Comments on: RIAA targets Santangelo’s kids http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942 p2pnet.net offers not-your-lamescream news on movies music digital media P2P peer-to-peer TV television file sharing freedom of speech open source product news Wifi mobiles company news games video games game consoles security marketing DRM Internet radio web radio Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:15:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34608 Reader's Write Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:28:58 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34608 Was there a page missing? Or, was this a lame attempt just to get people to read, and then donate to the cause based on imaginary outrage, or righteous indignation. How dare they go after the defenseless children! Any news without factual evidence is just a lot of words. You know that this RIAA lawsuit is really a CIA cover up because one of the children witnessed an gangland execution by a rogue agent? You knew that, right? I think his name might have been Jack Bauer, and he used to be part of a secret unit fighting terrorists, but then had to fake his death, so the child is still in danger of exploitation by the tabloids. That's why there are no news articles, or other supporting facts. It's for the children's protection. Just take my words for it. Posted by an anonymous coward because I wouldn't want the RIAA to exploit my children's personal information obtained by illegal means. (You know exactly what I'm talking about, right?) Was there a page missing? Or, was this a lame attempt just to get people to read, and then donate to the cause based on imaginary outrage, or righteous indignation. How dare they go after the defenseless children! Any news without factual evidence is just a lot of words. You know that this RIAA lawsuit is really a CIA cover up because one of the children witnessed an gangland execution by a rogue agent? You knew that, right? I think his name might have been Jack Bauer, and he used to be part of a secret unit fighting terrorists, but then had to fake his death, so the child is still in danger of exploitation by the tabloids. That’s why there are no news articles, or other supporting facts. It’s for the children’s protection. Just take my words for it. Posted by an anonymous coward because I wouldn’t want the RIAA to exploit my children’s personal information obtained by illegal means. (You know exactly what I’m talking about, right?)

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34603 Reader's Write Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:31:31 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34603 Internet rule 17 If you don't have a valid argument, say that the person works for the **AA... Internet rule 17

If you don’t have a valid argument, say that the person works for the **AA…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34602 Reader's Write Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:31:16 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34602 News flash: Jesus was Jewish. News flash: Jesus was Jewish.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34601 Reader's Write Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:19:17 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34601 What information was collected? This story is useless without this type of information. Was it obtained through illegal means? What information was collected? This story is useless without this type of information. Was it obtained through illegal means?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34600 Reader's Write Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:18:13 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34600 Sounds like your a RIAA Croney Sounds like your a RIAA Croney

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34578 Reader's Write Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:25:45 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34578 Amazing, would Jesus write something like this? Amazing, would Jesus write something like this?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34562 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:35:20 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34562 The New York State Attorney Directory has an entry for Jordan D. Glass. http://portal.courts.state.ny.us/pls/portal30/INTERNETDB_DEV.INDIV_ATT.SHOW?p_arg_names=v_reg_num&p_arg_values=2692226 The FindLaw Lawyer Directory contains a similiar record. http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1545014_1 However, an email inquiry via the FindLaw form bounces with a "550 No such user". The New York State Attorney Directory has an entry for Jordan D. Glass.

http://portal.courts.state.ny.us/pls/portal30/INTERNETDB_DEV.INDIV_ATT.SHOW?p_arg_names=v_reg_num&p_arg_values=2692226

The FindLaw Lawyer Directory contains a similiar record.

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1545014_1

However, an email inquiry via the FindLaw form bounces with a “550 No such user”.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34556 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:19:57 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34556 The RIAA needs to be sued by someone with some political clout. I suspect they've run afoul of the law doing this and it would be nice to see them pay for it. Joe T. Rivia http://QuickTrivia.com The RIAA needs to be sued by someone with some political clout. I suspect they’ve run afoul of the law doing this and it would be nice to see them pay for it.

Joe T. Rivia
http://QuickTrivia.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34555 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:18:28 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34555 > surely if everyone ignored them it would be better?? You don't ignore evil- you find it and root it out. Ignoring it is the worst thing one can do. Mike http://www.HeMaleOrSheMale.com > surely if everyone ignored them it would be better??

