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	<title>Comments on: Razorback Bust: by the MPAA</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-38624</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-38624</guid>
		<description>It's laughable!!.Quote: Govt Authorites shut down major server hosting 1.3 million users simultaneously.

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1102

But within hours user numbers were back to normal ....LMFAO!!

I hope emule stays the largest P2P Network forever.Why should Music Executives own multi-million dollar homes and drive around in Bentleys?,while they pay the Artists pittance!.Disgusting.

I download music and if I like it I go and buy the Single and/or Albumn.Why?,because of the high quality sound you don't get from MP3's.

And as for Quote: The servers also hosted Terrorism articles and Child Pornography.You can never ever stop this.Freedom of expression is SUPREME.It's a fact of life.It's everywhere on the internet.

So for those of you whom say we rip of the industry.Wake up to yourself!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s laughable!!.Quote: Govt Authorites shut down major server hosting 1.3 million users simultaneously.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1102" rel="nofollow">http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1102</a></p>
<p>But within hours user numbers were back to normal &#8230;.LMFAO!!</p>
<p>I hope emule stays the largest P2P Network forever.Why should Music Executives own multi-million dollar homes and drive around in Bentleys?,while they pay the Artists pittance!.Disgusting.</p>
<p>I download music and if I like it I go and buy the Single and/or Albumn.Why?,because of the high quality sound you don&#8217;t get from MP3&#8217;s.</p>
<p>And as for Quote: The servers also hosted Terrorism articles and Child Pornography.You can never ever stop this.Freedom of expression is SUPREME.It&#8217;s a fact of life.It&#8217;s everywhere on the internet.</p>
<p>So for those of you whom say we rip of the industry.Wake up to yourself!!.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-36925</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-36925</guid>
		<description>Ah, the whole story is absolutely clear: music maker are losing a lot of profits. Why should I pay $20 for the whole CD, if I need only 1 song?
They are tying to shut servers down? It will not do. Another server will appear. If all big countries will comply, servers will be established in another countries, that's all. It's like raising tobacco taxes: smokers went to internet. US authorities started to close online stores and people started to connect to the stores in EU. There is no way the general movement can be stopped.
Razorback was shut down? Fine, in no time a server Kcabrozar will spring up.
The only one good thing happens: such actions boost innovative development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the whole story is absolutely clear: music maker are losing a lot of profits. Why should I pay $20 for the whole CD, if I need only 1 song?<br />
They are tying to shut servers down? It will not do. Another server will appear. If all big countries will comply, servers will be established in another countries, that&#8217;s all. It&#8217;s like raising tobacco taxes: smokers went to internet. US authorities started to close online stores and people started to connect to the stores in EU. There is no way the general movement can be stopped.<br />
Razorback was shut down? Fine, in no time a server Kcabrozar will spring up.<br />
The only one good thing happens: such actions boost innovative development.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-36066</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-36066</guid>
		<description>You Aint Gonna Stop Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You Aint Gonna Stop Shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34687</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34687</guid>
		<description>Oh well, next server in the list it is. The MPAA cant stop shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, next server in the list it is. The MPAA cant stop shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34667</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34667</guid>
		<description>they think by shutdown razorback server they prevent people to share illegal file ,i would say that big mistake
there is thousands and thousands ways to share illegal files

i think by shutdown razorback server we'll see another great server
more powerfull and more strong


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they think by shutdown razorback server they prevent people to share illegal file ,i would say that big mistake<br />
there is thousands and thousands ways to share illegal files</p>
<p>i think by shutdown razorback server we&#8217;ll see another great server<br />
more powerfull and more strong</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34664</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34664</guid>
		<description>It's bad news ,,

Razorback the best server in p2p 

please back Razorback again .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s bad news ,,</p>
<p>Razorback the best server in p2p </p>
<p>please back Razorback again .</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34651</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34651</guid>
		<description>sorry for my bad english

