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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-71943</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Artists don&#039;t have a &quot;right&quot; to benefit from their work. If no one wants to pay for it, sorry, don&#039;t make any more. &quot;

 Yes, ARTISTS do.
 But, as pointed out many times, because of one sided contracts
 and monopolistic, cartel-like control, The record labels prevent
 the artists from being paid. The LABELS do not have a god-given
 right to get rich as &quot;middlemen&quot;.

 Every time you read an RIAA sponsored propoganda piece,
 replace the word &#039;artist&#039; with the word &#039;Copyright Holder&#039;
 The COPYRIGHT HOLDER is the one the labels are protecting.
 In public, the RIAA mouthpieces say .. &#039;artist&#039;. In COURT however,
 in front of judges, they ALWAYS say Copyright holder.
 Why is that ???
 The LABELS hold the copyrights.

 Why don&#039;t they say that publicly ??
 They need us to just assume that Copyright Holder = Artist.
 They don&#039;t want us to know that this is one of their biggest,
 and most damaging lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Artists don&#8217;t have a &#8220;right&#8221; to benefit from their work. If no one wants to pay for it, sorry, don&#8217;t make any more. &#8221;</p>
<p> Yes, ARTISTS do.<br />
 But, as pointed out many times, because of one sided contracts<br />
 and monopolistic, cartel-like control, The record labels prevent<br />
 the artists from being paid. The LABELS do not have a god-given<br />
 right to get rich as &#8220;middlemen&#8221;.</p>
<p> Every time you read an RIAA sponsored propoganda piece,<br />
 replace the word &#8216;artist&#8217; with the word &#8216;Copyright Holder&#8217;<br />
 The COPYRIGHT HOLDER is the one the labels are protecting.<br />
 In public, the RIAA mouthpieces say .. &#8216;artist&#8217;. In COURT however,<br />
 in front of judges, they ALWAYS say Copyright holder.<br />
 Why is that ???<br />
 The LABELS hold the copyrights.</p>
<p> Why don&#8217;t they say that publicly ??<br />
 They need us to just assume that Copyright Holder = Artist.<br />
 They don&#8217;t want us to know that this is one of their biggest,<br />
 and most damaging lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-71067</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMI is a songwriters &quot;group&quot;.

Actually they are a &quot;publisher&quot; group money collectiion organization.
Almost all the money collected is paid to publisher and almot all the monet collected by publishers go to publisher bank accounts and stay there.

For many years (up to present) up 27 songs allegedly (at least one was not composed by my father - it was stolen from some unknown songwriter) composed by my father were listed in BMI&#039;s repertoire, placed there mostly by a pulisher (Peermusic, one of the big ones) who obtained most of the the songs, using their own words in a confidential letter we got our hands on, &quot;without the author suspecting&quot;. Many of these the songs were performed widely on radio here in Puerto Rico under a BMI license. My father, I believe, never received a cent from that. We heirs also did not receive a cent from those performances either for a period of over 12 years, from the music publishers.

The stories I hear from other songwriters are just as bad. They hardly ever see any of the money collected by the alleged &quot;songwriter societies, the collectives&quot;. No one audits th publisher&#039;s accounting either.

The entire publisher-collectives arrngement is just a scheme with these major characteristis:
- The repertoire of the so called songwriter collectives is not given to licensees. So they actually get a blind license. They cannot see what they get.
- The paperwork and alleged sampling is all &quot;secret&quot;.
- The accounting at the collective and at the publishers is also all &quot;secret&quot;.
- How money disbursed is all &quot;secret&quot;.
- The allegedly competing collectives (ASCAP and BMI) share directors from the same publisher companies. Clearly there is collusion here and not competition as is claimed.

