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	<title>Comments on: Google yanks p2pnet ads</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-49457</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-49457</guid>
		<description>is anything your fault John? it seems not..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is anything your fault John? it seems not..</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-39941</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 16:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-39941</guid>
		<description>I too have just recieved the email from google qabout the adds on my site ( http://www.wachadoo.com/forum/ ) not following googles rules. I have only been running the adds for about a month now, and had around $40.00 worth of clicks. Somehow, with me not clicking myself, and I didn't even put the allowed "Sponsored Link" over the adds. I guess since my site has a lot of information about constitutional rights, and anti-Bush information, maybe they just didn't like us. Does anyone know of a good alternative to Google Adds? I am running the site out of a depleted bank account, and need the support.


- James H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have just recieved the email from google qabout the adds on my site ( <a href="http://www.wachadoo.com/forum/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wachadoo.com/forum/</a> ) not following googles rules. I have only been running the adds for about a month now, and had around $40.00 worth of clicks. Somehow, with me not clicking myself, and I didn&#8217;t even put the allowed &#8220;Sponsored Link&#8221; over the adds. I guess since my site has a lot of information about constitutional rights, and anti-Bush information, maybe they just didn&#8217;t like us. Does anyone know of a good alternative to Google Adds? I am running the site out of a depleted bank account, and need the support.</p>
<p>- James H</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33357</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33357</guid>
		<description>Why are you so pissed at Jon? 

Are you perhaps a paid astroturf troll, employed by a company to try to fabricate some sort of anti-p2pnet resentment?

Signs point to yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you so pissed at Jon? </p>
<p>Are you perhaps a paid astroturf troll, employed by a company to try to fabricate some sort of anti-p2pnet resentment?</p>
<p>Signs point to yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33318</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33318</guid>
		<description>Seriously now, p2pnet has probably pissed off a lot of people for exposing them or writing less-than-flattering articles about them.

Is it in any way possible that one of these companies or individuals has just sat down and clicked on the Google ads until it looks like p2pnet is trying to defraud the advertisers?

[/very plausable explaination]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously now, p2pnet has probably pissed off a lot of people for exposing them or writing less-than-flattering articles about them.</p>
<p>Is it in any way possible that one of these companies or individuals has just sat down and clicked on the Google ads until it looks like p2pnet is trying to defraud the advertisers?</p>
<p>[/very plausable explaination]</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33251</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33251</guid>
		<description>---umm, isn't that a Google search box I see at the top of the page?---

It is. But it's not the 'pay' version. Gurgle took that down when it had its hissy fit. This is just code that let's people search your site. 

Gurgle gets the benefit for free.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8212;umm, isn&#8217;t that a Google search box I see at the top of the page?&#8212;</p>
<p>It is. But it&#8217;s not the &#8216;pay&#8217; version. Gurgle took that down when it had its hissy fit. This is just code that let&#8217;s people search your site. </p>
<p>Gurgle gets the benefit for free.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33250</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33250</guid>
		<description>"At the top of the page, there used to be a Google search for p2pnet."

umm, isn't that a Google search box I see at the top of the page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At the top of the page, there used to be a Google search for p2pnet.&#8221;</p>
<p>umm, isn&#8217;t that a Google search box I see at the top of the page?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33248</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33248</guid>
		<description>&#62;&#62;industry shill posts.

I want that job!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;industry shill posts.</p>
<p>I want that job!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33247</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33247</guid>
		<description>Things HAVE been heating up a lot lately.
 A noticeably larger number of what "might" be considered 
industry shill posts. All of which have been getting shot down
more and more frequently.
 The industry is having a HELL of a time closing the big PR hole
that sites like this opens.
 Sounds just like something they would do.