You don’t ignore evil- you find it and root it out. Ignoring it is the worst thing one can do.

Mike
http://www.HeMaleOrSheMale.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34538 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:00:21 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34538 The RIAA is as bad as Hitler. The RIAA is as bad as Hitler.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34536 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:52:36 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34536 This story is poorly constructed, it's biased unidirectional and shows unsustained facts to say the least, in the end i got nothing out of it exept an attempt to get my money. If you want it to be credible, at least state the facts and sustantiate them! what i mean is: "(...) They had information about the children that wasn't public, or wasn't supposed to be public(..)" What kind of information (no, whe don't need to know the information just the kind of) "This case is jeopardizing the actual well-being of children and you're going to see problems develop (...)" says Glass emphatically. In wich way, what problems? in the end and for lack of substantiation, this article reeks of the"hearsay", "pitty-me" and "gimme money" kind of trash! This story is poorly constructed, it’s biased unidirectional and shows unsustained facts to say the least, in the end i got nothing out of it exept an attempt to get my money.

If you want it to be credible, at least state the facts and sustantiate them!

what i mean is:

“(…) They had information about the children that wasn’t public, or wasn’t supposed to be public(..)”
What kind of information (no, whe don’t need to know the information just the kind of)

“This case is jeopardizing the actual well-being of children and you’re going to see problems develop (…)” says Glass emphatically.
In wich way, what problems?

in the end and for lack of substantiation, this article reeks of the”hearsay”, “pitty-me” and “gimme money” kind of trash!

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34533 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:10:23 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34533 RIAA is launching attacks against American Citizens Children, Undoubtedly the actions of RIAA can lead to harm and loss, pain and suffering, terrorizing these children. Thus, RIAA, its members and employees, are all Enemy Combatants, as outlined in the Patriot Act. George W. Bush stated that the United States Military would not see a difference between terrorists, and those who harbor terrorists. As such, RIAA, its headquarters and employees are now classifiable as legitimate military targets subject at any time to a 'Shock and Awe' decapitation pre-emptive attack. RIAA’s leaders are similar to the ‘deck of cards’ persons of interest, who’s capture could be rewarded by the USA military with millions of dollars of prize money. If RIAA continues its assault against USA citizens, it is likely that one day, they will wake up to the sound of a predator drone flying over their homes, moments before they learn what it means to anger the wrong mothers. RIAA is launching attacks against American Citizens Children,
Undoubtedly the actions of RIAA can lead to harm and loss, pain and suffering, terrorizing these children.

Thus, RIAA, its members and employees, are all Enemy Combatants, as outlined in the Patriot Act.

George W. Bush stated that the United States Military would not see
a difference between terrorists, and those who harbor terrorists.

As such, RIAA, its headquarters and employees are now classifiable as legitimate military targets subject at any time to a ‘Shock and Awe’ decapitation pre-emptive attack.

RIAA’s leaders are similar to the ‘deck of cards’ persons of interest, who’s capture could be rewarded by the USA military with millions of dollars of prize money.

