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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37786</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37769</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time you use your "logic" mr Alex H. apply reverse engineering on it and you'll see more beneficial results.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time you use your &#8220;logic&#8221; mr Alex H. apply reverse engineering on it and you&#8217;ll see more beneficial results.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37615</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37615</guid>
		<description>I don't agree with lots of the above comment:

* .xxx is not a requirement. You say people will be pressured into moving to a .xxx domain? I say people are currently under just as much pressure to shut down their websites completely. Okay, so if you're a weak person, you cave in and do what they say.

* 1st Ammendment rights. Not everyone lives in the U.S. for a start, and if I remember correctly, it's actually up do the individual to defend their rights. What are you going to do: give your rights to someone else to look after and hope they don't screw you? Someone steps on your rights, you do something about it.

* The DMCA was NEVER about protecting artists and inventors. It was about giving people the ability to litigate other people they don't like. There was a LOT of debate when the DMCA was first suggested and the people who matter (artists and inventors) almost unanimously said it was a crap idea. Further to that, the DMCA is soooo ambiguous that you couldn't seriously call it a definative document, which is kinda important when you're talking about "rights". If fairy tails were written with the same level of ambiguity as the DMCA, you could be forgiven for thinking the Big Bad Wolf was the one who killed the giant and Goldilocks was in love with the Gingerbread goose.

* Are you perhaps suggesting that having an "X" rating for porno DVDs means that the creators are being unfairly silenced? Why not get rid of the "R" rating so that horror film producers can show their art to EVERYONE, including small children?

Free speach means you get the right to say what you like. It doesn't mean people will listen, .xxx or no .xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree with lots of the above comment:</p>
<p>* .xxx is not a requirement. You say people will be pressured into moving to a .xxx domain? I say people are currently under just as much pressure to shut down their websites completely. Okay, so if you&#8217;re a weak person, you cave in and do what they say.</p>
<p>* 1st Ammendment rights. Not everyone lives in the U.S. for a start, and if I remember correctly, it&#8217;s actually up do the individual to defend their rights. What are you going to do: give your rights to someone else to look after and hope they don&#8217;t screw you? Someone steps on your rights, you do something about it.</p>
<p>* The DMCA was NEVER about protecting artists and inventors. It was about giving people the ability to litigate other people they don&#8217;t like. There was a LOT of debate when the DMCA was first suggested and the people who matter (artists and inventors) almost unanimously said it was a crap idea. Further to that, the DMCA is soooo ambiguous that you couldn&#8217;t seriously call it a definative document, which is kinda important when you&#8217;re talking about &#8220;rights&#8221;. If fairy tails were written with the same level of ambiguity as the DMCA, you could be forgiven for thinking the Big Bad Wolf was the one who killed the giant and Goldilocks was in love with the Gingerbread goose.</p>
<p>* Are you perhaps suggesting that having an &#8220;X&#8221; rating for porno DVDs means that the creators are being unfairly silenced? Why not get rid of the &#8220;R&#8221; rating so that horror film producers can show their art to EVERYONE, including small children?</p>
<p>Free speach means you get the right to say what you like. It doesn&#8217;t mean people will listen, .xxx or no .xxx</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37603</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37603</guid>
		<description>Am I the only person that knows the abbreviation is TLD, not TDL?  What's that crap all about?  When was the last time you bought a BWM car?  How about a car with a VCET engine?

The problem with the .xxx TLD is that people are going to try to force any site they deem "indecent" off of .com/net/org/info/etc onto .xxx to try and segregate it from the "proper" internet.  The existing domain suffix set is generally ignored (how many .net domains exist that are not Internet service providers or network-related sites?).  The problem is not pushing all the hardcore pornography that shows explicit images of sexual activity--it's what happens when you mix a little Political Correctness (TM) with ingredients such as Being Offended, Playing the Race Card, Disagreeing with Opinions, or even Pushing Your Beliefs Onto Others.

Throw together these kinds of ingredients, and you end up with not only the porn that .xxx was intended for being thrown there, but a general movement to make content filtration unnecessary by pressuring anyone who isn't big enough to resist or has something to lose out of the mainstream TLDs and into .xxx, regardless of pornographic content.  I foresee the exploitation of the existence of an .xxx TLD, where .xxx doesn't stand for "Triple X" but evolves into "[Potentially] Offensive to SOMEONE Out There."