 But then,
   It's not what you know, it's what you can prove.
  ( unless you're a billionaire or a corporation, then no proof necessary, just submit payment in full )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things HAVE been heating up a lot lately.<br />
 A noticeably larger number of what &#8220;might&#8221; be considered<br />
industry shill posts. All of which have been getting shot down<br />
more and more frequently.<br />
 The industry is having a HELL of a time closing the big PR hole<br />
that sites like this opens.<br />
 Sounds just like something they would do.</p>
<p> But then,<br />
   It&#8217;s not what you know, it&#8217;s what you can prove.<br />
  ( unless you&#8217;re a billionaire or a corporation, then no proof necessary, just submit payment in full )</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33246</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33246</guid>
		<description>If Jon answered you...the reply would have read Jon.

Gods you are so slow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jon answered you&#8230;the reply would have read Jon.</p>
<p>Gods you are so slow.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33245</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33245</guid>
		<description>&#62;&#62;for your own retardness. 

I love when people do this. It is "Retardedness"

A harsh word even if you made it up.

It's even funnier when you read something in spray paint.

"Dumb/Stupid ethnic-slang" where one or the other word is spelled wrong.

Which brings us to the point...if you are that challenged writing maybe you are equally challenged reading. Maybe you didn't read that he doesn't know why he was cut off. So dimwit, you are only guessing. 

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;for your own retardness. </p>
<p>I love when people do this. It is &#8220;Retardedness&#8221;</p>
<p>A harsh word even if you made it up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even funnier when you read something in spray paint.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dumb/Stupid ethnic-slang&#8221; where one or the other word is spelled wrong.</p>
<p>Which brings us to the point&#8230;if you are that challenged writing maybe you are equally challenged reading. Maybe you didn&#8217;t read that he doesn&#8217;t know why he was cut off. So dimwit, you are only guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33244</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33244</guid>
		<description>i think you're the one who is "mentally retarded or cannot read"

no need for that kind of comment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think you&#8217;re the one who is &#8220;mentally retarded or cannot read&#8221;</p>
<p>no need for that kind of comment</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33243</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33243</guid>
		<description>"WE DON'T MONITOR READER'S WRITES" 

THAT IS WHAT IS POSTED UNDERNEATH THE COMMENTS. MY COMMENT WAS THAT YOU WERE TOO STUPID TO READ THE TOS, AND NOW SINCE YOU HAVE VIOLATED IT YOU ARE BLAMING GOOGLE. DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?

DONATIONS, TRY USING THEM HMMMM....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WE DON&#8217;T MONITOR READER&#8217;S WRITES&#8221; </p>
<p>THAT IS WHAT IS POSTED UNDERNEATH THE COMMENTS. MY COMMENT WAS THAT YOU WERE TOO STUPID TO READ THE TOS, AND NOW SINCE YOU HAVE VIOLATED IT YOU ARE BLAMING GOOGLE. DO YOU KNOW HOW STUPID THAT SOUNDS?</p>
<p>DONATIONS, TRY USING THEM HMMMM&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33242</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33242</guid>
		<description>Google Ads removed them because you violated the TOS, if you are mentally retarded or cannot read then thats your problem. What you fuming over for? Your stupidity and unability to read properly? That is YOUR fault, and get used to it.

If you haven't heard there is something called donations. Here is a definition:

Donation: A donation is a gift to a fund or cause, usually for charitable reasons.

You can use this to raise money, instead of blaming Google for your own retardness.

