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	<title>Comments on: Site on accused Catholic priests</title>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/990#comment-844</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2004 12:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>   [Jesus said:] If your brother sins, reprove him ... if he does not listen take along with you one or two more ... if he does not listen ... tell the Church ... if he does not listen even to the Church, let him be to you as the Gentiles and the tax-collectors (Matt 18:15-18) 

   So you see, "Anonymous Coward", there was dissension in the early Church about whether wrongdoers ought to be publicly shamed. Scriptures such as "Judge not, that you be not judged" were written, but so was the above text.

   And there is another New Testament reading to reprove before all onlookers those who practise sin, but it is in the 1st epistle to Timothy, that is probably a 2nd century forgery. 

   These days, in many formerly Christian countries, many people including churchgoers have a blurred incorrect image of Christ as "Gentle Jesus, meek and mild" turning the other cheek and spraying forgiveness around indiscriminately. On the contrary, Christ had a balanced character. He not only taught love and helped people, but he also had a firm side. He did not hide his robust dislike of supposedly "religious" people who used religion as a mask for their misdeeds -- he chased traders and moneychangers from the temple (Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15, Luke 19:45, John 2:15-16), and railed against "religious observers" who were dyed-in-the-wool hypocritical evildoers (read his speech "Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites" -- Matt. 23:13-35, Luke 11:39-52). Wouldn't you say that clergy who teach purity and continence, but seduce children, are the modern-day equivalents of the Scribes and Pharisees? -- John Massam, Perth, Western Australia.
http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/ethics/nonmarital.htm


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Jesus said:] If your brother sins, reprove him &#8230; if he does not listen take along with you one or two more &#8230; if he does not listen &#8230; tell the Church &#8230; if he does not listen even to the Church, let him be to you as the Gentiles and the tax-collectors (Matt 18:15-18) </p>
<p>   So you see, &#8220;Anonymous Coward&#8221;, there was dissension in the early Church about whether wrongdoers ought to be publicly shamed. Scriptures such as &#8220;Judge not, that you be not judged&#8221; were written, but so was the above text.</p>
<p>   And there is another New Testament reading to reprove before all onlookers those who practise sin, but it is in the 1st epistle to Timothy, that is probably a 2nd century forgery. </p>
<p>   These days, in many formerly Christian countries, many people including churchgoers have a blurred incorrect image of Christ as &#8220;Gentle Jesus, meek and mild&#8221; turning the other cheek and spraying forgiveness around indiscriminately. On the contrary, Christ had a balanced character. He not only taught love and helped people, but he also had a firm side. He did not hide his robust dislike of supposedly &#8220;religious&#8221; people who used religion as a mask for their misdeeds &#8212; he chased traders and moneychangers from the temple (Matthew 21:12, Mark 11:15, Luke 19:45, John 2:15-16), and railed against &#8220;religious observers&#8221; who were dyed-in-the-wool hypocritical evildoers (read his speech &#8220;Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites&#8221; &#8212; Matt. 23:13-35, Luke 11:39-52). Wouldn&#8217;t you say that clergy who teach purity and continence, but seduce children, are the modern-day equivalents of the Scribes and Pharisees? &#8212; John Massam, Perth, Western Australia.<br />
<a href="http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/ethics/nonmarital.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.multiline.com.au/~johnm/ethics/nonmarital.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Reader's Write</title>
		<link>http://www.p2pnet.net/story/990#comment-832</link>
		<author>Reader's Write</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If personal information is being requested about a priest's current status by an inquirer, why is it so unthinkable to ask the inquirer's name and reason for the inquiry?  It is not beyond reason that the information being sought could be for the purpose of doing harm.  That then would also be a "ploy to obtain information" for criminal purposes.   
It would not be too much of a stretch of imagination to see a time come when burglars, bigamists, embezzlers, adulterers, liars, etc. would be on a list for anyone to view.  What a world this would become if we set ourselves up to judge every other man or woman and then mete out punishment as we demand.
"Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord" has real meaning in this instance.  The vengeance seeker becomes as morally objectionable as those they are seeking to heap vengeance on.
You may label me as an anonymous coward, but your methods cause me to protect my name, lest I appear on one of your lists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If personal information is being requested about a priest&#8217;s current status by an inquirer, why is it so unthinkable to ask the inquirer&#8217;s name and reason for the inquiry?  It is not beyond reason that the information being sought could be for the purpose of doing harm.  That then would also be a &#8220;ploy to obtain information&#8221; for criminal purposes.<br />
It would not be too much of a stretch of imagination to see a time come when burglars, bigamists, embezzlers, adulterers, liars, etc. would be on a list for anyone to view.  What a world this would become if we set ourselves up to judge every other man or woman and then mete out punishment as we demand.<br />
&#8220;Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord&#8221; has real meaning in this instance.  The vengeance seeker becomes as morally objectionable as those they are seeking to heap vengeance on.<br />
You may label me as an anonymous coward, but your methods cause me to protect my name, lest I appear on one of your lists.</p>
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