Comments on: CRIA vs Canadian file sharers http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988 p2pnet.net - reader powered Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:11:09 -0300 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988/comment-page-1#comment-1457 Reader's Write Mon, 26 Apr 2004 07:55:50 +0000 #comment-1457 I really hope that bell and rogers do something about protecting their customers. I really hope that bell and rogers do something about protecting their customers.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988/comment-page-1#comment-971 Reader's Write Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:04:22 +0000 #comment-971 Actually, as a musician, songwriter, and an artist I have a better insight into this whole file-sharing debate that consumers don't get to see. You may think that you are hurting the record labels (and to a minor degree, you probably are) but trust me the top execs aren't really the ones who get hurt by file sharing. The top label execs won't loose their livelihoods over this. So if your arguments are, “I’m screwing those money-grubbing bastards”, you are misinformed. The people that DO get hurt by file sharing, are not only the musicians-- the ones you claim to be fans of-- but every person from the recording engineers and assistants, to the workers in the mail room of the record labels, to the factory workers at the CD pressing plant, to the minimum wage employees of the local record store. You aren't screwing the labels; you are screwing all the people who are working their collective butts off to get those discs on the store shelves. True the label top execs and the CRIA are jerks for their intimidation tactics. Yes, most artists do get the shaft from the labels, but WE DO DESERVE TO MAKE A LIVING FROM OUR MUSIC. You are aiding the labels/ CRIA to screw the bands. How is that for a kick in the pants? Those people who claim to love our music are also cheating us. Don't get me wrong, burning a copy of a disc for a friend isn't the problem. People used to do it all the time with cassettes. It is so marginal as a dent in sales, that it is laughable. It is giving it for free to thousands of people that is the issue. If you put months of your life working your butt off at your job, would you put up with someone patting you on the head saying, "I love what you have accomplished, but sorry I am not willing to pay you for your work, since I can get it for free...”? I don't think you would. It would be an infringement on your rights; slave labor. Would you live out of your suitcases with no fixed address, give up a chance of a stable family life, steady income, and put your health at risk for months straight (trust me, if you get a cold on the road, it is hard to shake)? That is what touring is really like. Forget the myths of "party all the time". The road is hard and you live like a criminal on the run. You wear out your youth, health and sanity. This is what you are asking the musicians to do for you. Would you do the same for them? Maybe to you this is just your entertainment, but this is many people's lives. You spit in the face of each of these people that put their work into each of those CDs that you didn't pay for. Maybe the record execs will always have job opportunities, if that is your argument-- but can Joe the cashier at the record store say the same? Think about it. Actually, as a musician, songwriter, and an artist I have a better insight into this whole file-sharing debate that consumers don’t get to see. You may think that you are hurting the record labels (and to a minor degree, you probably are) but trust me the top execs aren’t really the ones who get hurt by file sharing. The top label execs won’t loose their livelihoods over this. So if your arguments are, “I’m screwing those money-grubbing bastards”, you are misinformed.

The people that DO get hurt by file sharing, are not only the musicians– the ones you claim to be fans of– but every person from the recording engineers and assistants, to the workers in the mail room of the record labels, to the factory workers at the CD pressing plant, to the minimum wage employees of the local record store. You aren’t screwing the labels; you are screwing all the people who are working their collective butts off to get those discs on the store shelves.

True the label top execs and the CRIA are jerks for their intimidation tactics. Yes, most artists do get the shaft from the labels, but WE DO DESERVE TO MAKE A LIVING FROM OUR MUSIC. You are aiding the labels/ CRIA to screw the bands. How is that for a kick in the pants? Those people who claim to love our music are also cheating us.

Don’t get me wrong, burning a copy of a disc for a friend isn’t the problem. People used to do it all the time with cassettes. It is so marginal as a dent in sales, that it is laughable. It is giving it for free to thousands of people that is the issue.

If you put months of your life working your butt off at your job, would you put up with someone patting you on the head saying, “I love what you have accomplished, but sorry I am not willing to pay you for your work, since I can get it for free…”? I don’t think you would. It would be an infringement on your rights; slave labor.

Would you live out of your suitcases with no fixed address, give up a chance of a stable family life, steady income, and put your health at risk for months straight (trust me, if you get a cold on the road, it is hard to shake)? That is what touring is really like. Forget the myths of “party all the time”. The road is hard and you live like a criminal on the run. You wear out your youth, health and sanity.

This is what you are asking the musicians to do for you. Would you do the same for them?

Maybe to you this is just your entertainment, but this is many people’s lives. You spit in the face of each of these people that put their work into each of those CDs that you didn’t pay for. Maybe the record execs will always have job opportunities, if that is your argument– but can Joe the cashier at the record store say the same?

Think about it.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988/comment-page-1#comment-820 Reader's Write Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:32:16 +0000 #comment-820 You notice though it is mainly the CRIA not the artists complaining. Most artists get the shaft anyway from the record industry...I have a friend who is an artist, they told me that companies like columbia house don't pay them for thier CDs given/ordered by members. It was like every 10th album is a free one or promo which these clubs use...my point is the CRIA keeps screaming about the artists but in reality most money made by the atist is merchandise and concert sales...would seem to me that is the music were cheaper or even free, that would result in more fans, bugger draws at venues and merchandising. You notice though it is mainly the CRIA not the artists complaining. Most artists get the shaft anyway from the record industry…I have a friend who is an artist, they told me that companies like columbia house don’t pay them for thier CDs given/ordered by members. It was like every 10th album is a free one or promo which these clubs use…my point is the CRIA keeps screaming about the artists but in reality most money made by the atist is merchandise and concert sales…would seem to me that is the music were cheaper or even free, that would result in more fans, bugger draws at venues and merchandising.

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988/comment-page-1#comment-815 Reader's Write Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:16:40 +0000 #comment-815 even 99 cents is to much. the record industry are greedy bastards who should get nothing. if they win there will be other ways found to share music. all this does is keep the cria and lawyers making sacks of money even 99 cents is to much. the record industry are greedy bastards who should get nothing. if they win there will be other ways found to share music. all this does is keep the cria and lawyers making sacks of money

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988/comment-page-1#comment-808 Reader's Write Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:01:06 +0000 #comment-808 I think everyone agrees that at some point the recording industry is going to realize they a fighting a losing battle, the technology to hide your ISP address already exists, and is being used by more and more P2P users. Every downloader of music realizes that at some point we will have to renumerate the artists for their work, knowing that if we don't, there will be no more music. The question is how? and I think we as file sharers should determine how that should happen, the dramatic growth of pay per use download sites is astounding, and is probably they way we should go. As a music lover I would gladly pay 99 cents for a track I like, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $ 14.00 or $ 15.00 for an album that has 2 or 3 songs I like, and the rest crap. KT I think everyone agrees that at some point the recording industry is going to realize they a fighting a losing battle, the technology to hide your ISP address already exists, and is being used by more and more P2P users. Every downloader of music realizes that at some point we will have to renumerate the artists for their work, knowing that if we don’t, there will be no more music.
The question is how? and I think we as file sharers should determine how that should happen, the dramatic growth of pay per use download sites is astounding, and is probably they way we should go.
As a music lover I would gladly pay 99 cents for a track I like, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to pay $ 14.00 or $ 15.00 for an album that has 2 or 3 songs I like, and the rest crap.
KT

]]> By: Reader's Write http://www.p2pnet.net/story/988/comment-page-1#comment-806 Reader's Write Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:43:17 +0000 #comment-806 Trust me, they will.... unless bell and rogers get off their fat asses and argue... Trust me, they will…. unless bell and rogers get off their fat asses and argue…

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