Patti Santangelo’s new lawyer
p2p news / p2pnet: Patti Santangelo now has a team. Its members are Patti herself, her new lawyer, Jordan Glass and you.
And you guys are taking on Warner Music, Vivendi Universal, EMI and Sony BMG, the desperate Big Four Organized Music Goliaths.
They don’t stand a chance.
Glass who, bottom line, quite literally wouldn’t be beside Patti without help from p2pnet readers, was officially accepted into the New York court system last week and, he told me, he guarantees he’ll stay on the case to the end.
“I have to thank all of the p2pnet readers who’ve contributed to the Fight Goliath Campaign,” Patti said today. “Their donations so far have enabled me to hire a new attorney, Jordan D. Glass.
“I wanted very much to continue this fight on my own but when I sat down with the pile of paperwork, I realized that without an attorney who understood the discovery process, I’d surely lose.”
Glass is a one-man band in a private practice firm. We’ll tell you more about him shortly and we’ll also give you details of how the money you’re donating is being spent, together with estimates of up-coming outlays.
In two other important developments, we now have a private New York PO Box address for snail-mail contributions, and all donations are going into an escrow account administered by Patti herself.
And while the RIAA is targetting Santangelo and people like her, on November 15, 2004, in testimony before the Federal Trade Commission, the RIAA openly admitted most p2p users don’t even know their files are in a shared folder, says Recording Industry vs The People.
“As an initial matter, P2P software may, upon installation, automatically search a user’s entire hard drive for content,” states P2P File-Sharing Workshop – Comment, P034517 - Comments of The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), November 15, 2004, going oin:
“Files that users have no intention of sharing may end up being offered to the entire P2P network. Continued sharing of personal information is hard to avoid and is facilitated by confusing and complicated instructions for designating shared items. A study by Nathaniel S. Good and Aaron Krekelberg at HP Laboratories showed that “the majority of the users…were unable to tell what files they were sharing, and sometimes incorrectly assumed they were not sharing any files when in fact they were sharing all files on their hard drive.”
So far ….
… 558 p2pnet readers have contributed a total of $7,588.27. And there were two single snail-mail donations to the old snail-mail address - one of $40, and one of $50.
The total of $7,678.27 looks like a lot, but it isn’t. It allowed Patti to retain Glass, but much more will be needed for the discovery process, which has to be completed by May 5. How much more? We’re working on an estimate, but for now, it’ll be anything upwards of $100,000.
If you’re having doubts about the money, check out Alex H’s thoughts on the matter.
And if you’re wondering if it’s all dollars down the tubes, I, the 558 current donors, Jason Rohrer, who wrote the donations script and set up the central donations tracking page, Jordan Glass, Patti and her kids clearly don’t think so.
As Alex H sums it up, he’s imagining himself standing in the Valley of Elah, “holding a betting slip with ‘David - 100 Shakels To Win’ written on it.”
We are too and when Patti wins, shattering the Big Four’s delusions that we depend on them instead of the other way around, it’s going to make a huge difference to the more than 18,000 people already being pilloried by the Big Four, not to mention people yet to be victimized.
You can make an immediate contribution to the Goliath Fund by clicking the PayPal button under the pic. Or you can send it to Patti by snail-mail address beneath it.
Patti Santangelo
C/O PO Box 274
Hartsdale
New York 10530-0274
If you’re a web site owner and you want to post a donations button, go here for the code. You’ll find a list of sites featuring donatioins buttons, and some p2pnet story links in the struggle.
For now, go here to see what’s in so far.
Cheers, and thanks. And all the best…
420 million vs almost three billion
For anyone who’s not familiar with the case, Patti, a New York mother of five, is the first of the more than 18,000 people - men, women and even young children - so far victimized by the Big Four’s RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America).
Through a vast international PR and propaganda blitz involving the mainstream media and scores of ‘trade’ organizations, the labels, worth billions of dollars, are trying to claim they’re being “devastated” by people who share files on the p2p networks. The RIAA sue ‘em all campaign is the American element.
