Comments on: Spammers: BIG mistake

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Fri, 26 May 2006 22:03:51 +0000

Way to go BlueSecurity. I fully believe that retaliative measures have become necessary as spammers have intentionally misplaced their ethics. Spammers are preying on the internet to exploit everyone they can to get free advertisement. Douglas Elliot, what a hippocrite, to claim that it is not fair for the crap you dish out to get dealt back to you is insane. It’s about time to declare “war” on spammers, they need to pay to advertise just like legetimate businesses have done for decades.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 18 May 2006 02:33:00 +0000

Looks like the spammers have won the first battle but well done to Blue Security for finding the way to eventually win the war. If you read the transcripts of the spammers discussion on specialham.com then they are clearly worried.

I like your idea about a p2p version. Just remember that people involved in fighting spam need to be very careful. I am sure one of the reasons behind the closure of Blue Security was violent threats made against the people involved. These guys are not geeks but mafia and will do anything to protect their interests.

That’s not a reason to give up. Just be aware…

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 17 May 2006 23:33:04 +0000

Granted I’m not a computer guru, but would it be possible to write a program that essentially did the same thing as BlueSecurity, just on the client side. What I mean is, would a program that took a spam mail, extracted the information, and posted a generic “remove me from the spam list” on the relevant websites, but with no connection to anyone else work? If enough people did this, it seems like it would have the same effect as BlueSecurity but without the susceptibility of a centralized server or even a decentralized network. Updates of some sort would probably be needed to keep up with the web addresses of advertisers, but at least to me it seems reasonable.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Mon, 15 May 2006 19:52:07 +0000

rofl, here’s our next Neo in the making.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 11 May 2006 04:38:28 +0000

Same on http://p2pnet.net/story/8729 and probably the same answer as below

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 11 May 2006 04:31:10 +0000

someone above mentioned “playing fair”. i don’t think you’ll find anyone else with a news website who plays fairer than jon newton.

i don’t know about your missing messages. it’s happened to me, too. the best thing to do when that happens is to email jon immediately so he can sort the problem out.

i think there was a server change a month ago, so there might have been someglitches. but again, you must email jon to make him aware of a problem so he can get it sorted. i don’t have admin access, so i can’t tell you anything specific.

when this site gets those spams, like the ones i alerted jon about, it’s possible that in his haste he mistakenly deletes a real reply. he’s only human.

the best thing is to always email jon. he reads and answers all emails himself. he gets the problem fixed and explains it to everyone.

i don’t think you can play fairer than that.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 11 May 2006 03:36:24 +0000

he who smelt it dealt it

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Thu, 11 May 2006 03:20:42 +0000

Not too long ago (within the past month or so’s time) I posted a non-spam reply to a now-forgotten item here on p2pnet.net. I then returned to the main story, refreshed, clicked on the Comments (or whatever) link, and saw…. _nothing_.

Yes; there was an indication (”1 comment”, “2 comments”; whatever), but nothing to actually see, once at the Comments area. I must have refreshed a half-dozen times at least (including clearing Firefox’s cache, ad nauseum), but neither my comment or anything else appeared.

So, I tapped the “Back” button a few times, recovered the text of my original message, then posted it a second time, with the Subject-line including “2nd try”, in part (the remainder was neither spam nor profanity). Also included was an “admonishion” to the site-op; that, too, did not include profanity.

So to perhaps more-precisely refute/answer your comment of “they were all spam messages”, I say this: Why was _*my*_ commentary held back, until the proverbial tiger’s tail was twisted?

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 23:00:50 +0000

Way simplified… and very naive.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 22:58:42 +0000

What exactly will you do in court with the owner of the domain? It’s your own damn fault for not registering the domain when you named the company.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 22:51:19 +0000

You have no idea wtf you’re talking about… do you?

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 20:29:43 +0000

how do you sue a spammer when you can’t find them?? or if they are outside your country and the govt won’t get involved??

but on the other hand there are other ways around that. our company wanted to get a domain name that matched the company. it was already taken but not in use because the owner was squatting on it for big $$. we used a service that tracks the email. so every mail stop it went thru sent a reply back to us telling us the IP and location of where it went thru. and when the owner opened the email it sent us a reply (without the owner or mail stops knowing) and we found out his real name and address and took him to court.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 19:21:24 +0000

Thank you for the address of the spam site to attack .

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 19:19:58 +0000

A Truism ……

Those who commit the worst atrocities are the first to whine about playing fair.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 15:54:47 +0000

Only if Jon starts to play fair!!

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 14:26:17 +0000

There are 2 business to blame here.
1 the spammer, sue them
2 advertiser, sue them. Cut off the ability to process credit cards/paypal.
3 complaint to spam advertisers about them selling there product, cut of there ability to sell something.

It other words put them out of business.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 11:28:48 +0000

That’s definitely mafia tactics the spammers use.

Time to sue them for threatening.

And to flood them with complaints for their tactics.

Arne Bab.
http://draketo.de

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 11:28:32 +0000

That’s definitely mafia tactics the spammers use.

Time to sue them for threatening.

And to flood them with complaints for their tactics.

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 05:30:31 +0000

For two years I forwarded spam mail to the FTC and Spamcop but they did little. I spent a half hour or more a day complaining and opting out of spam sites only to get an increase in spam. All CAUSE could do was complain as I was doing. I even wrote to my congressman and all I got was a nice polite letter in return but spam continued to flow freely. Can Spam was next to useless. We got “Can Spam” in 2003 and how many arrests have been made. I think we can count them on our fingers.
We all know that spammers will not identify themselves or their physical locations and they hide on the other side of national borders so what is left for us to do? That is until “Blue Security” came up with the idea to deal with spam at the source wherever they are located rather then at the receiving end with filters. “Blue frog” sends out opt out complaints on our behalf on a one for one basis after we forward our spam in to Blue Security with a couple clicks of the mouse for analysis. One complaint for one spam, a thousand complaints for a thousand spams. The spammer decides how many complaints he will receive to bog down his business by how many spams he sends to the BS membership.
What a wonderful Idea and as we see it really works. Thank goodness for the frog. —- James Junior

By: Reader's Write

Reader's Write — Wed, 10 May 2006 03:39:00 +0000

Just because spammers did this, I’m going to join Blue Security and start using Blue Frog, just to piss them off. And if I get any emails threating me, I will forward it to the FBI and the FTC for further action, and forward it back to the spammer indicating that I have done so.