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	<title>Comments on: New RIAA p2p terror tactic</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39641</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39641</guid>
		<description>Ulltimately, people can't be held responsible for any and all activities on their computer. If an aquantaince uses your machine to browse the internet, and unbeknownst to you downloads files from a p2p or torrent network, why would  you definitely be culpable. 
If someone comes to your house for dinner and asks if they can use your phone, and while you are entertaining your other guests, they place a call and make a bomb threat without your knowledge, you can't be held responsible for committing a felony.
You had no idea of what was taking place, and were in now way responsible for the crime. All you did was innocently allow a person to borrow the use of your telephone. 
How can anyone prove what activity on your computer over the internet etc was definitely placed by you? If if they trace your IP address, that's not proff beyond a reasonable doubt that someone else wasn't using your computer. That would apply even to many hours over the course of one or two days. Activity over a period of more than a week or so, obviously would tend to be more suspect as it would imply a long term resident in your house. 
However, for the most part, you can't be held responsible for every phone call made on your phone, or every log on or protocol, or file downloaded onto your computer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ulltimately, people can&#8217;t be held responsible for any and all activities on their computer. If an aquantaince uses your machine to browse the internet, and unbeknownst to you downloads files from a p2p or torrent network, why would  you definitely be culpable.<br />
If someone comes to your house for dinner and asks if they can use your phone, and while you are entertaining your other guests, they place a call and make a bomb threat without your knowledge, you can&#8217;t be held responsible for committing a felony.<br />
You had no idea of what was taking place, and were in now way responsible for the crime. All you did was innocently allow a person to borrow the use of your telephone.<br />
How can anyone prove what activity on your computer over the internet etc was definitely placed by you? If if they trace your IP address, that&#8217;s not proff beyond a reasonable doubt that someone else wasn&#8217;t using your computer. That would apply even to many hours over the course of one or two days. Activity over a period of more than a week or so, obviously would tend to be more suspect as it would imply a long term resident in your house.<br />
However, for the most part, you can&#8217;t be held responsible for every phone call made on your phone, or every log on or protocol, or file downloaded onto your computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39637</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39637</guid>
		<description>"The Big Four claim file sharing without their knowledge or permission is a crime."

How about if I email them to say I'm downloading :)

therefor knowing and not a crime ?! (lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Big Four claim file sharing without their knowledge or permission is a crime.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about if I email them to say I&#8217;m downloading <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>therefor knowing and not a crime ?! (lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39163</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39163</guid>
		<description>'No that's right it's the law to protect the people from bad people.... '


Sure , only 
- replace the first people with corporation
- replace bad people with ordinary people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;No that&#8217;s right it&#8217;s the law to protect the people from bad people&#8230;. &#8216;</p>
<p>Sure , only<br />
- replace the first people with corporation<br />
- replace bad people with ordinary people</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39162</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39162</guid>
		<description>It's amazing how the so called 'free' countries are heading towards  'free to do what the corporations tell you you can' .

No that's right it's the law to protect the people from bad people.... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how the so called &#8216;free&#8217; countries are heading towards  &#8216;free to do what the corporations tell you you can&#8217; .</p>
<p>No that&#8217;s right it&#8217;s the law to protect the people from bad people&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39161</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39161</guid>
		<description>It's called bribes. Brought to you by the 'consumer' everytime an overpriced product is purchased (or rented, leased, whatever the hell you do with software/drm infected product, cause it sure the hell isn't purchase).   And as long as they can keep purchasing laws to prop up their overpricing and control, it will continue.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s called bribes. Brought to you by the &#8216;consumer&#8217; everytime an overpriced product is purchased (or rented, leased, whatever the hell you do with software/drm infected product, cause it sure the hell isn&#8217;t purchase).   And as long as they can keep purchasing laws to prop up their overpricing and control, it will continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39152</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39152</guid>
		<description>I use the example of Champernowne's Number as a way to show 
simply how all the music can possibly come from just one number. 

It takes a lot of insight to see how it can work, but after that,
it takes less to make it practical, since this is NOT just some mere 
and dismissable division by zero error like it seems to be!

It does scare the RIAA to death!