Santangelo was distributing copyrighted songs online, says the RIAA. It’s unlikely it’ll get far with that so the next targets will, inevitably, be Patti’s children. They are Michelle, 19 (wht Patti, left), Bobby, 15, and Ryan, 7 (centre) and Nicole (17) and Jack, 10 (bottom left), all of whom live at home.
Behind specious claims of a thriving corporate music download market, RIAA spokesmen Mitch ‘The Don’ Bainwol and Cary ‘Scary’ Sherman’ claim their lawsuits are driving significant numbers people to the tiny handful of sites they service and supply, although the reverse is true.
In its latest report, the Big Four’s IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industries) boasts, “Music fans downloaded 420 million single tracks from the internet last year”. And, “legitimate digital music business is steadily pushing back on digital piracy,” declared Kennedy, contradicting his and other statements that “Illegal activity on peer-to-peer networks has stayed static in the last year”. Meanwhile in the real world of online music, 60 million Americans had logged on a year ago, says the Digital Media Project, and, say statistics from p2p research company BigChampagne, the numbers are steadily increasing year by year.
During September, 2005, the average number of files available on p2p networks for download at any moment (average simultaneous files) was 2,789,154,393, BigChampagne told me. Spelled out, that’s almost three billionfiles.
In America in December, 2005, on average, 6,978,715 people were simultaneously logged onto the p2p networks at any given time, says p2p research firm BigChampagne, which produces statistics centering on the file sharing phenomenon.
In 2004, the number was 5,500,314 and in 2003, 3,239,298, says the firm, which compiled statistics for the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development Information Technology Outlook report for 2004.
Globally, in December, 2003, 5,602,384 people were logged onto the p2p nets at the same time at any point around the clock, in 2004 the number had swelled to 7,582,248 and in December, 2005, it was 9,554,298.
But neither the Big Four Organized Music cartel members, Warner Music, Vivendi Universal, EMI and Sony BMG, nor their shareholders, are benefitting from this huge Net music phenomenon. They’re still locked in the last century with outmoded physical business models and, “Many in the music industry grumble that downloading has been their downfall, and the business has aggressively tried to stop illegal file sharing,” says AP.
The Big Four spare no expense in their bitter war against the ‘consumers’ whom, they claim, are thieves and criminals who “illegally” download music without paying for it.
This isn’t, however, a criminal matter, efforts by the cartel’s RIAA to elevate it to that level notwithstanding. It’s a civil one. And what’s at issue isn’t if someone’s broken a law it’s whether or not he or she has infringed a copyright, which is a very long way from “criminal” or “illegal”.
At the beginning of the case, Patti was a client of prestigious New York lawyers Beldock, Levine & Hoffman. However, a single mother, she couldn’t afford the fees and she and B, L & H decided the only way she could continue was to become her own lawyer.
Now, spread the word. Blog, post, use IM, emails, ICR, whatever. Contact your local tv / radio station / newspaper. Can you get something on slashdot? Can you get the Fight Goliath campaign on Digg or anywhere else? And it doesn’t matter where in the world you are. The results of the Patti case will affect you as well. That’s why sites from countries such as Italy and the UK feature donation buttons.
Cheers! And thanks. And all the best …

See:
Mother of 5 takes on Big Music - p2pnet Q&A with lawyer Ray Beckerman, August 28, 2005
RIAA victim talks to p2pnet - p2pnet Q&A with Patti Santangelo, September 4, 2005
The ‘We’re Not Taking Any More’ club - Patti isn’t the only who’s who’s had enough, September 17, 2005
Wanted: p2p tech experts - Santangelo’s lawyers aren’t impressed by RIAA ‘evidence,’ October 24, 2005
RIAA mass lawsuits ‘improper’ - Beckerman believes the RIAA oversteps the mark with mass subpoenas, November 21, 2005
1st RIAA trial: victim to defend herself - First news that Santangelo is on her own, December 6, 2005
Teens next RIAA victims - Just before Christmas, the Big Four decide Patti’s children might also make targets, December 23, 2005
Santangelo picks up steam - Forced to acknowledge the saga, the mainstream media finally pick it up, December 28, 2005
Tech expert hacks at RIAA evidence - Zi Mei sets out to debunk RIAA ‘technical’ evidence, December 29, 2005
Patti Santangelo fights Goliath: II - Patti says, ‘Thanks for the support,’ December 17, 2005
Patti Santangelo campaign launch! - It’s the last day of 2005 and the Fight Goliath campaign officially goes up, December 31, 2005
Sceptical about Patti Santangelo? - p2pnet columnist Alex H has a few thoughts for doubters, January 8, 2006
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February 6th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
“Mitch ‘The Bitch’ Bainwol” sounds better than “Mitch ‘The Don’ Bainwol”.