In the meantime, all the songwriters get is the shaft.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com
 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMI is a songwriters &#8220;group&#8221;.</p>
<p>Actually they are a &#8220;publisher&#8221; group money collectiion organization.<br />
Almost all the money collected is paid to publisher and almot all the monet collected by publishers go to publisher bank accounts and stay there.</p>
<p>For many years (up to present) up 27 songs allegedly (at least one was not composed by my father &#8211; it was stolen from some unknown songwriter) composed by my father were listed in BMI&#8217;s repertoire, placed there mostly by a pulisher (Peermusic, one of the big ones) who obtained most of the the songs, using their own words in a confidential letter we got our hands on, &#8220;without the author suspecting&#8221;. Many of these the songs were performed widely on radio here in Puerto Rico under a BMI license. My father, I believe, never received a cent from that. We heirs also did not receive a cent from those performances either for a period of over 12 years, from the music publishers.</p>
<p>The stories I hear from other songwriters are just as bad. They hardly ever see any of the money collected by the alleged &#8220;songwriter societies, the collectives&#8221;. No one audits th publisher&#8217;s accounting either.</p>
<p>The entire publisher-collectives arrngement is just a scheme with these major characteristis:<br />
- The repertoire of the so called songwriter collectives is not given to licensees. So they actually get a blind license. They cannot see what they get.<br />
- The paperwork and alleged sampling is all &#8220;secret&#8221;.<br />
- The accounting at the collective and at the publishers is also all &#8220;secret&#8221;.<br />
- How money disbursed is all &#8220;secret&#8221;.<br />
- The allegedly competing collectives (ASCAP and BMI) share directors from the same publisher companies. Clearly there is collusion here and not competition as is claimed.</p>
<p>In the meantime, all the songwriters get is the shaft.</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-71063</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All taxes are evil &amp; support the theiving state.&quot;

Do you have a suggestion for paying public education, policemen, public hospitals, the military, the government. the courts, etc?  

&quot;Artists don&#039;t have a &quot;right&quot; to benefit from their work. If no one wants to pay for it, sorry, don&#039;t make any more.&quot; 

Who says no one wants to pay for artist&#039;s work? As a matter of fact people do want to pay for something to get more of that something, such as art, education, museums, security, etc. ? Actually is is dis

And what if people want to pay through their government?

Now, if your governments is like most governmnets, you probably have a valid beef but the solution is to fix government, not end government. Of course the problem here is people&#039;s apathy, as most people want their government problems to just go away on their own or are waiting for the politicians and others to fix things up. The problem being that the politicians and others want to keep things as they are because they have figured out how to milk the people under the current system.

Now, if you had stated &quot;most politicians are evil&quot; you may have been right.

Just my comments.

Rafael Venegas
http://www.gvenegas.com

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All taxes are evil &#038; support the theiving state.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have a suggestion for paying public education, policemen, public hospitals, the military, the government. the courts, etc?  </p>
<p>&#8220;Artists don&#8217;t have a &#8220;right&#8221; to benefit from their work. If no one wants to pay for it, sorry, don&#8217;t make any more.&#8221; </p>
<p>Who says no one wants to pay for artist&#8217;s work? As a matter of fact people do want to pay for something to get more of that something, such as art, education, museums, security, etc. ? Actually is is dis</p>
<p>And what if people want to pay through their government?</p>
<p>Now, if your governments is like most governmnets, you probably have a valid beef but the solution is to fix government, not end government. Of course the problem here is people&#8217;s apathy, as most people want their government problems to just go away on their own or are waiting for the politicians and others to fix things up. The problem being that the politicians and others want to keep things as they are because they have figured out how to milk the people under the current system.</p>
<p>Now, if you had stated &#8220;most politicians are evil&#8221; you may have been right.</p>
<p>Just my comments.</p>
<p>Rafael Venegas<br />
<a href="http://www.gvenegas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gvenegas.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-70394</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the Czech is in the mail!!

LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Czech is in the mail!!</p>
<p>LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-70391</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck `em then. Keep sharing &amp; don&#039;t worry about the artists. I dont&#039;t think the majority of them are worrying about your plight. If no music is ever made again, there&#039;s enough to listen to for the rest of your life. People, like corporatiosn &amp; the artists, DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. We like stuff for free. Even if they call it theft &amp; try to make us feel immoral, fuck them.

They&#039;ve stolen billions. If you&#039;ve shared or downloaded a few files, you haven&#039;t stolen anything. &amp; even if you do think you have, in the general scheme of things, I doubt you&#039;re going to hell.