They illegally hacked into my computer, 
put crappy Mp3's on it to frame me, 
saw what I was doing with the math,
and for sure they can't and won't sue me! 
They are SO BUSTED!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the example of Champernowne&#8217;s Number as a way to show<br />
simply how all the music can possibly come from just one number. </p>
<p>It takes a lot of insight to see how it can work, but after that,<br />
it takes less to make it practical, since this is NOT just some mere<br />
and dismissable division by zero error like it seems to be!</p>
<p>It does scare the RIAA to death!</p>
<p>They illegally hacked into my computer,<br />
put crappy Mp3&#8217;s on it to frame me,<br />
saw what I was doing with the math,<br />
and for sure they can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t sue me!<br />
They are SO BUSTED!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39099</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39099</guid>
		<description>Why do THEY get by with this ___TERRORISM___?!?!? Anyone ever wonder about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do THEY get by with this ___TERRORISM___?!?!? Anyone ever wonder about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39079</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39079</guid>
		<description>If Hitler had finished the job there wouldn't be any RIAA left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Hitler had finished the job there wouldn&#8217;t be any RIAA left.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39076</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39076</guid>
		<description>"However, the pseudo police organization was yesterday planning to carry out an unchecked 'examination' of a computer owned by someone who hadn't even appeared on its hit list of alleged file-sharing thieves.

The current RIAA law firm was hoping the victim, the friend of someone who'd received a subpoena, would be stupid enough to take the computer to the offices of an associated company. And if not, it generously offered to send its own investigator to the potential victim's home."

Do you have any links to this story? I'd love to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, the pseudo police organization was yesterday planning to carry out an unchecked &#8216;examination&#8217; of a computer owned by someone who hadn&#8217;t even appeared on its hit list of alleged file-sharing thieves.</p>
<p>The current RIAA law firm was hoping the victim, the friend of someone who&#8217;d received a subpoena, would be stupid enough to take the computer to the offices of an associated company. And if not, it generously offered to send its own investigator to the potential victim&#8217;s home.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have any links to this story? I&#8217;d love to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39048</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39048</guid>
		<description>so close yet so far. you are thinking the right way however you've not quite got there yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so close yet so far. you are thinking the right way however you&#8217;ve not quite got there yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39039</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39039</guid>
		<description>This activity is cyber-bullying. Since it is related to being online and there are many files with open copyright some stupid judges ought to realize they are being managed into participating in this action.

Specific files need to be mentioned as each copyright infringement is a case. If one file is of "open source" and it is included in a bulk, blanked non descript accusation it seems to me this would be a problem.

One loss, which they have incurred should require legislation against this cyber-bullying. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This activity is cyber-bullying. Since it is related to being online and there are many files with open copyright some stupid judges ought to realize they are being managed into participating in this action.</p>
<p>Specific files need to be mentioned as each copyright infringement is a case. If one file is of &#8220;open source&#8221; and it is included in a bulk, blanked non descript accusation it seems to me this would be a problem.</p>
<p>One loss, which they have incurred should require legislation against this cyber-bullying.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39023</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39023</guid>
		<description>"c) The simple fact that the average person doesn't see or feel a need for it."

Nor will the average person be able to afford it if a gallon of gas climbs to $4 this year. Necessity will trump luxury every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;c) The simple fact that the average person doesn&#8217;t see or feel a need for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nor will the average person be able to afford it if a gallon of gas climbs to $4 this year. Necessity will trump luxury every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39022</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39022</guid>
		<description>You know... whether or not this newest story is credible or not, this entire effort has become laughable. Not to those unfortunate enough to become victims of this greedy crusade, I truly feel their pain, but overall the RIAA (Recording Industry Assholes of America) is accomplishing nothing. They've outlived their usefulness, they're turning away more customers then they're attracting, and they are so out of touch with what people actually want that there is no longer any hope for them. They're not terrorizing anyone but an unfortunate few... the careless and unknowledgable noobs. For the rest, it's sharing as usual.
Ooh, in 3 years they've gotten, what is it? About 4,000 settlements, out of about 19,000 cases, out of an estimated 61,000,000 stateside sharers? Hardly scary stuff. The shock value has long worn off, and just as "King George" is learning, the rhetoric can't brainwash people forever.

