checked, MTV was baisically free advertising space for the record companies. The rest of that $15 you just spent on a new cd is lining Kennedy's pocket. "p2p file-sharing is...distributing perfect digital copies of songs over the internet to millions of people" wait, wait, I thought that pirated music "feature inferior audio or contain viruses". "illegal downloading hurts all those whose job it is to create, develop and record music" Unless Kennedy has put out a solo album I don't know about, I am confident that none of the money I payed for a cd ended up going to the artist. "Apple do not licence their DRM and are instead electing to create a hardware trap for consumers" Damn those bad people over at Apple. Instead of paying huge fees to use an inferior DRM standard, they elected to use a superior open-sourced standard. Shame on them. “The majority of costs incurred by our record companies are for making and marketing the music itself – and these remain the same regardless of how it’s delivered. Artists, composers and all those involved in recording and marketing a track all still need to get paid.”

Well, at least the part about the cost to distribute being miniscule is true. However, what Kennedy didn’t mention is that artists actually make very little from cd sales, most of their money comes from tours. And last time I checked, MTV was baisically free advertising space for the record companies. The rest of that $15 you just spent on a new cd is lining Kennedy’s pocket.

“p2p file-sharing is…distributing perfect digital copies of songs over the internet to millions of people”

wait, wait, I thought that pirated music “feature inferior audio or contain viruses”.

“illegal downloading hurts all those whose job it is to create, develop and record music”

Unless Kennedy has put out a solo album I don’t know about, I am confident that none of the money I payed for a cd ended up going to the artist.

“Apple do not licence their DRM and are instead electing to create a hardware trap for consumers”

Damn those bad people over at Apple. Instead of paying huge fees to use an inferior DRM standard, they elected to use a superior open-sourced standard. Shame on them.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32591 Reader's Write Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:03:22 +0000 #comment-32591 "The costs you lose in manufacturing, packaging and distribution are insignificant in comparison to the major costs in bringing an album to market - namely A&R, business affairs, recording, touring support, radio & TV plugging, marketing, promotion, taxes and all the other business overheads." LIE. Virtually all these costs are paid by the artists. "Without DRM, the explosion in the availability of music via digital channels would not have been possible. The purpose of DRM is not to alienate music fans, it is actually to improve your access to music." LIE. I don't even need to explain that one. Gawd, I can't believe he squeezed out that wopper with a straght face! "To me, if you steal music you can't be a real music fan." LIE. First off, who says filesharing is stealing? And even if it were legally defined as such that statement is bare faced bullshit. "To address the file-sharing issue, we have been working hard to provide a "carrot" - attempting to attract people from file-sharing networks by providing a better experience." They call suing their customers "providing a carrot". Go figure... “The costs you lose in manufacturing, packaging and distribution are insignificant in comparison to the major costs in bringing an album to market – namely A&R, business affairs, recording, touring support, radio & TV plugging, marketing, promotion, taxes and all the other business overheads.”

LIE. Virtually all these costs are paid by the artists.

“Without DRM, the explosion in the availability of music via digital channels would not have been possible. The purpose of DRM is not to alienate music fans, it is actually to improve your access to music.”

LIE. I don’t even need to explain that one. Gawd, I can’t believe he squeezed out that wopper with a straght face!

“To me, if you steal music you can’t be a real music fan.”

LIE. First off, who says filesharing is stealing? And even if it were legally defined as such that statement is bare faced bullshit.

“To address the file-sharing issue, we have been working hard to provide a “carrot” – attempting to attract people from file-sharing networks by providing a better experience.”

They call suing their customers “providing a carrot”. Go figure…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32546 Reader's Write Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:31:22 +0000 #comment-32546 This should have been titled 'A Broadcast on Behalf of the Establishment'. A more balanced line up would have included representatives from the independent record companies or AIM, the non major label controlled services like Wippit and even the odd musician. Everyone in the record business knows that digital files shouls cost less than physical (but don't), that DRM'd files sell less than non-protected MP3s and that the demographic that uses P2P networks is the same as those that home taping and 'killing music' 20 years ago (21 and under). However, the PR team that put this together doesn't want that to be the story... This should have been titled ‘A Broadcast on Behalf of the Establishment’.

A more balanced line up would have included representatives from the independent record companies or AIM, the non major label controlled services like Wippit and even the odd musician.

Everyone in the record business knows that digital files shouls cost less than physical (but don’t), that DRM’d files sell less than non-protected MP3s and that the demographic that uses P2P networks is the same as those that home taping and ‘killing music’ 20 years ago (21 and under).

