Comments on: On-the-spot copyright fines http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857 p2pnet.net - reader powered Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:59:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-42270 Reader's Write Sat, 27 May 2006 07:01:28 +0000 #comment-42270 "your friend should be smart enough to know" Sorry.I dont follow the argument. Knowing if a DVD is fake or hot or smuggled or dumped or discontinued, or damaged, or used, all of which could explain low prices is not a matter of being smart. Additionally there any reason for a buyer of a low priced DVD to determine if the sale is legal or not, when the product is purchased from a store or a street vendor or an acquaintance. So, there is no reason for not reselling the low cost DVDs to anyone. Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “your friend should be smart enough to know”

Sorry.I dont follow the argument.

Knowing if a DVD is fake or hot or smuggled or dumped or discontinued, or damaged, or used, all of which could explain low prices is not a matter of being smart.

Additionally there any reason for a buyer of a low priced DVD to determine if the sale is legal or not, when the product is purchased from a store or a street vendor or an acquaintance.

So, there is no reason for not reselling the low cost DVDs to anyone.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-42170 Reader's Write Fri, 26 May 2006 21:02:47 +0000 #comment-42170 your friend should be smart enough to know that the DVDs probably come from a dodgy source and not be so stupid to sell them at a open market , your friend should be smart enough to know that the DVDs probably come from a dodgy source and not be so stupid to sell them at a open market ,

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-42152 Reader's Write Fri, 26 May 2006 16:42:24 +0000 #comment-42152 ever met a cop? even the good ones shouldn't be left to decide the guilt or innocence of someone..anyway they would only get in the way of record and film company lawyers already deciding that ever met a cop? even the good ones shouldn’t be left to decide the guilt or innocence of someone..anyway they would only get in the way of record and film company lawyers already deciding that

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-42036 Reader's Write Thu, 25 May 2006 19:36:39 +0000 #comment-42036 "This provision was written for physical piracy and the various sellers at open markets they sell counterfeit disks .The police are not going to enter your home to see if you have ripped too many copies of your favorite CD," My friend X travels frequently to a country where DVD movies are very cheap. He has purchased many of these DVD. The DVDs look and perform like the real thing. But let say that the DVDs are actually very good fakes and my friend, who suspects nothing and did nothing illegally puts them up for sale a the flea market. He, who is inocent, could get arrested and that is wrong. Clearly what should be illegal is the manufacture of fake DVDs, not the selling, if the seller is not the manufacturer, as no one should be obliged to investigate if a product for sale and purchased is fake or ligitimate. Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “This provision was written for physical piracy and the various sellers at open markets they sell counterfeit disks .The police are not going to enter your home to see if you have ripped too many copies of your favorite CD,”

My friend X travels frequently to a country where DVD movies are very cheap. He has purchased many of these DVD. The DVDs look and perform like the real thing.

But let say that the DVDs are actually very good fakes and my friend, who suspects nothing and did nothing illegally puts them up for sale a the flea market.

He, who is inocent, could get arrested and that is wrong.
Clearly what should be illegal is the manufacture of fake DVDs, not the selling, if the seller is not the manufacturer, as no one should be obliged to investigate if a product for sale and purchased is fake or ligitimate.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-42016 Reader's Write Thu, 25 May 2006 16:16:17 +0000 #comment-42016 This provision was written for physical piracy and the various sellers at open markets they sell counterfeit disks .The police are not going to enter your home to see if you have ripped too many copies of your favorite CD, This provision was written for physical piracy and the various sellers at open markets they sell counterfeit disks .The police are not going to enter your home to see if you have ripped too many copies of your favorite CD,

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-41964 Reader's Write Thu, 25 May 2006 05:43:41 +0000 #comment-41964 "They will remove the added time and expense that police would normally face in preparing a case against an offender in court... a police officer will be able to issue and on-the-spot fine to a person if the officer has reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed..." This should read: "They will remove the pain in the ass provisions that depend on a presumption of innocence, and wasting time letting people have a fair trial... a police officer will be able to issue on-the-spot fines to a person if the officer has in anyway taken a disliking to them, they cannot afford to bribe the officer, or the officer is looking for a way to improve their performance reports... and none of the money will in anyway be returned to the copyright holders or artists so this could become a nice little revenue earner for the government...." “They will remove the added time and expense that police would normally face in preparing a case against an offender in court… a police officer will be able to issue and on-the-spot fine to a person if the officer has reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed…”

This should read: “They will remove the pain in the ass provisions that depend on a presumption of innocence, and wasting time letting people have a fair trial… a police officer will be able to issue on-the-spot fines to a person if the officer has in anyway taken a disliking to them, they cannot afford to bribe the officer, or the officer is looking for a way to improve their performance reports… and none of the money will in anyway be returned to the copyright holders or artists so this could become a nice little revenue earner for the government….”

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-41958 Reader's Write Thu, 25 May 2006 05:24:40 +0000 #comment-41958 Anyone thinking the cops will actually lift a pen to write up a pirate is having themselves one wonderful trip. It will not stop the cartels from pleading with government to increase the advantage they already have when it comes to consumers who want to use the products that they buy. Maybe someone should ask the police if they are actually going to do anyting Anyone thinking the cops will actually lift a pen to write up a pirate is having themselves one wonderful trip. It will not stop the cartels from pleading with government to increase the advantage they already have when it comes to consumers who want to use the products that they buy. Maybe someone should ask the police if they are actually going to do anyting

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-41950 Reader's Write Thu, 25 May 2006 04:22:19 +0000 #comment-41950 Ya, the oz copyright laws basically havnt changed since 1968. They've made a few samll changes but the main parts date back to before tv and the internet. pretty screwed eh? Ya, the oz copyright laws basically havnt changed since 1968. They’ve made a few samll changes but the main parts date back to before tv and the internet.

pretty screwed eh?

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-41909 Reader's Write Thu, 25 May 2006 00:04:51 +0000 #comment-41909 "Australians are currently unaware that they break the law every time they record a movie from the TV or rip the contents of their CD collection onto their mp3 players." Really? WTF? Those are some messed up laws. “Australians are currently unaware that they break the law every time they record a movie from the TV or rip the contents of their CD collection onto their mp3 players.”

Really? WTF?
Those are some messed up laws.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/8857/comment-page-1#comment-41891 Reader's Write Wed, 24 May 2006 19:06:25 +0000 #comment-41891 "Oz police officers would be able make on-the-spot fines if they had, "reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed,"" Elsewhere where that similar schemes or unjust high traffic fines have been tried has resulted only in the corruption of the cops who will take a fraction of the fine for themselves over the full fine for the state. Of course, cops themselves, relatives, judges, lawyers, politicians will never be fined. Just the kids who are not savvy enough to avoid detection and too fearful to fight fabricated cases. Rafael Venegas http://www.gvenegas.com “Oz police officers would be able make on-the-spot fines if they had, “reasonable grounds to believe an offence has been committed,”"

Elsewhere where that similar schemes or unjust high traffic fines have been tried has resulted only in the corruption of the cops who will take a fraction of the fine for themselves over the full fine for the state.

Of course, cops themselves, relatives, judges, lawyers, politicians will never be fined. Just the kids who are not savvy enough to avoid detection and too fearful to fight fabricated cases.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

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