My predictions for this year are:
1. Some significant losses in the courtroom for the RIAA.
2. Many bought and paid for career polititians getting the boot. (Mostly Bushite)
3. The number of simultaneous users finally cracking the 10,000,000 mark at any given moment.
4. The continuing decline of CD sales. Not because of filesharing, but because of the real reasons...
 a) Their contempt towards their customers.
 b) Their insistence in overpricing their product as they...
 c) Continue to devalue ther product with DRM.
 d) Their lack of abilitly to sign any real talent that can produce 10 or more good songs in a single year.
And for the MPAA...
5. The complete bomb of next gen DVD in any format because of...
 a) The outrageous costs.
 b) Their inability to compromise on a single format.
 c) The simple fact that the average person doesn't see or feel a need for it.

Beyond that I have some wishes, such as a momentum gathering revolt by the "artists", but in reality I don't expect that to happen anytime soon due to the fact that the RIAA doesn't employ any real artists. The no-talent "artists" they employ NEED the RIAA otherwise they'd be working at McDonaolds. The indies employ the real talent out there and are nurturing them to become bigger and even better... something the cookie cutter labels are unwilling to do.

'Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230; whether or not this newest story is credible or not, this entire effort has become laughable. Not to those unfortunate enough to become victims of this greedy crusade, I truly feel their pain, but overall the RIAA (Recording Industry Assholes of America) is accomplishing nothing. They&#8217;ve outlived their usefulness, they&#8217;re turning away more customers then they&#8217;re attracting, and they are so out of touch with what people actually want that there is no longer any hope for them. They&#8217;re not terrorizing anyone but an unfortunate few&#8230; the careless and unknowledgable noobs. For the rest, it&#8217;s sharing as usual.<br />
Ooh, in 3 years they&#8217;ve gotten, what is it? About 4,000 settlements, out of about 19,000 cases, out of an estimated 61,000,000 stateside sharers? Hardly scary stuff. The shock value has long worn off, and just as &#8220;King George&#8221; is learning, the rhetoric can&#8217;t brainwash people forever.</p>
<p>My predictions for this year are:<br />
1. Some significant losses in the courtroom for the RIAA.<br />
2. Many bought and paid for career polititians getting the boot. (Mostly Bushite)<br />
3. The number of simultaneous users finally cracking the 10,000,000 mark at any given moment.<br />
4. The continuing decline of CD sales. Not because of filesharing, but because of the real reasons&#8230;<br />
 a) Their contempt towards their customers.<br />
 b) Their insistence in overpricing their product as they&#8230;<br />
 c) Continue to devalue ther product with DRM.<br />
 d) Their lack of abilitly to sign any real talent that can produce 10 or more good songs in a single year.<br />
And for the MPAA&#8230;<br />
5. The complete bomb of next gen DVD in any format because of&#8230;<br />
 a) The outrageous costs.<br />
 b) Their inability to compromise on a single format.<br />
 c) The simple fact that the average person doesn&#8217;t see or feel a need for it.</p>
<p>Beyond that I have some wishes, such as a momentum gathering revolt by the &#8220;artists&#8221;, but in reality I don&#8217;t expect that to happen anytime soon due to the fact that the RIAA doesn&#8217;t employ any real artists. The no-talent &#8220;artists&#8221; they employ NEED the RIAA otherwise they&#8217;d be working at McDonaolds. The indies employ the real talent out there and are nurturing them to become bigger and even better&#8230; something the cookie cutter labels are unwilling to do.</p>
<p>&#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39019</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39019</guid>
		<description>The RIAA is terrified of the number 0.1234567891011121314151617181920212223...infinity.

The number existed before the RIAA and numbers are public domain.
The number contains all possible digital data.
The number can be cut into a file using elementary integer arithmetic.
The number has been used to make digital music since before the invention of the CD.

RIAA members have never created any digital data that is not in that number already.
The number of possible songs of average length is finite, which means you don't have to calculate to infinity, only to fill the amount of RAM required to store a song. If that RAM were full of one-bits, it would contain a Multiple of the number of possible unique audible sounds that could fit in it!

