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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35834</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make them give a copy to a third party for safe keeping. Like a registered &quot;copyright holder trust&quot; which must hand over their archive to another trust if they ever deregister as a trust.

Unles there is a copy wit hsome kind of third party the copyright holder could &quot;accidentally&quot; lose their copy if they can&#039;t be bothered holding on to it. What happens then? Do they pay a $100 fine and are forgiven? Some corporate bean counter would work out that it would be cheaper to pay the fine than hold the copies and the content doesn&#039;t exist anymore.

I&#039;d still prefer the community archive that decentralized p2p provides us. There is always SOMEONE out there who will hold a copy on their server, like the Internet Archive who do it for everyone&#039;s benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make them give a copy to a third party for safe keeping. Like a registered &#8220;copyright holder trust&#8221; which must hand over their archive to another trust if they ever deregister as a trust.</p>
<p>Unles there is a copy wit hsome kind of third party the copyright holder could &#8220;accidentally&#8221; lose their copy if they can&#8217;t be bothered holding on to it. What happens then? Do they pay a $100 fine and are forgiven? Some corporate bean counter would work out that it would be cheaper to pay the fine than hold the copies and the content doesn&#8217;t exist anymore.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d still prefer the community archive that decentralized p2p provides us. There is always SOMEONE out there who will hold a copy on their server, like the Internet Archive who do it for everyone&#8217;s benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35832</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I much agree with the subject of this post. Especially in music this sort of thing goes on and on. Everytime there is a media format change, some artists don&#039;t make the cut. So you never hear of them again. 

This is where the value of p2p actually comes in. Artists, whose work you can no longer buy for love nor money are still available there. It&#039;s just about the only place besides getting lucky and blundering into to them in a backyard sale. When was the last time you saw a copy of say, &quot;The Archies&quot;, The Royal Guardsmen, or &quot;1910 Fruit Gum Company&quot; being sold new? While most will I am sure agree with me that not all the works of those groups were anything but filler, each had a hit that is almost unknown today, yet the copyright is still being held on them. 

If it is that copyright is to be extended so long, it should also be a requirement of the holder to maintain a copy for public domain at the expiration time of the copyright. There is nothing that prevents any holder from just chunking the work to make room in the archives for some thing new and of commerial value. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I much agree with the subject of this post. Especially in music this sort of thing goes on and on. Everytime there is a media format change, some artists don&#8217;t make the cut. So you never hear of them again. </p>
<p>This is where the value of p2p actually comes in. Artists, whose work you can no longer buy for love nor money are still available there. It&#8217;s just about the only place besides getting lucky and blundering into to them in a backyard sale. When was the last time you saw a copy of say, &#8220;The Archies&#8221;, The Royal Guardsmen, or &#8220;1910 Fruit Gum Company&#8221; being sold new? While most will I am sure agree with me that not all the works of those groups were anything but filler, each had a hit that is almost unknown today, yet the copyright is still being held on them. </p>
<p>If it is that copyright is to be extended so long, it should also be a requirement of the holder to maintain a copy for public domain at the expiration time of the copyright. There is nothing that prevents any holder from just chunking the work to make room in the archives for some thing new and of commerial value.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35824</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 07:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. If a company wants to get or more probably extend their copyright on something they should have to prove they are actively promoting and making money off the product. Even down to individual pieces of the content, eg episodes of a series, or one out of a dozen action figures. If it&#039;s not being promoted or at least sold, it&#039;s made public domain.

Of course a law like that would be quickly bri....errr... lobbied out of existence, but i think the attempt should be made. The fact that it&#039;s illegal to try and get copies of content made by companies that haven&#039;t existed for over 10 or more years is ridiculous. And the fact that ppl buy up old IP intending to do nothing with it other than sue &quot;infringers&quot; is also ridiculous.