That's why .xxx shouldn't exist.  Not because I want children to get their hands on porn (.xxx would make that EASIER, but that's another can-O-worms), but because public pressures will force non-pornographic sites that happen to offend any given group into the "bad for children " TLD.

In other words, it will be exploited by radicals to silence freedom of speech and infringe on First Amendment rights of others in favor of pushing an agenda or two via censorship.

Tell me I'm not right.  We've seen the exploitation of well-meaning things like this before.  Look at the DMCA abuses and the RIAA lawsuits.  I don't know 100% of the facts of each case, but almost every single case prosecuted under these categories are using laws that were meant to help people keep an incentive to create content, yet instead the law is being used to try to suppress competitors and researchers (printer cartridge competition and security research on DRM software, as examples).  The DMCA is SUPPOSED to protect copyright holders (which it is overbroad in doing, mind you), but it is mainly being used to silence others and shut down people that someone who has a lot of dollars in the bank doesn't like.

.xxx = another easy way to erode freedom of speech and press.  Go to:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=websense

And see how offended you can get.  Maddox's entire site is quite amusing to me, but there are many who are offended by it.  This site is one of many that could easily end up being pushed into .xxx by a bunch of overzealous mothers, kind of like the process he details on the link I provided.  He's not showing even a nipple on the page, but it's likely he'd end up in .xxx because of a pooling of dollars to shut him out of .com webspace and into .xxx instead.  HE HAS A RIGHT TO SAY WHAT HE SAYS.  Even if you don't like it, there's no race hate speech, only strongly articulated opinion, but I guarantee you that someone will find some way to push it away--legally.

That would be a disaster.  Especially because you may very well be next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only person that knows the abbreviation is TLD, not TDL?  What&#8217;s that crap all about?  When was the last time you bought a BWM car?  How about a car with a VCET engine?</p>
<p>The problem with the .xxx TLD is that people are going to try to force any site they deem &#8220;indecent&#8221; off of .com/net/org/info/etc onto .xxx to try and segregate it from the &#8220;proper&#8221; internet.  The existing domain suffix set is generally ignored (how many .net domains exist that are not Internet service providers or network-related sites?).  The problem is not pushing all the hardcore pornography that shows explicit images of sexual activity&#8211;it&#8217;s what happens when you mix a little Political Correctness (TM) with ingredients such as Being Offended, Playing the Race Card, Disagreeing with Opinions, or even Pushing Your Beliefs Onto Others.</p>
<p>Throw together these kinds of ingredients, and you end up with not only the porn that .xxx was intended for being thrown there, but a general movement to make content filtration unnecessary by pressuring anyone who isn&#8217;t big enough to resist or has something to lose out of the mainstream TLDs and into .xxx, regardless of pornographic content.  I foresee the exploitation of the existence of an .xxx TLD, where .xxx doesn&#8217;t stand for &#8220;Triple X&#8221; but evolves into &#8220;[Potentially] Offensive to SOMEONE Out There.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why .xxx shouldn&#8217;t exist.  Not because I want children to get their hands on porn (.xxx would make that EASIER, but that&#8217;s another can-O-worms), but because public pressures will force non-pornographic sites that happen to offend any given group into the &#8220;bad for children &#8221; TLD.</p>
<p>In other words, it will be exploited by radicals to silence freedom of speech and infringe on First Amendment rights of others in favor of pushing an agenda or two via censorship.</p>
<p>Tell me I&#8217;m not right.  We&#8217;ve seen the exploitation of well-meaning things like this before.  Look at the DMCA abuses and the RIAA lawsuits.  I don&#8217;t know 100% of the facts of each case, but almost every single case prosecuted under these categories are using laws that were meant to help people keep an incentive to create content, yet instead the law is being used to try to suppress competitors and researchers (printer cartridge competition and security research on DRM software, as examples).  The DMCA is SUPPOSED to protect copyright holders (which it is overbroad in doing, mind you), but it is mainly being used to silence others and shut down people that someone who has a lot of dollars in the bank doesn&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>.xxx = another easy way to erode freedom of speech and press.  Go to:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=websense" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=websense</a></p>
<p>And see how offended you can get.  Maddox&#8217;s entire site is quite amusing to me, but there are many who are offended by it.  This site is one of many that could easily end up being pushed into .xxx by a bunch of overzealous mothers, kind of like the process he details on the link I provided.  He&#8217;s not showing even a nipple on the page, but it&#8217;s likely he&#8217;d end up in .xxx because of a pooling of dollars to shut him out of .com webspace and into .xxx instead.  HE HAS A RIGHT TO SAY WHAT HE SAYS.  Even if you don&#8217;t like it, there&#8217;s no race hate speech, only strongly articulated opinion, but I guarantee you that someone will find some way to push it away&#8211;legally.</p>
<p>That would be a disaster.  Especially because you may very well be next.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37587</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37587</guid>
		<description>The Internet was first created by DARPA, a US military research agency, as ARPANET, which then evolved into various forms, and into the form you see today.