February 7th, 2006 at 3:10 am
Yeah and he has a few Dress’s in his closet to prove it!!
February 8th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
I tried.. but it seems the last dozen or so attempts to get a story on /. have earned me a bunch of rejection.
2006-02-08 09:16:36 Someone is finally fighting the RIAA’s subpoenas (Your Rights Online,Technology) (rejected)
_-Jile-_
February 9th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
I am really saddened about Patti’s situation. I think its horrible she has been sued by the RIAA - especially since she had no idea what the deal was. $3,000 is a lot of money to loose.
However…what I think is even sadder is that she is not looking at over $124,000 in lawyer fees! Am I the only one who thinks she is being used as a political tool? I think is a disgrace this has happened to her.
This whole effort is a waste. She is going to loose, since she owns the internet account and is responsible for her children. I wish she had a lawyer who would have talked some sense into her and had her settle for the lousy 3 grand.
The lawyers wont care when she is bankrupted for life. They will have cash in their pocket while Patti will be financially ruined. This whole mess could have been over and done with months ago. But the notions “truth will always prevail” and “the righous will always win” are nice concepts in fantasy land, not in reality. God help this woman.
February 9th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Good comments. Too many people are blinded by the political and idealistic agendas of those who are manipulating Patti Santangelo. While her principles and heart-felt desires to be cleared are admirable, Patti Santangelo does not deserve the stress,nor the anxiety of this case.
And Ray Beckerman certainly has taken advantage of a very vulnerable woman, to further his political ambitions.
Yes, no one is thinking past the idealism that has sprung up on this site particularly, and thought that the RIAA will stop at nothing - they will make an example of her. And she will be liable to Ray Beckerman and to CLL (the RIAA attorneys) - and Beckerman won’t let her get off from $24000. There is a lot of dishonesty in this matter, coupled with misplaced idealism and a great deal of generosity by those who have kindly contributed.
God bless Patti and God speed. May He look kindly on you…
February 9th, 2006 at 9:25 pm
I agree that there’s dishonesty going on, with RIAA propagandists posting on various websites trying to cast doubt on Ray Beckerman.
February 9th, 2006 at 11:43 pm
Sounds like the argument of a five year old. Sorry if a slice of reality cuts you the wrong way.
February 10th, 2006 at 3:15 am
I only know one way to effectively help. I skip the coffee and send the money.
February 10th, 2006 at 3:53 am
I move on faith here. That Patti is an adult that can make Adult decisions. That she now has had the council of two seperate lawyers from two seperate firms.
Are you a lawyer?
Maybe you are a doctor.
If she gets sick…she should listen to a doctor.
If she need legal advice…a LAWYER. Probably why they go to school for so long.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:51 am
“She is going to loose,”
maybe she will, maybe she won’t. point is at least she’s willing to fight for what’s right. this world needs a little more idealism and a little less greed.
“I wish she had a lawyer who would have talked some sense into her and had her settle for the lousy 3 grand.”
“This whole mess could have been over and done with months ago.”
So…. how much is Carey Sherman paying you. sounds just like the argument and logic of the industry extortionists. If you’re not on their payroll you sound like a defeatist who thinks comprimising with the devil is appropriate. peace at any price. Neville Chamberlin would be proud.