Unless hell is run by musicians...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck `em then. Keep sharing &#038; don&#8217;t worry about the artists. I dont&#8217;t think the majority of them are worrying about your plight. If no music is ever made again, there&#8217;s enough to listen to for the rest of your life. People, like corporatiosn &#038; the artists, DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. We like stuff for free. Even if they call it theft &#038; try to make us feel immoral, fuck them.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve stolen billions. If you&#8217;ve shared or downloaded a few files, you haven&#8217;t stolen anything. &#038; even if you do think you have, in the general scheme of things, I doubt you&#8217;re going to hell.</p>
<p>Unless hell is run by musicians&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-69563</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I swear to God, if someone tries to muck with my Internet usage, there will be hell to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I swear to God, if someone tries to muck with my Internet usage, there will be hell to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-69543</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure they paid SOMEONE.

I would love to see EXACTLY who was paid.

I doubt very seriously that will happen.

But then again .....

BMI is a songwriters &quot;group&quot;. 
They SEEM to be the RIAA of writers.
They are EXPERTS at screwing people with the law.

Mr. Venegas, a regular here has a great deal more expertise than
I in the inner workings of these shady bastards.
If he has some time, I am sure he will explain why BMI is no better
( possibly far worse ) than the RIAA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure they paid SOMEONE.</p>
<p>I would love to see EXACTLY who was paid.</p>
<p>I doubt very seriously that will happen.</p>
<p>But then again &#8230;..</p>
<p>BMI is a songwriters &#8220;group&#8221;.<br />
They SEEM to be the RIAA of writers.<br />
They are EXPERTS at screwing people with the law.</p>
<p>Mr. Venegas, a regular here has a great deal more expertise than<br />
I in the inner workings of these shady bastards.<br />
If he has some time, I am sure he will explain why BMI is no better<br />
( possibly far worse ) than the RIAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-69517</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claims BMI it BMI paid out more than $573 million in royalties to American songwriters in 2003.

Can any verify this or is it a plain lie?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claims BMI it BMI paid out more than $573 million in royalties to American songwriters in 2003.</p>
<p>Can any verify this or is it a plain lie?</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-69179</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like I am not alone with such idea.I tried to push it to Czech goverment,but they never replied.This was some months ago.Now I am waiting for new goverment to push far better changes.

Klimax</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like I am not alone with such idea.I tried to push it to Czech goverment,but they never replied.This was some months ago.Now I am waiting for new goverment to push far better changes.</p>
<p>Klimax</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-68755</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It has been stated many times, on many sites, A REASONABLE
price, and NO DRM wil get customers buying again&quot;

Let&#039;s not forget the most important - MAKE SOMETHING WORTH LISTENING TO!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It has been stated many times, on many sites, A REASONABLE<br />
price, and NO DRM wil get customers buying again&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget the most important &#8211; MAKE SOMETHING WORTH LISTENING TO!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9435/comment-page-1#comment-68663</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 04:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;P2P has ZERO effect on sales.. Zero ..Zip ..Nada
Admit it.&quot;
if you mean negative effects (aka LOST sales) you are for sure right.
but p2p has effects on sales in a positive way. it leads to more sales! :)

Regarding your other points: others also don&#039;t like this taxing idea:
http://tinyurl.com/fyjqo
(a blog entry)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;P2P has ZERO effect on sales.. Zero ..Zip ..Nada<br />
Admit it.&#8221;<br />
if you mean negative effects (aka LOST sales) you are for sure right.<br />
but p2p has effects on sales in a positive way. it leads to more sales! <img src='http://www.p2pnet.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regarding your other points: others also don&#8217;t like this taxing idea:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/fyjqo" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/fyjqo</a><br />
(a blog entry)</p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-= Disclaimer: This is just my opinion.  =-
- As such I&#039;m NOT suggesting any comment  -
- following this preface is true. In fact -
- I live in a fairy-tale and nothing I    -
-   say should be taken seriously.        -


My only problem with any levy ....

 The Artists are STILL not getting compensated.

 Remember, Artist does NOT always = Copyrightholder.
 In fact, it almost NEVER does.

 Copyright holder = Major label ... in nearly every case.

 And we all know just how well they do when it comes to
 compensating the Artist.

  All this baloney about the &quot;artist&quot; coming from the record label 
 is just that ..  Baloney.

 How many &quot;artists&quot; have been compensated with the extortion
 money collected in the lawsuits ?
 
