Comments on: Copyright dream http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9235 p2pnet.net - reader powered Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:11:09 -0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9235/comment-page-1#comment-56352 Reader's Write Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:30:42 +0000 #comment-56352 If copywright laws had not been turned into the black sludge it is, just think what the common pool would look like, a large part of the problems we have now would never have happened. The major players would be contibuting to the common good of this country, instead the current laws makes parasites out of copyright holders, no DRM on the commons, reset copywright to default like the founders fathers had it. I believe the time frame was described as limited. In short: 1710 act established the principles of authors' ownership of copyright and a fixed term of protection of copyrighted works (fourteen years, and renewable for fourteen more if the author was alive upon expiration). The statute prevented a monopoly on the part of the booksellers and created a "public domain" for literature by limiting terms of copyright and by ensuring that once a work was purchased the copyright owner no longer had control over its use. or publisher. ) These people had the forsite to see what was coming, our goverment set there and let this happen, I think the focus of all the sites should includ the revision of copywright law to resemble the original document If copywright laws had not been turned into the black sludge it is, just think what the common pool would look like, a large part of the problems we have now would never have happened. The major players would be contibuting to the common good of this country, instead the current laws makes parasites out of copyright holders, no DRM on the commons, reset copywright to default like the founders fathers had it. I believe the time frame was described as limited. In short: 1710 act established the principles of authors’ ownership of copyright and a fixed term of protection of copyrighted works (fourteen years, and renewable for fourteen more if the author was alive upon expiration). The statute prevented a monopoly on the part of the booksellers and created a “public domain” for literature by limiting terms of copyright and by ensuring that once a work was purchased the copyright owner no longer had control over its use. or publisher. )
These people had the forsite to see what was coming, our goverment set there and let this happen, I think the focus of all the sites should includ the revision of copywright law to resemble the original document

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9235/comment-page-1#comment-56294 Reader's Write Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:45:20 +0000 #comment-56294 Nice work, Russel, but let me comment. "But I have a dream, too: that copyright worldwide will return to something as simple as a five-year term, renewable by the creators or their heirs (not previous copyright holders) a maximum of four times (20 years), requiring full registration, starting from the date of recording (for photographs, video, sound), from the date of first publication for published works, or from the death of the creator for unpublished works." I wrote this on another post: Copyright has one purpose: Create an incentive for creators, and this is THE MORE IMPORTANT PART, so that the public has access to more works made by the creators. If the purpose were not to include THE MORE IMPORTANT PART, "so that the public has access to more works made by the creators" then the purpose would make no sense at all. Assuming the stated purpose of copyright (protection) is true, then we must apply statistics to determine how THE MORE IMPORTANT PART is maximized. Let's take the five year copyright period suggested by Russel. Thatwould be just right if THE MORE IMPORTANT PART (MIP) is maximized at years, as shown in the chart below, where x's represent the amout of works of creators that are enjoyed by the public. x M x x I x x x P x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x years 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Copyright Duration (hope the chart comes out right) I do not have the data to determine how many years of copyright protection will optimize THE MORE IMPORTANT PART. I do have a hunch that it is not the absurd number of years of present copyright duration that publishers have obtained through their lobby efforts. I also have a hunch that different cultures may need a different copyright duration. Some cultures may not even have a use for copyrights, and these should decode for themselves what thet need to do. Considering the huge cost of copyrights and copyright enforcement to the economy and the great damage that the current copyright duration does to culture, education, history and science, perhaps someone will do the right statistical study to determine the proper duration of copyright protection to maximize THE MORE IMPORTANT PART of copyright. Just a suggestion. Rafael Venegas http://www,gvenegas.com Nice work, Russel, but let me comment.

“But I have a dream, too: that copyright worldwide will return to something as simple as a five-year term, renewable by the creators or their heirs (not previous copyright holders) a maximum of four times (20 years), requiring full registration, starting from the date of recording (for photographs, video, sound), from the date of first publication for published works, or from the death of the creator for unpublished works.”

I wrote this on another post:

Copyright has one purpose: Create an incentive for creators, and this is THE MORE IMPORTANT PART, so that the public has access to more works made by the creators.

If the purpose were not to include THE MORE IMPORTANT PART, “so that the public has access to more works made by the creators” then the purpose would make no sense at all.

Assuming the stated purpose of copyright (protection) is true, then we must apply statistics to determine how THE MORE IMPORTANT PART is maximized.

Let’s take the five year copyright period suggested by Russel. Thatwould be just right if THE MORE IMPORTANT PART (MIP) is maximized at years, as shown in the chart below, where x’s represent the amout of works of creators that are enjoyed by the public.

x
M x x
I x x x
P x x x x
x x x x x x
x x x x x x x x
x x x x x x x x x x
years 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Copyright Duration

(hope the chart comes out right)

I do not have the data to determine how many years of copyright protection will optimize THE MORE IMPORTANT PART. I do have a hunch that it is not the absurd number of years of present copyright duration that publishers have obtained through their lobby efforts. I also have a hunch that different cultures may need a different copyright duration. Some cultures may not even have a use for copyrights, and these should decode for themselves what thet need to do.

Considering the huge cost of copyrights and copyright enforcement to the economy and the great damage that the current copyright duration does to culture, education, history and science, perhaps someone will do the right statistical study to determine the proper duration of copyright protection to maximize THE MORE IMPORTANT PART of copyright. Just a suggestion.

Rafael Venegas
http://www,gvenegas.com

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9235/comment-page-1#comment-56276 Reader's Write Sat, 01 Jul 2006 22:00:09 +0000 #comment-56276 This is a reminder that some abuse existing copyright to their own benefit. Maybe we should be focusing on the how to fix that since changing the time limits isn't going to stop abuse of the system. This is a reminder that some abuse existing copyright to their own benefit. Maybe we should be focusing on the how to fix that since changing the time limits isn’t going to stop abuse of the system.

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