If RIAA continues its assault against USA citizens, it is likely that one day, they will wake up to the sound of a predator drone flying over their homes, moments before they learn what it means to anger the wrong mothers.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34529 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:49:09 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34529 Dear RIAA and READERS, I have spent thousands of dollars over the years on CD's from the quote "major 4".. Just because of this crazy action from you, the well here has now dryed up.. I don't read reports about you doing this in 3rd world countries where full cd's are sold on every street corner by the millions or the computer copy shops where 20 computers are connected to massive duplication racks. Knowing that there is nothing to be collected from someone who has nothing or organized crime shops where the owner will never be found. So, they trash the easy pray which is FAMILIES AND KIDS.. Call Evil.. Evil.. This is for sure.. It's just another way for you to extract higher returns on a music investment. Most people just pay and get you out of there hair and you know this, as thats why the fine of $3,500 is so low. They know that most families will be able to come up with this small amout if they have to sell the family car to come up with it.. It's all a ploy to just get more $$$$$$, lets just call a spade, A SPADE and be done with it.. Just like oil or anything else it's always the money! To the "BIG 4" read this buddy.. You are hurting yourselves buy raising the price of CD's and to go after families and kids. You will just unite us to not buy your products as word of this has spread fast and wide. The RIAA which you have saught to help you will be the corner stone in your demise. You have started a fire and now the cyber wind has gotten ahold of it and now the world is a blaze you will never be able to put out! I for one hope all the "BIG 4" go in the crapper as for what you are doing is WRONG! You don't bite the hand that feeds you stupid! Besides, can you really call it theft.. A online version reguardless of its duplicated ability will NEVER be as good as the original CD.. Again as well, most of us would rather have the real milk. So, most would hear a cyber sample of the music and then go buy the CD for better quality. Face it most rips stink due to the software that did it or the ability to produce quality copy by the ripper. If the music is a poor mirror of the original (only a shadow) then how can you call this theft.. It's not possible.. Most rippers don't have $30,000 replication hardware which can produce exact duplicates.. We don't hear the RIAA busting these copy shops now do you and they are all over the world. They not only copy the cd but also the label to be placed on the cd as its cover. Then they are sold by mail all over the world. Now this is piracy as they sell it for close to the same price. Another thought too is that most of these titles would never be heard by most people if it were not for the exposure via the cyber world. Don't look for them to be exposed by local radio stations as they have their own agenda to play only the well know to draw their own cash flow. Again, it's always money!! Besides before there was a net lots of radio stations played full albums which lot's of people would record to cassett and redistribute to friends or sell and no one ever went after local radio stations for transmitting the full recordings. Was that any different than a copy of a cd on a P2P network other then the quality was FM and almost a perfect copy with good signal recovery. NO, that was to be fine as long as the station paid for its air copy and you didn't get caught selling the air recovered copy. RIAA this is just old news and your getting rich with a new ploy.. DEATH TO THE RIAA and THE BIG 4!! Buy from small record labels and give the BIG 4 the finger right up the ole WAHZOO, till they get smarter and figure out that "Families and kids" are really not your enemy! We feed you pricks!! Buncha stupid asses.. Geeze!! SIGNED, "FOR VERY GOOD REASON": Anonymous Coward Dear RIAA and READERS,
I have spent thousands of dollars over the years on CD’s from the quote “major 4″.. Just because of this crazy action from you, the well
here has now dryed up.. I don’t read reports about you doing this
in 3rd world countries where full cd’s are sold on every street corner by the millions or the computer copy shops where 20 computers are connected to massive duplication racks. Knowing that there is nothing to be collected from someone who has nothing or organized crime shops where the owner will never be found. So, they trash the easy pray which is FAMILIES AND KIDS.. Call Evil.. Evil.. This is for sure.. It’s just another way for you to extract higher returns on a music investment. Most people just pay and get you out of there hair and you know this, as thats why the fine of $3,500 is so low. They know that most families will be able to come up with this small amout if they have to sell the family car to come up with it.. It’s all a ploy to just get more $$$$$$, lets just call a spade, A SPADE and be done with it.. Just like oil or anything else it’s always the money!

To the “BIG 4″ read this buddy.. You are hurting yourselves buy raising the price of CD’s and to go after families and kids. You will just unite us to not buy your products as word of this has spread fast and wide. The RIAA which you have saught to help you will be the corner stone in your demise. You have started a fire and now the cyber wind has gotten ahold of it and now the world is a blaze you will never be able to put out! I for one hope all the “BIG 4″ go in the crapper as for what you are doing is WRONG! You don’t bite the hand that feeds you stupid!

Besides, can you really call it theft.. A online version reguardless of its duplicated ability will NEVER be as good as the original CD.. Again as well, most of us would rather have the real milk. So, most would hear a cyber sample of the music and then go buy the CD for better quality. Face it most rips stink due to the software that did it or the ability to produce quality copy by the ripper. If the music is a poor mirror of the original (only a shadow) then how can you call this theft.. It’s not possible.. Most rippers don’t have $30,000 replication hardware which can produce exact duplicates.. We don’t hear the RIAA busting these copy shops now do you and they are all over the world. They not only copy the cd but also the label to be placed on the cd as its cover. Then they are sold by mail all over the world. Now this is piracy as they sell it for close to the same price.