-There are no illegal file on razorback 2 
-Razorback 2 is an association (with a legal statut wrote by layers) not a commercial enterprise 
- Razorback2 association want a legal P2P and support freeware(http://www.ratiatum.com/tel.php ) and young artists (http://www.jamendo.com)
-"This is a major victory " victory ? a server is dead (not sure the law are not the same in belgium ) 10 are create . what a victory ...
"The operators of this eDonkey site chose not to exercise control over files being traded by users which including those containing child pornography, bomb-making instructions and terrorist training videos." False there are filters for child pornography  for the rest  only a word "fake"
"Swiss authorities arrested the site's operator at his residence" Now he's free (nothing to reproach himself)

The only commercial enterprise is the MPAA 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry for my bad english</p>
<p>-There are no illegal file on razorback 2<br />
-Razorback 2 is an association (with a legal statut wrote by layers) not a commercial enterprise<br />
- Razorback2 association want a legal P2P and support freeware(http://www.ratiatum.com/tel.php ) and young artists (http://www.jamendo.com)<br />
-&#8221;This is a major victory &#8221; victory ? a server is dead (not sure the law are not the same in belgium ) 10 are create . what a victory &#8230;<br />
&#8220;The operators of this eDonkey site chose not to exercise control over files being traded by users which including those containing child pornography, bomb-making instructions and terrorist training videos.&#8221; False there are filters for child pornography  for the rest  only a word &#8220;fake&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Swiss authorities arrested the site&#8217;s operator at his residence&#8221; Now he&#8217;s free (nothing to reproach himself)</p>
<p>The only commercial enterprise is the MPAA</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34647</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34647</guid>
		<description>Razorback was a "menace to society?"  Oh please!!!!

If this isn't hyperbole in the mold of Jack Valenti......

If anyone cares to support this fallacious assertion then please tell us all how Razorback was going to:

1.  Enable large commercial airliners to fly directly into tall buildings.

2.  Detonate explosives in train stations and subways.

3.  Release biological toxins in densely populated areas.

4.  Cause Suspension Bridges and Underwater transportation tunnels to collapse.

5.  Cause the downfall of Western Civilization.

The "menace to society" remark is just another load of specious crap from a cartel spinmeister and purveyor of garbage utterly lacking any kind of integrity.

--TurboGeek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razorback was a &#8220;menace to society?&#8221;  Oh please!!!!</p>
<p>If this isn&#8217;t hyperbole in the mold of Jack Valenti&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>If anyone cares to support this fallacious assertion then please tell us all how Razorback was going to:</p>
<p>1.  Enable large commercial airliners to fly directly into tall buildings.</p>
<p>2.  Detonate explosives in train stations and subways.</p>
<p>3.  Release biological toxins in densely populated areas.</p>
<p>4.  Cause Suspension Bridges and Underwater transportation tunnels to collapse.</p>
<p>5.  Cause the downfall of Western Civilization.</p>
<p>The &#8220;menace to society&#8221; remark is just another load of specious crap from a cartel spinmeister and purveyor of garbage utterly lacking any kind of integrity.</p>
<p>&#8211;TurboGeek</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34645</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34645</guid>
		<description>The word "Cartel" sounds like mafia's cartel...

You have to know that Razorback 2 was a great seeder of Legal content and moreover their huge servers were used to participate to the operation folding@home for research of gentics. That is really useless...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;Cartel&#8221; sounds like mafia&#8217;s cartel&#8230;</p>
<p>You have to know that Razorback 2 was a great seeder of Legal content and moreover their huge servers were used to participate to the operation <a href="mailto:folding@home">folding@home</a> for research of gentics. That is really useless&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34643</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34643</guid>
		<description>This will have no impact on the P2P networks. There are loads of other servers out there, so most clients will simply jump automatically to the next server in their list without the user even noticing. 

In fact, you could take every ED server off the net, and it would still make no difference as both Edonkey and Emule have had serverless Kademelia built into it for a long time now.