Sell it or lose it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. If a company wants to get or more probably extend their copyright on something they should have to prove they are actively promoting and making money off the product. Even down to individual pieces of the content, eg episodes of a series, or one out of a dozen action figures. If it&#8217;s not being promoted or at least sold, it&#8217;s made public domain.</p>
<p>Of course a law like that would be quickly bri&#8230;.errr&#8230; lobbied out of existence, but i think the attempt should be made. The fact that it&#8217;s illegal to try and get copies of content made by companies that haven&#8217;t existed for over 10 or more years is ridiculous. And the fact that ppl buy up old IP intending to do nothing with it other than sue &#8220;infringers&#8221; is also ridiculous.</p>
<p>Sell it or lose it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35820</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DVD Region free matey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DVD Region free matey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35813</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a point.

However, sales may have been much better had they not limited availability to region 1...especially since it was created by a British studio and Great Britain is region 2!  Hello!

I think it is ridiculous for them to hold onto the copyright to content if they aren&#039;t going to do anything with it.  If they aren&#039;t going to use it, release it to the public domain!  Let the fans do the work.  How does the copyright serve anyone if no one ever gets to see it again?

It&#039;s like cleaning out the attic.  If you can&#039;t use what you find up there, you can either: leave it sitting up there gathering dust; throw it out; or donate it to the needy who can get some use out of it.  Which of these scenarios is most beneficial?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a point.</p>
<p>However, sales may have been much better had they not limited availability to region 1&#8230;especially since it was created by a British studio and Great Britain is region 2!  Hello!</p>
<p>I think it is ridiculous for them to hold onto the copyright to content if they aren&#8217;t going to do anything with it.  If they aren&#8217;t going to use it, release it to the public domain!  Let the fans do the work.  How does the copyright serve anyone if no one ever gets to see it again?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like cleaning out the attic.  If you can&#8217;t use what you find up there, you can either: leave it sitting up there gathering dust; throw it out; or donate it to the needy who can get some use out of it.  Which of these scenarios is most beneficial?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35809</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 03:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it may take &quot;$500 of software&quot; to convert a show to DVD it takes a lot more than that to actually do the job... like the playback decks are in the $hundreds an hour, high quality digitizing is hundreds an hour, quality compression also takes a skilled (expensive) employee and either expensive hardware or long render times in software.

Then the disc has to be authored.

Specious arguments do not help what is otherwise a reasonably sound story. It may be that the cost of producing the DVD, and the minimum run of 1000 discs, isn&#039;t going to be covered by the demand as evidenced by the purchases of Season 1 and Season 2 on DVD.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it may take &#8220;$500 of software&#8221; to convert a show to DVD it takes a lot more than that to actually do the job&#8230; like the playback decks are in the $hundreds an hour, high quality digitizing is hundreds an hour, quality compression also takes a skilled (expensive) employee and either expensive hardware or long render times in software.</p>
<p>Then the disc has to be authored.</p>
<p>Specious arguments do not help what is otherwise a reasonably sound story. It may be that the cost of producing the DVD, and the minimum run of 1000 discs, isn&#8217;t going to be covered by the demand as evidenced by the purchases of Season 1 and Season 2 on DVD.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35806</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...George Lucas deciding that he&#039;s not going to release The Empire Strikes Back in a Collectors Edition Star Wars boxed set.

Or not releasing the ORIGINAL Star wars episodes on DVD.  The ones without the digital junk added to it.

If they&#039;re not going to try to make money on something, they don&#039;t need or deserve a copyright on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;George Lucas deciding that he&#8217;s not going to release The Empire Strikes Back in a Collectors Edition Star Wars boxed set.</p>
<p>Or not releasing the ORIGINAL Star wars episodes on DVD.  The ones without the digital junk added to it.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re not going to try to make money on something, they don&#8217;t need or deserve a copyright on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8107/comment-page-1#comment-35795</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader's Write</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly; I think part of the &quot;bargain&quot; between consumers agreeing to pay for content and producers making it available, should be that the producers agree to actually make available any existing content that a consumer wants. There can be no rational excuse for withdrawing content from sale or refusing to offer it, unless it somehow fails new standards of acceptability.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly; I think part of the &#8220;bargain&#8221; between consumers agreeing to pay for content and producers making it available, should be that the producers agree to actually make available any existing content that a consumer wants. There can be no rational excuse for withdrawing content from sale or refusing to offer it, unless it somehow fails new standards of acceptability.</p>
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