Another thought too is that most of these titles would never be heard by most people if it were not for the exposure via the cyber world. Don’t look for them to be exposed by local radio stations as they have their own agenda to play only the well know to draw their own cash flow. Again, it’s always money!! Besides before there was a net lots of radio stations played full albums which lot’s of people would record to cassett and redistribute to friends or sell and no one ever went after local radio stations for transmitting the full recordings. Was that any different than a copy of a cd on a P2P network other then the quality was FM and almost a perfect copy with good signal recovery. NO, that was to be fine as long as the station paid for its air copy and you didn’t get caught selling the air recovered copy.

RIAA this is just old news and your getting rich with a new ploy.. DEATH TO THE RIAA and THE BIG 4!! Buy from small record labels and give the BIG 4 the finger right up the ole WAHZOO, till they get smarter and figure out that “Families and kids” are really not your enemy! We feed you pricks!! Buncha stupid asses.. Geeze!!

SIGNED, “FOR VERY GOOD REASON”:
Anonymous Coward

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34528 Reader's Write Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:48:29 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34528 This story is outrageous. The quote, "suing a parent to get information about a child", allegedly by Santangelo attorney Glass, imputes improper conduct to Elektra's attorneys. Further, the statement, "This, then, is going to become the new feeding ground for those who seek to exploit children, whether through improper contact or identity theft", taken in context, might fairly be read as an accusation that Elektra's attorneys are working in concert with paedophiles. Released on a Friday night, the first question that I have is whether these story clearly might tend to cause an imminent breach of the peace. This story is outrageous.

The quote, “suing a parent to get information about a child”, allegedly by Santangelo attorney Glass, imputes improper conduct to Elektra’s attorneys. Further, the statement, “This, then, is going to become the new feeding ground for those who seek to exploit children, whether through improper contact or identity theft”, taken in context, might fairly be read as an accusation that Elektra’s attorneys are working in concert with paedophiles.

Released on a Friday night, the first question that I have is whether these story clearly might tend to cause an imminent breach of the peace.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34512 Reader's Write Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:31:34 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34512 The RIAA is the reason I haven't purchased a CD from any of the "Big Four" publishers. I only buy from smaller labels. I also refuse to pay for online music. Why pay for an inferior compressed file? These people are blood suckers. Do they have a right to copyright protection? Yes. Do they have the right to subvert fair use trample over private citizens? No. I speak with my dollars... The RIAA is the reason I haven’t purchased a CD from any of the “Big Four” publishers. I only buy from smaller labels. I also refuse to pay for online music. Why pay for an inferior compressed file? These people are blood suckers. Do they have a right to copyright protection? Yes. Do they have the right to subvert fair use trample over private citizens? No. I speak with my dollars…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34511 Reader's Write Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:40:53 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34511 The four big ones doesn't want that a legal p2p music system rises up.. they know that it's the end of their centralized monopoly... and who owns shares of isp's? they are getting rich on the broadband users... I will never buy another cd from these twats... music wants to be 'free' just like information wants to be free... The four big ones doesn’t want that a legal p2p music system rises up.. they know that it’s the end of their centralized monopoly… and who owns shares of isp’s? they are getting rich on the broadband users…
I will never buy another cd from these twats…

music wants to be ‘free’ just like information wants to be free…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34510 Reader's Write Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:11:24 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34510 Am i the only one who is sick of hearing about the poxy riaa? Isn't there a danger of giving them publicity by constantly focusing on them, surely if everyone ignored them it would be better?? Am i the only one who is sick of hearing about the poxy riaa?
Isn’t there a danger of giving them publicity by constantly focusing on them, surely if everyone ignored them it would be better??