Rick
February 10th, 2006 at 6:32 am
internet rule # 17
if you have no other legitimate arguments, say your opponent works for the RIAA
February 10th, 2006 at 6:36 am
So perhaps dear Eclectica, you can explain the discrepancy of a bill of $24000 (which is due to be paid by Mrs Santangelo) for legal work done by Ray Beckerman, when the motion to dismiss should cost $1000 or less?
And on that subject perhaps Jon Newton could explain if the money raised for the defence is going to be used to pay that ludicrous bill??!!!
Perhaps the NY state bar should be asked to look at the goings on…
February 10th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Yeh, that’s right, Eclectica. If someone doesn’t agree with you they must be on the side of your enemy.
What has Beckerman contributed save losing everything he has touched for Patti Santangelo so far and “charging” her a fortune for doing so? Now he’s threateniong to screw up the unsecured wireless defence in the Lindor case.
Open your eyes, little boy.
February 10th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
Internet Rule # 25
If an internet site is causing too much harm to your propoganda
campaign, hire a bunch of shills to spread insults and corporate
disinformation in an attempt to foster doubt, and cause infighting.
February 10th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
Better answer still, skip the coffee, save the money and buy beer
February 10th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Rather weak answer…. tut, tut…. is that the best your can come up with?
As for working for the RIAA - I can only laugh. Nothing less than that. You make huge assumptions here. Just because some guys have come up with a dissenting voice you want to jump down their throat?
I would say - BAAAAA BAAAAA BAAAA!!! The sheep just follow each other. No one thinks of anything else except the spam and rhetoric emmanating from this site….
February 10th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
Ehh…. #25 is superceded by #17….
February 10th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
I have been reading Ray’s comments in his Blog. He seems very sensible..his tone is always calm.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pm
It would be great it you did get an estimate and then we had a goal bar.
February 10th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
Seems to me the real sheep are the ones that blindly accept what the TV says, believe that the law is always truthful and correct.
A dissenting voice ?
No.
A suspiciously well rehearsed voice.
For spam and rhetoric look to RIAA press releases and propoganda.
Oh, sorry …
You have already.
Looks like you’ve bought into them, hook line and sinker.
February 10th, 2006 at 11:19 pm
Poor Patti
Although badly advised, great principles, a really decent person. Driven by desparation she has fallen into the hands of a shyster, a snake oil salesman who promises and has so far failed to deliver.
Having failed at the first hurdle, he has dumped her with a wholly fictitious bill of over $24k and forced her to declare herself attorney of her own record, forcing her to appoint an inexperienced counseller
The begging bowl is being circulated to pay for her original lawyer’s fees, and now being used to fund another lawyer.
Will she win? Well, she’s failed every step of the way so far. Her principles of honesty seem to fall short of telling the court who actually did do the filesharing. Patti, for the love of God, tell the whole truth and spare yourself from this farce
Ask yourselves why. Is it because some people are revelling in the publicity this brings them? Is she being manipulated to serve someone else’s agenda? Patti, we all want you to win, but the realists know that this is a spent cause. Tell them the whole truth, about yourself, the person who really did the filesharing and about your lawyer’s intentions.
Spare yourself from being used in our battles
February 11th, 2006 at 9:43 am
It is a tragedy that Patti is being manipulated by some people. Pretty sad case.
A political prisoner indeed.
February 11th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
Agreed Patti needed a lawyer. But she needed the right lawyer. Not a lawyer who spends time campaigning for the Democrats, writes blogs about Bush stealing the election and then uses Patti as a pawn in his political ambitions and financial plans. The publicity that Raymond Beckerman has received from this case guarantees him a bit of income for a while….
February 13th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
Well, it seems Mr Newton is intent on quashing any dissenting views on the Santangelo case by banning some IP addresses. There is always a proxy server at hand to make a comment.
March 3rd, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Are there any updates on the case? Did the manufacturers of music CDs and film DVDs manage to form a coalition with legislative justices to destroy the constitution, or is Patti battling onward to prevent it?