The WORLD WIDE WEB was created by Tim Berners Lee, a dude from CERN in Switzerland.

Moral of the story: Internet == US creation. WWW == Swiss creation.

Since this article deals with TLDs, and TLDs for for WWW use, you should say WWW, not Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Internet was first created by DARPA, a US military research agency, as ARPANET, which then evolved into various forms, and into the form you see today.</p>
<p>The WORLD WIDE WEB was created by Tim Berners Lee, a dude from CERN in Switzerland.</p>
<p>Moral of the story: Internet == US creation. WWW == Swiss creation.</p>
<p>Since this article deals with TLDs, and TLDs for for WWW use, you should say WWW, not Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37580</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of the web is made up of oil related content? Take that number and compare it to the percentage of content that is porn. Theres you're answer.

.xxx is about the importance/relevence of the content. Look at the .coop TDL that was created recently - there are only some 10s of thousands of community co-operatives in the world, but in many places they are a vital part of society and have been recognised as such by being thier own TDL.

Adult content was in many ways responsible for the popularity of the internet and considering how much porn their is out there, it might be a good idea if people want to classify it as such with a TDL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of the web is made up of oil related content? Take that number and compare it to the percentage of content that is porn. Theres you&#8217;re answer.</p>
<p>.xxx is about the importance/relevence of the content. Look at the .coop TDL that was created recently - there are only some 10s of thousands of community co-operatives in the world, but in many places they are a vital part of society and have been recognised as such by being thier own TDL.</p>
<p>Adult content was in many ways responsible for the popularity of the internet and considering how much porn their is out there, it might be a good idea if people want to classify it as such with a TDL.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37568</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think if .xxx is necessary.  Then they would have to create TLDs for every web theme.  How about .air for airlines or vacuum cleaner companies, .car for car companies, .oil for oil companies or deep fryers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think if .xxx is necessary.  Then they would have to create TLDs for every web theme.  How about .air for airlines or vacuum cleaner companies, .car for car companies, .oil for oil companies or deep fryers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37566</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37566</guid>
		<description>So why not do what the article says and create a .xxx domain to categorize and regulate adult stuff AND THEN create a .kids domain to categorize and regulate family friendly stuff?

Why not do both? It would separate the content much more effectivly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why not do what the article says and create a .xxx domain to categorize and regulate adult stuff AND THEN create a .kids domain to categorize and regulate family friendly stuff?</p>
<p>Why not do both? It would separate the content much more effectivly.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37562</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37562</guid>
		<description>Have you read the law?

tard ... good come back, you sure told him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read the law?</p>
<p>tard &#8230; good come back, you sure told him.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37556</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 04:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37556</guid>
		<description>Nobody said you'd have to use the TDL, tard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody said you&#8217;d have to use the TDL, tard.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8433#comment-37553</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a break! If I decide to post one nude photo on my website, it doesn't make me a pornographer. Nor do I want to pay extra fees attached to an xxx domain for that one measly photo. 

The better fix is create a kids only, family friendly domain. That way I can set up my kids' filter to only allow that domain. I care what kids look at, but this ain't gonna fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break! If I decide to post one nude photo on my website, it doesn&#8217;t make me a pornographer. Nor do I want to pay extra fees attached to an xxx domain for that one measly photo. </p>
<p>The better fix is create a kids only, family friendly domain. That way I can set up my kids&#8217; filter to only allow that domain. I care what kids look at, but this ain&#8217;t gonna fix it.</p>
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