</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google Ads removed them because you violated the TOS, if you are mentally retarded or cannot read then thats your problem. What you fuming over for? Your stupidity and unability to read properly? That is YOUR fault, and get used to it.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t heard there is something called donations. Here is a definition:</p>
<p>Donation: A donation is a gift to a fund or cause, usually for charitable reasons.</p>
<p>You can use this to raise money, instead of blaming Google for your own retardness.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33239</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33239</guid>
		<description>Here we have a free newspaper that is constantly digging up dirt on corrupt politicians, dirty cops, dodgy rich enterpreneurs, etc. Yet the many pages of ads that support the papers crusades are mostly whores (er...escorts), work at home schemes, mortgage companies, bars, the usual run of scammers and beggars and bums. Guess its how the world works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we have a free newspaper that is constantly digging up dirt on corrupt politicians, dirty cops, dodgy rich enterpreneurs, etc. Yet the many pages of ads that support the papers crusades are mostly whores (er&#8230;escorts), work at home schemes, mortgage companies, bars, the usual run of scammers and beggars and bums. Guess its how the world works.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33238</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33238</guid>
		<description>Its apparently how e-business evolves:  First they are small, they are heroes and they a all in favor of the common man. A few years later they are generating billions, you cant contact anybody, they are apparently on auto-pilot and they make their own rules which they regard as laws. At that point maybe a small business can make some money with them, maybe not. But the big guy could care less as their fortune has been made. Within a year Google will be as hated as Ebay or AOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its apparently how e-business evolves:  First they are small, they are heroes and they a all in favor of the common man. A few years later they are generating billions, you cant contact anybody, they are apparently on auto-pilot and they make their own rules which they regard as laws. At that point maybe a small business can make some money with them, maybe not. But the big guy could care less as their fortune has been made. Within a year Google will be as hated as Ebay or AOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33226</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33226</guid>
		<description>"I'm a total tech idiot"

oh stop, you are not!  Big up yourself!  You have a better understanding of P2P than a lot of people out there ;)

Im sure you've learned a bunch working here too :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m a total tech idiot&#8221;</p>
<p>oh stop, you are not!  Big up yourself!  You have a better understanding of P2P than a lot of people out there <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Im sure you&#8217;ve learned a bunch working here too <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33217</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33217</guid>
		<description>second link should be www.google-watch.org

figured you might as well check that out while you're pissed at them anyway ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>second link should be <a href="http://www.google-watch.org" rel="nofollow">www.google-watch.org</a></p>
<p>figured you might as well check that out while you&#8217;re pissed at them anyway <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33215</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33215</guid>
		<description>www.scroogle.org

googlewatch.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.scroogle.org" rel="nofollow">www.scroogle.org</a></p>
<p>googlewatch.org</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33200</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33200</guid>
		<description>Then someone should build a bot to get thousands of accounts disabled - then perhaps they'd revisit the idea.

Ok, I'm not being serious - just annoyed. I'm sure you'll find better advertisers Jon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then someone should build a bot to get thousands of accounts disabled - then perhaps they&#8217;d revisit the idea.</p>
<p>Ok, I&#8217;m not being serious - just annoyed. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll find better advertisers Jon.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33197</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7791#comment-33197</guid>
		<description>Dude, just use blogads or adbrite. Youl set the cost for an ad for one week on your site. People buy, and before it shows up on your site, you must approve the ad.
If you don't approve, they're refunded just like that.

Best part is, it doesn't matter how many clicks go through, fraudulent or not, because the person already prepaid for the ad. (Of course they'd prefer real traffic, but you get my point)
As for what to charge, you look at your visitors stats and do some math. Here's some approximates:

1 million visitors in a month = 30,000 visitors a day
if .5% click one ad that day = 150 clicks a day
at twenty cents a click = $30 a day
so for a one-week ad you could charge over $200.

And then the company's software tracks the number of clicks. If the number of clicks goes up, raise the weekly price. If it goes down, lower it. But keep the cost per click reasonable, say around twenty cents, to ensure repeat business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, just use blogads or adbrite. Youl set the cost for an ad for one week on your site. People buy, and before it shows up on your site, you must approve the ad.<br />
If you don&#8217;t approve, they&#8217;re refunded just like that.</p>
<p>Best part is, it doesn&#8217;t matter how many clicks go through, fraudulent or not, because the person already prepaid for the ad. (Of course they&#8217;d prefer real traffic, but you get my point)<br />
As for what to charge, you look at your visitors stats and do some math. Here&#8217;s some approximates:</p>
<p>1 million visitors in a month = 30,000 visitors a day<br />
if .5% click one ad that day = 150 clicks a day<br />
at twenty cents a click = $30 a day<br />
so for a one-week ad you could charge over $200.</p>
<p>And then the company&#8217;s software tracks the number of clicks. If the number of clicks goes up, raise the weekly price. If it goes down, lower it. But keep the cost per click reasonable, say around twenty cents, to ensure repeat business.</p>
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