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	<title>Comments on: Patti Santangelo&#8217;s new lawyer</title>
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		<title>By: Music</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-346643</link>
		<author>Music</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-346643</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are there any updates on the case? Did the manufacturers of music CDs and film DVDs manage to form a coalition with legislative justices to destroy the constitution, or is Patti battling onward to prevent it?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any updates on the case? Did the manufacturers of music CDs and film DVDs manage to form a coalition with legislative justices to destroy the constitution, or is Patti battling onward to prevent it?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-34195</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-34195</guid>
		<description>Well, it seems Mr Newton is intent on quashing any dissenting views on the Santangelo case by banning some IP addresses.  There is always a proxy server at hand to make a comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems Mr Newton is intent on quashing any dissenting views on the Santangelo case by banning some IP addresses.  There is always a proxy server at hand to make a comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-34063</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-34063</guid>
		<description>Agreed Patti needed a lawyer.  But she needed the right lawyer.  Not a lawyer who spends time campaigning for the Democrats, writes blogs about Bush stealing the election and then uses Patti as a pawn in his political ambitions and financial plans.  The publicity that Raymond Beckerman has received from this case guarantees him a bit of income for a while....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Patti needed a lawyer.  But she needed the right lawyer.  Not a lawyer who spends time campaigning for the Democrats, writes blogs about Bush stealing the election and then uses Patti as a pawn in his political ambitions and financial plans.  The publicity that Raymond Beckerman has received from this case guarantees him a bit of income for a while&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-34021</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-34021</guid>
		<description>It is a tragedy that Patti is being manipulated by some people.  Pretty sad case.

A political prisoner indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a tragedy that Patti is being manipulated by some people.  Pretty sad case.</p>
<p>A political prisoner indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33983</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 04:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33983</guid>
		<description>Poor Patti

Although badly advised, great principles, a really decent person. Driven by desparation she has fallen into the hands of a shyster, a snake oil salesman who promises and has so far failed to deliver. 

Having failed at the first hurdle, he has dumped her with a wholly fictitious bill of over $24k and forced her to declare herself attorney of her own record, forcing her to appoint an inexperienced counseller

The begging bowl is being circulated to pay for her original lawyer's fees, and now being used to fund another lawyer. 

Will she win? Well, she's failed every step of the way so far. Her principles of honesty seem to fall short of telling the court who actually did do the filesharing. Patti, for the love of God, tell the whole truth and spare yourself from this farce

Ask yourselves why. Is it because some people are revelling in the publicity this brings them? Is she being manipulated to serve someone else's agenda? Patti, we all want you to win, but the realists know that this is a spent cause. Tell them the whole truth, about yourself, the person who really did the filesharing and about your lawyer's intentions.

Spare yourself from being used in our battles









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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor Patti</p>
<p>Although badly advised, great principles, a really decent person. Driven by desparation she has fallen into the hands of a shyster, a snake oil salesman who promises and has so far failed to deliver. </p>
<p>Having failed at the first hurdle, he has dumped her with a wholly fictitious bill of over $24k and forced her to declare herself attorney of her own record, forcing her to appoint an inexperienced counseller</p>
<p>The begging bowl is being circulated to pay for her original lawyer&#8217;s fees, and now being used to fund another lawyer. </p>
<p>Will she win? Well, she&#8217;s failed every step of the way so far. Her principles of honesty seem to fall short of telling the court who actually did do the filesharing. Patti, for the love of God, tell the whole truth and spare yourself from this farce</p>
<p>Ask yourselves why. Is it because some people are revelling in the publicity this brings them? Is she being manipulated to serve someone else&#8217;s agenda? Patti, we all want you to win, but the realists know that this is a spent cause. Tell them the whole truth, about yourself, the person who really did the filesharing and about your lawyer&#8217;s intentions.</p>
<p>Spare yourself from being used in our battles</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33962</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33962</guid>
		<description>Seems to me the real sheep are the ones that blindly accept what the TV says, believe that the law is always truthful and correct.

 A dissenting voice ?
 No.
 
 A suspiciously well rehearsed voice.

 For spam and rhetoric look to RIAA press releases and propoganda.

 Oh, sorry ...

 You have already.

 Looks like you've bought into them, hook line and sinker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me the real sheep are the ones that blindly accept what the TV says, believe that the law is always truthful and correct.</p>
<p> A dissenting voice ?<br />
 No.</p>
<p> A suspiciously well rehearsed voice.</p>
<p> For spam and rhetoric look to RIAA press releases and propoganda.</p>
<p> Oh, sorry &#8230;</p>
<p> You have already.</p>
<p> Looks like you&#8217;ve bought into them, hook line and sinker.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33960</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33960</guid>
		<description>It would be great it you did get an estimate and then we had a goal bar.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great it you did get an estimate and then we had a goal bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33959</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33959</guid>
		<description>I have been reading Ray's comments in his Blog. He seems very sensible..his tone is always calm. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading Ray&#8217;s comments in his Blog. He seems very sensible..his tone is always calm.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33955</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33955</guid>
		<description>Ehh.... #25 is superceded by #17.... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehh&#8230;. #25 is superceded by #17&#8230;. <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33954</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33954</guid>
		<description>Rather weak answer.... tut, tut....  is that the best your can come up with?

As for working for the RIAA - I can only laugh.  Nothing less than that.  You make huge assumptions here.  Just because some guys have come up with a dissenting voice you want to jump down their throat?