However, the PR team that put this together doesn’t want that to be the story…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32507 Reader's Write Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:37:33 +0000 #comment-32507 How much does the bbc cost you? Cause we have the abc down here and the last time the govt "informed" us how much it was costing was approx 8 cents per day. There's only one tv channel plus possibly a digital version which may or may not have been cancelled due to budget cutbacks, and a couple of radio stations, jjj and radio national. Of course we don't know how much exactly because it's always been taken out of our taxes. There's no license down here just lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of ads. The same ads over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. During the one show. Which is why i stopped watching tv over 8 maybe 9 years ago now. How much does the bbc cost you? Cause we have the abc down here and the last time the govt “informed” us how much it was costing was approx 8 cents per day. There’s only one tv channel plus possibly a digital version which may or may not have been cancelled due to budget cutbacks, and a couple of radio stations, jjj and radio national.

Of course we don’t know how much exactly because it’s always been taken out of our taxes. There’s no license down here just lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of ads. The same ads over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. During the one show.

Which is why i stopped watching tv over 8 maybe 9 years ago now.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32502 Reader's Write Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:42:17 +0000 #comment-32502 The scary thing is I'm starting to wonder if they are starting to believe their own bullshit. You can see this by the cartels actions with drm and lawsuits. Totally irrational behaviour if you had a logical brain. But if they actually believe the stuff they are shoveling then their brainless actions kinda make sense. I think their living in a fantasy land. The scary thing is I’m starting to wonder if they are starting to believe their own bullshit. You can see this by the cartels actions with drm and lawsuits. Totally irrational behaviour if you had a logical brain. But if they actually believe the stuff they are shoveling then their brainless actions kinda make sense. I think their living in a fantasy land.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32486 Reader's Write Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:34:11 +0000 #comment-32486 "Without DRM, the explosion in the availability of music via digital channels would not have been possible." LMAO. The explosion was because of p2p and the LACK of DRM. Stupid record execs. “Without DRM, the explosion in the availability of music via digital channels would not have been possible.”

LMAO. The explosion was because of p2p and the LACK of DRM. Stupid record execs.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32475 Reader's Write Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:02:31 +0000 #comment-32475 I couldn't find anyone on that "panel" who had any remotely interesting thoughts on technology. It was all "NOW" is great, just shut up and buy what we come out with. Style, accuracy and grammar feedback form: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3950000/newsid_3955200/3955259.stm Formal complaint: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/complaints/handle_complaint.pl I couldn’t find anyone on that “panel” who had any remotely interesting thoughts on technology. It was all “NOW” is great, just shut up and buy what we come out with.

Style, accuracy and grammar feedback form:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3950000/newsid_3955200/3955259.stm

Formal complaint:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/complaints/handle_complaint.pl

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32470 Reader's Write Thu, 26 Jan 2006 02:22:34 +0000 #comment-32470 I wish they would address some tougher questions like these: Why do you say that "illegal content found on file-sharing networks may feature inferior audio or contain viruses" when you are trying to discourage file-sharers, but when you complain about industry 'losses', suddenly the public is "distributing perfect digital copies of songs over the internet"? How can you say "it's not an issue when people make small numbers of copies for their own use" when you are loading your CDs and online tracks full of DRM to prevent even fair-use copying? Why are you not happy unless you are screwing artists, consumers and everyone in-between out of every cent you can get? I wish they would address some tougher questions like these:

Why do you say that “illegal content found on file-sharing networks may feature inferior audio or contain viruses” when you are trying to discourage file-sharers, but when you complain about industry ‘losses’, suddenly the public is “distributing perfect digital copies of songs over the internet”?

How can you say “it’s not an issue when people make small numbers of copies for their own use” when you are loading your CDs and online tracks full of DRM to prevent even fair-use copying?

Why are you not happy unless you are screwing artists, consumers and everyone in-between out of every cent you can get?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32464 Reader's Write Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:35:27 +0000 #comment-32464 "I'm sure many, if not all, of us have taped a song from the radio or burnt a CD. But that's fine - and it's not an issue when people make small numbers of copies for their own use." of course it's not an issue as they think DRM will eliminate this....they also think the emporers new cloths are the cats ass. “I’m sure many, if not all, of us have taped a song from the radio or burnt a CD. But that’s fine – and it’s not an issue when people make small numbers of copies for their own use.”

of course it’s not an issue as they think DRM will eliminate this….they also think the emporers new cloths are the cats ass.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32460 Reader's Write Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:16:39 +0000 #comment-32460 Sounds like a corporate Q & A session to me. Quite farce indeed. The BBC televison licence has now offically been classed as a tax (which we all knew anyways). If it can't compete without a forced state tax it shouldn't exist, it's that simple. I mean even if you don't even watch the BBC channels you still have to pay for their ridiculously bloated licence fee. Thats why i watch tv using my computer monitor + tv card now. I won't be paying their pathetic taxes :) Sounds like a corporate Q & A session to me. Quite farce indeed.