 Are the Industry accountants willing to document just how many
  ( and EXACTLY WHICH ) &quot;artists&quot; have been compensated through EXISTING blank media  levies in Canada and US ?

 I doubt it.

 Is there a way provided to compensate artists that are outside the
 Big Media Cartels ??

 Any Levy is pure bull. It allows the Cartels to continue business
 as usual.

  It&#039;s time to change. Like it or not.

 Call me narrow minded if you like.
 But, let me ask ....
 Just how willing to compromise have the media giants shown 
 thenselves to be ?
 They don&#039;t WANT compromise, they want absolute control . period.
 They have proven time and time again they will use ANY means
 necessary to get it. Form bullying individual to paying GOVERNMENTS to bully other governments, to buying laws and lawmakers.
 There is no compromise from them.
 They won&#039;t give.
 We should&#039;t either.

 If they REALLY want compromise ...
 1. STOP SUING  .. NOW.
     Drop every case . EVERY case ..that they are pursuing.
 2. STOP USING DRM.
     It doesn&#039;t work, it&#039;s a waste of their money, NO CUSTOMER
    WANTS IT. If it can be seen or heard, it WILL be copied.
   It has been stated many times, on many sites, A REASONABLE
   price, and NO DRM wil get customers buying again.
 3. STOP LYING.
     It is obvious when you compare the most dowloaded, to
     the biggest SELLERS that there is NO LOSS OF REVENUE
    from P2P. P2P has ZERO effect on sales.. Zero ..Zip ..Nada
    Admit it.

 Maybe then, we can talk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-= Disclaimer: This is just my opinion.  =-<br />
- As such I&#8217;m NOT suggesting any comment  -<br />
- following this preface is true. In fact -<br />
- I live in a fairy-tale and nothing I    -<br />
-   say should be taken seriously.        -</p>
<p>My only problem with any levy &#8230;.</p>
<p> The Artists are STILL not getting compensated.</p>
<p> Remember, Artist does NOT always = Copyrightholder.<br />
 In fact, it almost NEVER does.</p>
<p> Copyright holder = Major label &#8230; in nearly every case.</p>
<p> And we all know just how well they do when it comes to<br />
 compensating the Artist.</p>
<p>  All this baloney about the &#8220;artist&#8221; coming from the record label<br />
 is just that ..  Baloney.</p>
<p> How many &#8220;artists&#8221; have been compensated with the extortion<br />
 money collected in the lawsuits ?</p>
<p> Are the Industry accountants willing to document just how many<br />
  ( and EXACTLY WHICH ) &#8220;artists&#8221; have been compensated through EXISTING blank media  levies in Canada and US ?</p>
<p> I doubt it.</p>
<p> Is there a way provided to compensate artists that are outside the<br />
 Big Media Cartels ??</p>
<p> Any Levy is pure bull. It allows the Cartels to continue business<br />
 as usual.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s time to change. Like it or not.</p>
<p> Call me narrow minded if you like.<br />
 But, let me ask &#8230;.<br />
 Just how willing to compromise have the media giants shown<br />
 thenselves to be ?<br />
 They don&#8217;t WANT compromise, they want absolute control . period.<br />
 They have proven time and time again they will use ANY means<br />
 necessary to get it. Form bullying individual to paying GOVERNMENTS to bully other governments, to buying laws and lawmakers.<br />
 There is no compromise from them.<br />
 They won&#8217;t give.<br />
 We should&#8217;t either.</p>
<p> If they REALLY want compromise &#8230;<br />
 1. STOP SUING  .. NOW.<br />
     Drop every case . EVERY case ..that they are pursuing.<br />
 2. STOP USING DRM.<br />
     It doesn&#8217;t work, it&#8217;s a waste of their money, NO CUSTOMER<br />
    WANTS IT. If it can be seen or heard, it WILL be copied.<br />
   It has been stated many times, on many sites, A REASONABLE<br />
   price, and NO DRM wil get customers buying again.<br />
 3. STOP LYING.<br />
     It is obvious when you compare the most dowloaded, to<br />
     the biggest SELLERS that there is NO LOSS OF REVENUE<br />
    from P2P. P2P has ZERO effect on sales.. Zero ..Zip ..Nada<br />
    Admit it.</p>
<p> Maybe then, we can talk</p>
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