The media cartel missed their chance - today's P2P networks already have built in redundancy no single point of failure, and they were forced to go that way by the MPAA forcing evolution of these features at an accelerated rate. Next step is encryption, anonymisation and obsufication, and we're already seeing that with some of the other P2P apps.

The current business model of the media cartels is already dead - they just don't know it yet, despite all the kicking and screaming as the get dragged into the twenty-first century.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will have no impact on the P2P networks. There are loads of other servers out there, so most clients will simply jump automatically to the next server in their list without the user even noticing. </p>
<p>In fact, you could take every ED server off the net, and it would still make no difference as both Edonkey and Emule have had serverless Kademelia built into it for a long time now.</p>
<p>The media cartel missed their chance - today&#8217;s P2P networks already have built in redundancy no single point of failure, and they were forced to go that way by the MPAA forcing evolution of these features at an accelerated rate. Next step is encryption, anonymisation and obsufication, and we&#8217;re already seeing that with some of the other P2P apps.</p>
<p>The current business model of the media cartels is already dead - they just don&#8217;t know it yet, despite all the kicking and screaming as the get dragged into the twenty-first century.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34642</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/7987#comment-34642</guid>
		<description>This action is no more effective than the successful closure of Napster was by the RIAA. 

What resulted instead was that the Napster file sharing site was closed and a multitude of other sites sprung up, tailored to the laws of the time, that allowed file sharing to get a generation jump over what they were dealing with Napster. This in turned resulted in the various **AA's not having anything to grasp at till they got more laws in place. 

The next step in all this is encryption from end to end. Already the torrent software designers and programmers are working on it with expected soon to be released new clients that encrypt the headers and will result in the next generation; repeating the same as previous action/reaction. This time it will ensure that ISPs packett filtering won't be as effective and in addition, so will getting evidence of shared works be made more difficult in the same move. 

I am sorry that the host of Razorback2 has drawn the ire of this copyright enforcers. He'll be another victim in a long list hoisted to preserve status quo, without actually doing anything other than making yet another suffer. 

The movie and music cartels are victim of their own business models and until they address that, this sort of farce will continue. Not only is the buying public being turned off by all this negetive publicity but they are turning to other means of entertainment as this turn off continues; making it ever more difficult for these established corps to continue to do business as usual. The days of constant remakes and serial installments of movie themes are coming to an end as more and more customers decide they have been ripped off too many times. It is already a common preception that sequals are rarely as good as the original and many are deciding that it isn't worth the money to see those sequals as they are the equivalent of music filler on music cds. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This action is no more effective than the successful closure of Napster was by the RIAA. </p>
<p>What resulted instead was that the Napster file sharing site was closed and a multitude of other sites sprung up, tailored to the laws of the time, that allowed file sharing to get a generation jump over what they were dealing with Napster. This in turned resulted in the various **AA&#8217;s not having anything to grasp at till they got more laws in place. </p>
<p>The next step in all this is encryption from end to end. Already the torrent software designers and programmers are working on it with expected soon to be released new clients that encrypt the headers and will result in the next generation; repeating the same as previous action/reaction. This time it will ensure that ISPs packett filtering won&#8217;t be as effective and in addition, so will getting evidence of shared works be made more difficult in the same move. </p>
<p>I am sorry that the host of Razorback2 has drawn the ire of this copyright enforcers. He&#8217;ll be another victim in a long list hoisted to preserve status quo, without actually doing anything other than making yet another suffer. </p>
<p>The movie and music cartels are victim of their own business models and until they address that, this sort of farce will continue. Not only is the buying public being turned off by all this negetive publicity but they are turning to other means of entertainment as this turn off continues; making it ever more difficult for these established corps to continue to do business as usual. The days of constant remakes and serial installments of movie themes are coming to an end as more and more customers decide they have been ripped off too many times. It is already a common preception that sequals are rarely as good as the original and many are deciding that it isn&#8217;t worth the money to see those sequals as they are the equivalent of music filler on music cds.</p>
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