The BBC televison licence has now offically been classed as a tax (which we all knew anyways). If it can’t compete without a forced state tax it shouldn’t exist, it’s that simple.

I mean even if you don’t even watch the BBC channels you still have to pay for their ridiculously bloated licence fee.

Thats why i watch tv using my computer monitor + tv card now. I won’t be paying their pathetic taxes :)

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32458 Reader's Write Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:06:23 +0000 #comment-32458 "When you use an unauthorised file-sharing service you are effectively acting as a 'mass distributor' as whenever you're online, every other user around the world has the ability to access your hard drive and take what's on it." It is an incredible statement. Surely no copyright infringement lawsuit could make this farce of a claim. It is even more incredible considering that John Kennedy's organization works for Sony interests. You want to see a real infringing mass distributor at work? Visit my site and look at the lawsuit we filed against RIAA member Sony in 2001 (yes, five years ago) for using our songs without a license. Sony has not even stopped the selling of their pirate copies of songs (on many recordings) we own even though they are adults, fully aware that they are infringing, profiting from the sales, and they have full knowledge of the copyright law as it applies to records. See here: http://rafa_venegas.web.prdigital.com/venegas_v_sony_lawsuit.htm I wonder why John Kennedy doesn't say that the making and selling of millions of blank CDs per day is "Not quite the same as making a compilation for your girlfriend on Valentine's Day...". Surely the availability of blank recording media is the biggest threat (really unstoppable) of the music industry's obsolete distribution model. My guess as to wht RIAA is not attacking the sellers of blank CDs is because these are financially and legally stronger than the copyright cartels. BTW, the "Not quite the same as making a compilation for your girlfriend on Valentine's Day..." suggests that RIAA thinks that copying one record with 10 songs is all right. Separately the record companies are saying that they can sue for $150,000 for each of the songs copied illegally, or $1,500,000. Why the different messages? The movie companies claim a copier can be fined $250,000 for copying one single movie, per their terror warning on DVDs. I wonder how much would that be for a copy of a movie for "your girlfriend on Valentine's Day". Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “When you use an unauthorised file-sharing service you are effectively acting as a ‘mass distributor’ as whenever you’re online, every other user around the world has the ability to access your hard drive and take what’s on it.”

It is an incredible statement. Surely no copyright infringement lawsuit could make this farce of a claim. It is even more incredible considering that John Kennedy’s organization works for Sony interests.

You want to see a real infringing mass distributor at work?
Visit my site and look at the lawsuit we filed against RIAA member Sony in 2001 (yes, five years ago) for using our songs without a license. Sony has not even stopped the selling of their pirate copies of songs (on many recordings) we own even though they are adults, fully aware that they are infringing, profiting from the sales, and they have full knowledge of the copyright law as it applies to records. See here:
http://rafa_venegas.web.prdigital.com/venegas_v_sony_lawsuit.htm

I wonder why John Kennedy doesn’t say that the making and selling of millions of blank CDs per day is “Not quite the same as making a compilation for your girlfriend on Valentine’s Day…”. Surely the availability of blank recording media is the biggest threat (really unstoppable) of the music industry’s obsolete distribution model. My guess as to wht RIAA is not attacking the sellers of blank CDs is because these are financially and legally stronger than the copyright cartels.

BTW, the “Not quite the same as making a compilation for your girlfriend on Valentine’s Day…” suggests that RIAA thinks that copying one record with 10 songs is all right. Separately the record companies are saying that they can sue for $150,000 for each of the songs copied illegally, or $1,500,000. Why the different messages?

The movie companies claim a copier can be fined $250,000 for copying one single movie, per their terror warning on DVDs. I wonder how much would that be for a copy of a movie for “your girlfriend on Valentine’s Day”.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32453 Reader's Write Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:53:18 +0000 #comment-32453 Thanks again, Michael ; ) Cheers! Thanks again, Michael ; )

Cheers!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7725/comment-page-1#comment-32449 Reader's Write Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:19:00 +0000 #comment-32449 You're welcome ;) There are quite a few good questions asked on the original article, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4596228.stm that didn't get asked. Why just 8 questions? I decided to send off an email to HMV (who hype their music rental service a lot during the article) today, asking why they remove access to paid-for music when someone stops subscribing. Will be interesting to see their response, though I doubt I'll get one. You’re welcome ;) There are quite a few good questions asked on the original article, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4596228.stm that didn’t get asked. Why just 8 questions? I decided to send off an email to HMV (who hype their music rental service a lot during the article) today, asking why they remove access to paid-for music when someone stops subscribing. Will be interesting to see their response, though I doubt I’ll get one.

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