I would say - BAAAAA BAAAAA BAAAA!!!  The sheep just follow each other.  No one thinks of anything else except the spam and rhetoric emmanating from this site....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather weak answer&#8230;. tut, tut&#8230;.  is that the best your can come up with?</p>
<p>As for working for the RIAA - I can only laugh.  Nothing less than that.  You make huge assumptions here.  Just because some guys have come up with a dissenting voice you want to jump down their throat?</p>
<p>I would say - BAAAAA BAAAAA BAAAA!!!  The sheep just follow each other.  No one thinks of anything else except the spam and rhetoric emmanating from this site&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33950</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33950</guid>
		<description>Better answer still, skip the coffee, save the money and buy beer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better answer still, skip the coffee, save the money and buy beer</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33947</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33947</guid>
		<description>Internet Rule # 25

 If an internet site is causing too much harm to your propoganda
 campaign, hire a bunch of shills to spread insults and corporate
 disinformation in an attempt to foster doubt, and cause infighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet Rule # 25</p>
<p> If an internet site is causing too much harm to your propoganda<br />
 campaign, hire a bunch of shills to spread insults and corporate<br />
 disinformation in an attempt to foster doubt, and cause infighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33937</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33937</guid>
		<description>Yeh, that's right, Eclectica. If someone doesn't agree with you they must be on the side of your enemy.

What has Beckerman contributed save losing everything he has touched for Patti Santangelo so far and "charging" her a fortune for doing so? Now he's threateniong to screw up the unsecured wireless defence in the Lindor case.

Open your eyes, little boy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeh, that&#8217;s right, Eclectica. If someone doesn&#8217;t agree with you they must be on the side of your enemy.</p>
<p>What has Beckerman contributed save losing everything he has touched for Patti Santangelo so far and &#8220;charging&#8221; her a fortune for doing so? Now he&#8217;s threateniong to screw up the unsecured wireless defence in the Lindor case.</p>
<p>Open your eyes, little boy.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33928</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33928</guid>
		<description>So perhaps dear Eclectica, you can explain the discrepancy of a bill of $24000 (which is due to be paid  by Mrs Santangelo) for legal work done by Ray Beckerman, when the motion to dismiss should cost $1000 or less?

And on that subject perhaps Jon Newton could explain if the money raised for the defence is going to be used to pay that ludicrous bill??!!!

Perhaps the NY state bar should be asked to look at the goings on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So perhaps dear Eclectica, you can explain the discrepancy of a bill of $24000 (which is due to be paid  by Mrs Santangelo) for legal work done by Ray Beckerman, when the motion to dismiss should cost $1000 or less?</p>
<p>And on that subject perhaps Jon Newton could explain if the money raised for the defence is going to be used to pay that ludicrous bill??!!!</p>
<p>Perhaps the NY state bar should be asked to look at the goings on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33927</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33927</guid>
		<description>internet rule # 17

if you have no other legitimate arguments, say your opponent works for the RIAA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>internet rule # 17</p>
<p>if you have no other legitimate arguments, say your opponent works for the RIAA</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33925</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33925</guid>
		<description>"She is going to loose,"

maybe she will, maybe she won't.  point is at least she's willing to fight for what's right.  this world needs a little more idealism and a little less greed.

"I wish she had a lawyer who would have talked some sense into her and had her settle for the lousy 3 grand."

"This whole mess could have been over and done with months ago."

So.... how much is Carey Sherman paying you.  sounds just like the argument and logic of the industry extortionists.  If you're not on their payroll you sound like a defeatist who thinks comprimising with the devil is appropriate.  peace at any price.  Neville Chamberlin would be proud.

Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She is going to loose,&#8221;</p>
<p>maybe she will, maybe she won&#8217;t.  point is at least she&#8217;s willing to fight for what&#8217;s right.  this world needs a little more idealism and a little less greed.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wish she had a lawyer who would have talked some sense into her and had her settle for the lousy 3 grand.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;This whole mess could have been over and done with months ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>So&#8230;. how much is Carey Sherman paying you.  sounds just like the argument and logic of the industry extortionists.  If you&#8217;re not on their payroll you sound like a defeatist who thinks comprimising with the devil is appropriate.  peace at any price.  Neville Chamberlin would be proud.</p>
<p>Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33920</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33920</guid>
		<description>I move on faith here. That Patti is an adult that can make Adult decisions. That she now has had the council of two seperate lawyers from two seperate firms. 

Are you a lawyer? 

Maybe you are a doctor.

If she gets sick...she should listen to a doctor.

If she need legal advice...a LAWYER. Probably why they go to school for so long.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I move on faith here. That Patti is an adult that can make Adult decisions. That she now has had the council of two seperate lawyers from two seperate firms. </p>
<p>Are you a lawyer? </p>
<p>Maybe you are a doctor.</p>
<p>If she gets sick&#8230;she should listen to a doctor.</p>
<p>If she need legal advice&#8230;a LAWYER. Probably why they go to school for so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33917</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33917</guid>
		<description>

I only know one way to effectively help. I skip the coffee and send the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only know one way to effectively help. I skip the coffee and send the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33891</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33891</guid>
		<description>Sounds like the argument of a five year old.  Sorry if a slice of reality cuts you the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the argument of a five year old.  Sorry if a slice of reality cuts you the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33882</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7839#comment-33882</guid>
		<description>I agree that there's dishonesty going on, with RIAA propagandists posting on various websites trying to cast doubt on Ray Beckerman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that there&#8217;s dishonesty going on, with RIAA propagandists posting on various websites trying to cast doubt on Ray Beckerman.</p>
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