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34509 Reader's Write Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:14:22 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34509 "I say probably because their legal teams seem to be so inept..." I would not think so... Their legal teams win cases in IP cases all the time. Visit www.cll.com for info on their lawyers in this particular case. The lead attorney J.Christopher Jensen has won big cases on both sides as plantiff and defendant attorney. Perhaps it may be the companies getting the dirt for the RIAA that may be inept, but I would not say that of the attorneys. Google Dean Garfield and you will see what sort of legal mind you are dealing with... “I say probably because their legal teams seem to be so inept…”

I would not think so… Their legal teams win cases in IP cases all the time. Visit www.cll.com for info on their lawyers in this particular case. The lead attorney J.Christopher Jensen has won big cases on both sides as plantiff and defendant attorney. Perhaps it may be the companies getting the dirt for the RIAA that may be inept, but I would not say that of the attorneys.

Google Dean Garfield and you will see what sort of legal mind you are dealing with…

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34508 Reader's Write Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:08:08 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34508 What did Patti Santangelo expect? The RIAA have sent investigators out to gain as much info on her children. They believe that her kids did it and they want to present that in court. They will have approached her kids friends, classmates and anybody remotely connected to her children. Nothing is sacred in this battle. After all, Patti put her children in the firing line and so did you Jon. The RIAA is going to try and make an example of her. They have already proven that children are not innocent bystanders - take the Chan case. The facts are straightforward here (according to the RIAA): The likelihood that Patti's kids were the offending party are pretty good. Her children are also vulnerable, and that is Patti's biggest weakness, so they will go for that. Nothing wrong in that (in the eyes of the court). I can understand Patti's protective nature towards her kids - it is her maternal instinct. But this case is going to hurt her kids more than she realises. The RIAA lawyers will run up whatever costs to get to her and break her case down. If she loses, and the RIAA costs are awarded against her, I could well imagine a bill of $100 000... This is going to turn ugly people! I have the utmost sympathy for this lady. Not fun and games. What did Patti Santangelo expect? The RIAA have sent investigators out to gain as much info on her children. They believe that her kids did it and they want to present that in court. They will have approached her kids friends, classmates and anybody remotely connected to her children.

Nothing is sacred in this battle. After all, Patti put her children in the firing line and so did you Jon. The RIAA is going to try and make an example of her. They have already proven that children are not innocent bystanders - take the Chan case.

The facts are straightforward here (according to the RIAA):

The likelihood that Patti’s kids were the offending party are pretty good. Her children are also vulnerable, and that is Patti’s biggest weakness, so they will go for that. Nothing wrong in that (in the eyes of the court).

I can understand Patti’s protective nature towards her kids - it is her maternal instinct. But this case is going to hurt her kids more than she realises. The RIAA lawyers will run up whatever costs to get to her and break her case down. If she loses, and the RIAA costs are awarded against her, I could well imagine a bill of $100 000…

This is going to turn ugly people! I have the utmost sympathy for this lady. Not fun and games.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34503 Reader's Write Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:23:54 +0000 http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7942#comment-34503 Ok so what facts and discovery did the RIAA want? It characterizes what was seeking, without stating what was sought. The article does not say what shouldn't be had or why it shouldn't be (legal questions are usually not so cut and dried on a case). The article doesn't explain why they obhect, nor does it explain why the RIAA is seeking it. Does the author not trust the writer to make his or her own decision? I am a strong supporter of fair use, and feel that the recent copyright changes are not in the nation's best interest. Nonetheless, it is important to treat people with respect, and allow them enough information ot make up their own minds. Ok so what facts and discovery did the RIAA want? It characterizes what was seeking, without stating what was sought. The article does not say what shouldn’t be had or why it shouldn’t be (legal questions are usually not so cut and dried on a case). The article doesn’t explain why they obhect, nor does it explain why the RIAA is seeking it. Does the author not trust the writer to make his or her own decision?

I am a strong supporter of fair use, and feel that the recent copyright changes are not in the nation’s best interest. Nonetheless, it is important to treat people with respect, and allow them enough information ot make up their own minds.

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