SONY agreed I may freely distribute any sound derived from this number and I agreed with them that for this reason they need not replace a rootkit-damaged computer, since all the sound files on it were extracted from the number and therefore I had not lost anything but I could resynthesize them all at any time, and so may anyone else, without copying anything. IT'S ORIGINAL!

RIAA knows about this and if you are sued, get your math professor as a witness that your file is a finite integer that is just one of millions that happen to sound like familiar music if transmitted by some means into a speaker, even one of millions that sound the same, and existed in Champernowne's Number since before the invention of the electronic computer or "digital sound" or any subsequent recording was made.

If you are interested in math and music, this information is the basis of playing music without copying it. We all are free to even SELL things that mathematically synthesize sound this way. Not only sound, but the sum of all knowledge that people can possibly learn from a computer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RIAA is terrified of the number 0.1234567891011121314151617181920212223&#8230;infinity.</p>
<p>The number existed before the RIAA and numbers are public domain.<br />
The number contains all possible digital data.<br />
The number can be cut into a file using elementary integer arithmetic.<br />
The number has been used to make digital music since before the invention of the CD.</p>
<p>RIAA members have never created any digital data that is not in that number already.<br />
The number of possible songs of average length is finite, which means you don&#8217;t have to calculate to infinity, only to fill the amount of RAM required to store a song. If that RAM were full of one-bits, it would contain a Multiple of the number of possible unique audible sounds that could fit in it!</p>
<p>SONY agreed I may freely distribute any sound derived from this number and I agreed with them that for this reason they need not replace a rootkit-damaged computer, since all the sound files on it were extracted from the number and therefore I had not lost anything but I could resynthesize them all at any time, and so may anyone else, without copying anything. IT&#8217;S ORIGINAL!</p>
<p>RIAA knows about this and if you are sued, get your math professor as a witness that your file is a finite integer that is just one of millions that happen to sound like familiar music if transmitted by some means into a speaker, even one of millions that sound the same, and existed in Champernowne&#8217;s Number since before the invention of the electronic computer or &#8220;digital sound&#8221; or any subsequent recording was made.</p>
<p>If you are interested in math and music, this information is the basis of playing music without copying it. We all are free to even SELL things that mathematically synthesize sound this way. Not only sound, but the sum of all knowledge that people can possibly learn from a computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39011</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39011</guid>
		<description>Nicely said.

I just read a much shorter take on this at Slyck, too.  Here, as at Slyck, the only reference to source material in this article specifies an article from the Charlotte Observer.  After extensive searhing and telephoning, I'm unable to find anything... anything at all... coroborating this story.  I note that Mike Drummond (staff writer for the Charlotte Observer, his by-line appears on their story) appears to be a respected journalist who has been in this business for some time.  In his article he references data supposedly available to him in this matter - such as names and phone numbers of defendants - that I find hard to believe.

Can anyone cite any credible corroboration in this matter?  Or possibly  explain the apparent lack of reality in it?

P.S. - I hope no one misinterprets my request for clarification here to be accusatory or defamatory in any way... It isn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said.</p>
<p>I just read a much shorter take on this at Slyck, too.  Here, as at Slyck, the only reference to source material in this article specifies an article from the Charlotte Observer.  After extensive searhing and telephoning, I&#8217;m unable to find anything&#8230; anything at all&#8230; coroborating this story.  I note that Mike Drummond (staff writer for the Charlotte Observer, his by-line appears on their story) appears to be a respected journalist who has been in this business for some time.  In his article he references data supposedly available to him in this matter - such as names and phone numbers of defendants - that I find hard to believe.</p>
<p>Can anyone cite any credible corroboration in this matter?  Or possibly  explain the apparent lack of reality in it?</p>
<p>P.S. - I hope no one misinterprets my request for clarification here to be accusatory or defamatory in any way&#8230; It isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39003</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39003</guid>
		<description>Well reported.

NP</description>
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<p>NP</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39001</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-39001</guid>
		<description>anybody who uses p2p networks should be encrypting their data...sad what the world has come to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anybody who uses p2p networks should be encrypting their data&#8230;sad what the world has come to.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-38993</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8610#comment-38993</guid>
		<description>Scum is as scum does.</description>
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