Comments on: Hackers, Apple, MS music codes http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9754 p2pnet.net - reader powered Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:19:04 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9754/comment-page-1#comment-118944 Reader's Write Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:14:16 +0000 #comment-118944 There are two reasons why you don't want to rely on the analog hole for your discussions: (What is the Analog Hole? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Hole ) a) Forcing people to go Analog creates some of the quality degradation that the industry relied on to make their origionals seem more attractive. Having identical digital copies has been one of the things that differentiated digital redistribution from analog redistribution. b) Technical measures aren't only applied to content, but they are applied to devices as well. We most often talk about TPMs which involve a digital lock on content that is then tied to an access device with a compatable TPM applied to it, but there are also TPMs applied to devices that disable the devices when they detect that they are recording from a watermarked source. This is intended to close the "Analog hole", and would be effective if it were not for the failure that applies to all TPMs applied by other than the owner of the device. Any TPM will always be able to be circumvented by a technologically sophisticated device owner, as they will always be able to decode the content (first type of TPM) or disable the watermark detector (second type of TPM). There are two reasons why you don’t want to rely on the analog hole for your discussions:

(What is the Analog Hole? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_Hole )

a) Forcing people to go Analog creates some of the quality degradation that the industry relied on to make their origionals seem more attractive. Having identical digital copies has been one of the things that differentiated digital redistribution from analog redistribution.

b) Technical measures aren’t only applied to content, but they are applied to devices as well. We most often talk about TPMs which involve a digital lock on content that is then tied to an access device with a compatable TPM applied to it, but there are also TPMs applied to devices that disable the devices when they detect that they are recording from a watermarked source. This is intended to close the “Analog hole”, and would be effective if it were not for the failure that applies to all TPMs applied by other than the owner of the device. Any TPM will always be able to be circumvented by a technologically sophisticated device owner, as they will always be able to decode the content (first type of TPM) or disable the watermark detector (second type of TPM).

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/9754/comment-page-1#comment-118836 Reader's Write Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:33:22 +0000 #comment-118836 U can always just record the analog audio outputs & then write as a digital file. U hardly notice the difference if done correctly. If U can see it & hear it, U can record it. Btw, HD-DVD'll be recorded with hi-def camcorders pointed straight @ a hi-def set if the encryption isn't cracked fast. I don't know anyone who cares about it because it A) costs too much B) people are satisfied w/ their regular DVD collections & aren't interested in replacing movies again. How many times can U buy the same crap. Will they have Super Mega Deluxe Special Edition Collector's HD-DVDs in special shrink wrap??? Who gives a fuck? U can always just record the analog audio outputs & then write as a digital file. U hardly notice the difference if done correctly. If U can see it & hear it, U can record it.

Btw, HD-DVD’ll be recorded with hi-def camcorders pointed straight @ a hi-def set if the encryption isn’t cracked fast. I don’t know anyone who cares about it because it A) costs too much B) people are satisfied w/ their regular DVD collections & aren’t interested in replacing movies again. How many times can U buy the same crap. Will they have Super Mega Deluxe Special Edition Collector’s HD-DVDs in special shrink wrap??? Who gives a fuck?

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